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Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair
#22287358 - 09/25/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is the shocking moment a disabled man in a wheelchair was shot dead in the street by Delaware police.
Officers had been responding to a 911 call that someone had attempted to shoot themselves, when they arrived to find Jeremy McDole 'still armed with a handgun.'
Cops opened fire on McDole, who was paralyzed from the waist down after being shot by a friend aged 18, after repeated requests for him to 'drop the gun.'
McDole's mother, Phyllis, has criticized the shooting as 'unjust' during a police news conference.
The incident, which took place in a Wilmington street, Delaware on Wednesday afternoon was caught on camera by stunned witnesses who uploaded it to You Tube.
The 1-minute-and-19-second-long clip opened with an officer, armed with a shotgun, shouting for the wheelchair-bound McDole to 'show his hands.'
A shot is fired just seconds later, before more cops move in shouting at the 28-year-old: 'Show me your hands! Drop the gun! Drop the gun!'
McDole appeared to be bleeding although the footage does not make clear if this was from the officer's first shot or if he had been previously injured in the alleged suicide attempt. His handgun is not easily identifiable in the video.
He is then seen putting his hands into his pockets at which point he in gunned down in a flurry of bullets with around ten shots fired.
McDole slumps over and falls to ground, dead. Cops said a .38-caliber handgun was recovered at the scene.
Police Chief Bobby Cummings said during a news conference that none of the officers involved 'intended to take anyone's life that day.'
He said that police had told him repeatedly to put his gun down but had 'engaged him' after he went to remove the weapon from his waist.
But Mrs McDole disputed the cops' version of events and interrupted the conference to demand answers.
'He was in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the waist down. There's video showing that he didn't pull a weapon, she said.
McDole's sister Letesha Green also criticized the cops for not attempting to use non-lethal force before opening fire.
'Why couldn't you taser this man out of his wheelchair,' she asked, reported NBC Philadelphia. 'Why couldn't you use rubber bullets to get him out of the wheelchair?'
However, Cummings said he had also viewed the video and believed the four officers involved - who have all been placed on administrative duty - acted correctly.
'The officers perceived what was a threat and they responded and they engaged,' he said, adding that only a 'thorough investigation' would reveal if they should have taken a different course of action.
Wilmington Police Department's criminal investigation and professional standards unit is now investigating the incident as is the Delaware Department of Justice's Office of Civil Rights and Public Trust which investigates all police fatal shootings.
The findings will determine whether the officers involved are to be charged.
Witnesses claim that McDole may have been trying to kill himself. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248321/Police-kill-disabled-man-wheelchair-Delaware-street-responding-911-call-tried-shoot-himself.html
I'm just gonna go ahead and get it out of the way. I think it's inevitable a thread will show up about it within the next 12-24 hours.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip] 1
#22287453 - 09/25/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't kill yourself or we'll kill you!
Pew pew! 'Murica!
Jesus Christ that is insane!
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Turtletotem]
#22287457 - 09/25/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was kinda my first thought too. "We're here to make sure you don't kill yourself, because then how are we supposed to?"
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
#22287465 - 09/25/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess the cops feel bad about the totalitarian levels of prisoners in the US, so they try to solve the problem in their own, retarded way.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Turtletotem]
#22287530 - 09/25/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cops are supposed to be courageous people, yet they will not hesitate to pull the trigger first. That doesn't sound to courageous to me.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone] 1
#22287543 - 09/25/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're supposed to be loyal dogs to those in power and the metaphorical (and literal!) boot stomping on a human face.
If there are good cops, why does shit like this keep on happening? Why is there so much violence and corruption and disregard for human life with these fuckers?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone] 5
#22287545 - 09/25/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shooting someone in a wheelchair with a shotgun...
Thats a bit of the old ultraviolence.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22287550 - 09/25/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's called suicide by cop and it's nothing new.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Turtletotem]
#22287554 - 09/25/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: They're supposed to be loyal dogs to those in power and the metaphorical (and literal!) boot stomping on a human face.
If there are good cops, why does shit like this keep on happening? Why is there so much violence and corruption and disregard for human life with these fuckers?
They have a code where they cant rat each other out. look up "the code of blue" or something like that. Someone in my family is a cop and he told me this.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22287557 - 09/25/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Qman, did your avatar just do the harlem shake? or is it my comp?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone] 1
#22287560 - 09/25/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Codes are bullshit anyway, there's right and there's wrong. Codes are just there to fuck with your moral compass.
When the Dutch police force got expanded and more powerful, the region I live in went: fuck that!
The result is that we have the lowest police brutality/corruption stats in the country.
Seriously, the only difference between a thug and a police man is the uniform!
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: qman] 1
#22287581 - 09/25/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: It's called suicide by cop and it's nothing new.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: myc_check1212]
#22287636 - 09/25/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tied a noose once, but it wasn't very eager to assist me. I guess suicide by cop is a lot more efficient, you know, seeing as how the tool you use seems very willing to send you to the afterlife.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Turtletotem]
#22287644 - 09/25/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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if he just showed his hands none of this woulda happened
cops are still pussies tho
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: qman] 1
#22287695 - 09/25/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A subcategory of assisted suicide
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: D.M.T] 2
#22287714 - 09/25/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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okay
shooting a man in a wheelchair who has a gun and won't drop it... i can kinda see
shooting that man in a wheelchair with a shotgun... that is a bit extreme
shooting that man while his hands are in his pockets... them cops be trollin' man
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: D.M.T] 2
#22287732 - 09/25/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone else notice that the cops said, "drop the gun", maybe the dude was getting the gun out to drop it. I mean if I had guns pointed at me I would do what they said.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#22287740 - 09/25/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: Anyone else notice that the cops said, "drop the gun", maybe the dude was getting the gun out to drop it. I mean if I had guns pointed at me I would do what they said.
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He is then seen putting his hands into his pockets at which point he in gunned down in a flurry of bullets with around ten shots fired.
How could he be holding a gun if he put his hands in his pockets?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: micro]
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Yeah, that's what I mean. Cops said, "drop the gun", so maybe dude reaches in his pocket to get the gun and drop it. They really should've gone with, "don't move" if he didn't have anything in his hands.
I think in the U.S. Cops in their own fraternity have this cool factor, like, "how many gunfights have you been in" type shit.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#22287757 - 09/25/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: I think in the U.S. Cops in their own fraternity have this cool factor, like, "how many gunfights have you been in" type shit.
probably
they probably will count this one, too
even though it is a guy in a wheelchair
you should like... lose points for that i mean come on, what a cheap shot
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: micro]
#22287769 - 09/25/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wanna be a corrupt DEA agent. I've had my local cops tell me I should become a cop, after they arrest me/harassed me.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#22287771 - 09/25/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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KrishnaDreamer said: I think in the U.S. Cops in their own fraternity have this cool factor, like, "how many gunfights have you been in" type shit.
I can tell you they treat high speed chases like a game. Was in one once that ended in a crash and the cops were sitting there laughing about it and telling the story as if it were entertainment (not a just the facts kinda thing for the report). The ones that had been involved were telling the others that showed up in the exact same way you'd tell the story of your crazy night out to one of your friends.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
#22287811 - 09/25/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet they planted that 38 on him, and within a week they'll all be restored to active duty bragging to their friends how they rank up for getting into a gunfight with a crippled dude.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
#22287838 - 09/25/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There was this old hippy couple here with some plants, they raided the place and destroyed everything.
The disgusting part is where there was a group of these little blue men bragging about it at the bar later. Like they did something cool and heroic instead of something utterly despicable.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
#22288198 - 09/25/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Clearly Joe Biden is to blame...

I don't understand why one of the cops didn't just sneak up behind the wheelchair guy. Don't think he had rear view mirrors.
Looks like his family just hit the "sue Wilmington PD" lotto.
Fuckin' cops... . . .
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Turtletotem]
#22288203 - 09/25/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty standard. Says a lot that people now expect this kind of behavior from cops.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said: Clearly Joe Biden is to blame...

I don't understand why one of the cops didn't just sneak up behind the wheelchair guy. Don't think he had rear view mirrors.
Looks like his family just hit the "sue Wilmington PD" lotto.
Fuckin' cops... . . . 
This is exactly what I was thinking. There was absolutely no need for those cops to be gangsters. Where do they find these recruits whose problem solving skills are limited to shooting people,
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: koods] 1
#22288363 - 09/25/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said:
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vinsue said: Clearly Joe Biden is to blame...

I don't understand why one of the cops didn't just sneak up behind the wheelchair guy. Don't think he had rear view mirrors.
Looks like his family just hit the "sue Wilmington PD" lotto.
Fuckin' cops... . . . 
This is exactly what I was thinking. There was absolutely no need for those cops to be gangsters. Where do they find these recruits whose problem solving skills are limited to shooting people,
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip] 2
#22288365 - 09/25/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there really a ‘war on cops’? The data show that 2015 will likely be one of the safest years in history for police
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Is there a “war on police” in America today? Most Americans think so, and that’s understandable given all of the media coverage of that topic. A Google news search finds 32,000 results for the phrase “war on cops” and another 12,100 results for “war on police,” with sensational headlines like “America’s War on Cops Intensifies” and [NYPD Commissioner] “Bratton Warns of Tough Times Ahead Due to ‘War on Cops’.” A recent Rasmussen poll found that 58% of likely US voters answered “Yes” to the question “Is there a war on police in America today?” and only 27% disagreed. But data on police shootings in America that were reported last week by The Guardian (“2015 May Be One of the Safest Years for Law Enforcement in a Quarter Century“) tell a much different story of increasing police safety.
According to data available from the “Officer Down Memorial Page” on the annual number of non-accidental, firearm-related police fatalities, 2015 is on track to be the safest year for law enforcement in the US since 1887 (except for a slightly safer year in 2013), more than 125 years ago (see top chart above). And adjusted for the country’s growing population, the years 2013 and 2015 will be the two safest years for police in US history (see bottom chart above), measured by the annual number of firearm-related police fatalities per 1 million people.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: koods]
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: ballsalsa]
#22288433 - 09/25/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont blame the individual officers in any of these types of cases. They are TRAINED to react this way when someone has a gun on them and wont follow simple orders. How are they to know what that person plans to do with that gun, especially someone who is mentally unstable enough to want to end his own life.
Call me a cop-lover or w/e all you want but seriously, they are just doing what they are trained to do. If that man wouldve whipped out the gun and shot several people/the cops themselves everyone would be bitching about how the police werent doing their job.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
#22288630 - 09/25/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean idk why people give cops such shit when someone has a gun and they won't drop it
Wheelchair or not if you got a gun and won't drop it, fuck, you're askin for it
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
#22288674 - 09/25/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are participating in someone!s suicide. I'm really getting sick of this attitude that any one who has or may have a weapon is fair game for execution. The police don't have to act this way.
Police in this country do not serve the public. They do not protect. They are concerned about their careers and not breaking their fingernails. That guy in the wheelchair was a danger to himself and only himself. The police could have kept people away and waited for an opportunity to arrest him, or wait for him to kill himself. But that takes time. They came in forced a resolution to the situation in a matter of minutes. Just easier to kill the guy than actually put in some effort to their job.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: koods]
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You aren't the guy going up to a guy who has a loaded gun and is unresponsive and in an extremely distressed state.
It's really easy to give someone shit when you're not the guy in the field telling the guy to put the gun down and you're really not sure if he's going to try and shoot you and them himself or do nothing at all.
When someone is unresponsive, you have to make a decision and sometimes you make the wrong one.
But this is a clear sign of cop suicide. You guys act like these cops aren't people too with families at home to take care of.
If someone wants to kill themselves they can easily load a shotgun and blow their damn head off.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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I agree, but they put themselves in that situation to begin with. Maybe they need to research new tactics. I saw a vid of the cops from the UK disarming someone without using guns.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22288810 - 09/25/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The cops in my town are all militarized already. They once shot and killed a teenager who took a bb gun to school.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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shellzenone said: I agree, but they put themselves in that situation to begin with. Maybe they need to research new tactics. I saw a vid of the cops from the UK disarming someone without using guns.
While I agree that cops can often be trigger happy, if you have a gun and the police are involved... if you do not put the gun down and are unresponsive.... 99/100 times you are going to get shot. There are some cops out there in the world that may not... but they are rare and they have some serious balls to go against someone with a gun.
I'll tell you what: Much braver than I.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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shellzenone said: I agree, but they put themselves in that situation to begin with. Maybe they need to research new tactics. I saw a vid of the cops from the UK disarming someone without using guns.
"they put themselves in that situation to begin with"
No, they were called to address that situation.
"UK disarming someone without using guns"
Let them come over here and try it, they would quit after one shift.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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Uzziel said: I mean idk why people give cops such shit when someone has a gun and they won't drop it
Wheelchair or not if you got a gun and won't drop it, fuck, you're askin for it
The cop has a gun and won't drop it either. Cop's asking for it too.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip] 2
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: qman]
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No, they were called to address that situation.
Well they should have known that taking a job like that involved those kinds of risks. Its like going to war and expecting not to have to kill anyone.
Maybe one day we can all say 'fuck the police' with a little bit of dignity.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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No, they were called to address that situation.
Well they should have known that taking a job like that involved those kinds of risks. Its like going to war and expecting not to have to kill anyone.
Maybe one day we can all say 'fuck the police' with a little bit of dignity.
They fact that police know the potential dangers of the job doesn't negate the fact they shouldn't get themselves killed or injured when it isn't necessary.
Cops are NOT super heroes, they are people that wakeup everyday to get a pay check, why do you think they should sacrifice their well being by becoming a LEO?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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Uzziel said: I mean idk why people give cops such shit when someone has a gun and they won't drop it
Wheelchair or not if you got a gun and won't drop it, fuck, you're askin for it
The cop has a gun and won't drop it either. Cop's asking for it too.

Shit is true. What just because he has a badge and a uniform it's different? Bullshit. We're all animals and the world is a fucking jungle whether or not we like to think of it like that.
So your logical suggestion is that if a cop has a gun we have the right to shoot them? Therefor, advocating cop killings?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone] 1
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No, they were called to address that situation.
Well they should have known that taking a job like that involved those kinds of risks. Its like going to war and expecting not to have to kill anyone.
Maybe one day we can all say 'fuck the police' with a little bit of dignity.
So let me get this straight
Cops are suppose to be invincible badasses that can take on the world and are suppose to be 100% more amazing than the rest of us average folk who freeze the fuck up when someone does anything remotely dangerous to you.
Yeah because signing onto being a police officer means you should just forfeit your life to some asshole.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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All Im saying is that they're all bastards in the end. Enforcing bogus laws, harassing the people, and getting away with murder.
Two family members of mine are cops. they both have a mentality that they deserve respect for wearing a badge. They didn't become cops because they wanted to fight crime. They became cops because it was the next easiest job they could land. The authority they got turned them into arrogant, egotistic bullies. They are just as human as all of us, only they get away with alot more than most of us.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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You're talking shit like a 15 year old on Call of duty
if you're going to sit there and tell me you're a fucking badass who would have risked YOUR life to stop that guy... please... stand up and take the microphone
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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I love being the devil's advocate in these cop shooting video things, but this time, I don't really know how to defend this...
Go at him from behind, you a taser, flip his chair, rubber bullets, knock him out... Anything would have worked. If he CLEARLY reaches for the gun when you approach him, then you do something. But man, the dude could barely move. Running at him would take max 2 seconds at which point he wouldn't have be able to react.
And of course... the dude in the wheelchair decided to be black that day... Just to infuriate even more.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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No what I'm saying is if someone has a gun and is doing their thing and isn't hurting anyone and then a cop comes over and starts harassing that person using his gun to assert dominance then that cop is asking to be shot IMO.
I'm joining the military and I recognize me joining the infantry is essentially asking to be put in a position for someone to shoot me. Cops should recognize the same; and the people should recognize the cop's responsibility that when he signed up he signed up for being in situations of extreme high stress, violence, and murder.
If the cop's first defense or method is to pull out a gun then yeah he deserves his chance of getting shot. IMO
(bare in mind my grandfather was a cop and I've heard a lot of stories and his opinion on cops and excessive use of force, etc)
quoted so you can't remove this clunk of shit post.... wtf.......
"he's a cop so he should get shot trying to stop a guy in the middle of a road with a loaded shotgun"
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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shellzenone said: All Im saying is that they're all bastards in the end. Enforcing bogus laws, harassing the people, and getting away with murder.
Two family members of mine are cops. they both have a mentality that they deserve respect for wearing a badge. They didn't become cops because they wanted to fight crime. They became cops because it was the next easiest job they could land. The authority they got turned them into arrogant, egotistic bullies. They are just as human as all of us, only they get away with alot more than most of us.
They get the benefit of the doubt in most violent encounters as they should, these cops are going to be investigated for this incident, lets see where it ends before we make a conclusion.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: qman]
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Not only that, they go back to the station and high-five each other for beating people. They like to brag about how they got the person to incriminate themselves or how they found the poor guy's nickle sack stash. Even the "good cops". Even they turn a blind eye. Look up the 'CODE OF BLUE'. It is real. They consider themselves a 'family'. The public is not part of their family. Its us and them, much like a real gang.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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Who is they? Prove it. You got proof of all the shit you talk? You a cop? How do you know what they do behind the scenes? Every cop is the same person? All people are the same? We all think alike?
Sounds like you're just another shit talker, yawn.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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Didnt mean to hurt your feeling there... If you read my previous posts, you would know im talking about my family members who are cops.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22289124 - 09/25/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right and your two family members somehow dictate 99% of the worlds police force?
OK. NP.
Here's the microphone, we should send you out to the news and let them know you're the spokesperson for the police because you SUPPOSEDLY have two family members that are cops.
Okie dokie!
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22289137 - 09/25/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, exactly.
Two people. Two. You think you can take two people out of a sample group and somehow determine that they reflect the rest of the population?
All drug users must be addicts b/c two heroin junkies
All doctors are assholes because two of them have killed people on purpose before.
Etc...etc
List goes on and on why you're wrong
You can roll your eyes... and I can be right
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
#22289170 - 09/25/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shit, you can even buy a bumper sticker of a blue line and that lets them know you're one of them. that way they approach you differently.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: shellzenone]
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Linking to a wiki page doesn't prove anything
It doesn't even give statistics
Taken from your page LOL:
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Many police departments have their own code of conduct. They train new recruits and investigate police officers if they have a complaint from a civilian or a criminal. There are also some state laws put in place to help protect civilians and criminals from corrupted officers. If the officer is found guilty, officers can be sued by the victim for damage caused by police brutality, false arrest and imprisonment, malicious prosecution, and wrongful death.[4]
Federal laws strongly prohibit officer misconduct, including officers who follow the code by "testilying" or neglecting to report any officer who is participating in corruption. If an officer is in violation of any of the officer misconduct federal laws, only the federal government can issue a suit. The police department is only responsible for preventing corruption among officers. If an officer is convicted, they may be forced to pay high fines or be imprisoned. To be convicted, the plaintiffs must prove that the officer was following the code or participating in negligence and unlawful conduct. It is often hard to convict an officer of following the code or other forms of corruption because officers are protected by defense of immunity, which is an exemption from penalties and burdens that the law generally places on private citizens.[4]
"U.S. Supreme Court decisions have continually asserted the general rule that officers must be given the benefit of the doubt that they acted lawfully in carrying out their day-to-day duties, a position reasserted in Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 121 S. Ct. 2151, 150 L. Ed. 2d 272 (2001)."[4]
You just worked against yourself. With the upcoming new age of technology it harder than ever for police to get away with corruption.
Again, all your shit talkers on cops just make me laugh at how cute you guys are.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
#22289212 - 09/25/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats just what they put out for the public, but theres a different show behind the curtains. Im not really trying to prove a point here, just letting you in on what I know. You seem really upset though.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
#22289228 - 09/25/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha I put you guys in your place with no rebuttal on yer part except for saying "yer upset"
lmao kids these days can't even argue or troll properly
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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Isn't there an 18+ age limit for this site?
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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Uzziel said: You aren't the guy going up to a guy who has a loaded gun and is unresponsive and in an extremely distressed state.
It's really easy to give someone shit when you're not the guy in the field telling the guy to put the gun down and you're really not sure if he's going to try and shoot you and them himself or do nothing at all.
When someone is unresponsive, you have to make a decision and sometimes you make the wrong one.
But this is a clear sign of cop suicide. You guys act like these cops aren't people too with families at home to take care of.
If someone wants to kill themselves they can easily load a shotgun and blow their damn head off.
Don't confront him. Keep people away. Let time wear him down. Cops do that all the time when there are hostages.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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Linking to a wiki page doesn't prove anything
It doesn't even give statistics
Taken from your page LOL:
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Many police departments have their own code of conduct. They train new recruits and investigate police officers if they have a complaint from a civilian or a criminal. There are also some state laws put in place to help protect civilians and criminals from corrupted officers. If the officer is found guilty, officers can be sued by the victim for damage caused by police brutality, false arrest and imprisonment, malicious prosecution, and wrongful death.[4]
Federal laws strongly prohibit officer misconduct, including officers who follow the code by "testilying" or neglecting to report any officer who is participating in corruption. If an officer is in violation of any of the officer misconduct federal laws, only the federal government can issue a suit. The police department is only responsible for preventing corruption among officers. If an officer is convicted, they may be forced to pay high fines or be imprisoned. To be convicted, the plaintiffs must prove that the officer was following the code or participating in negligence and unlawful conduct. It is often hard to convict an officer of following the code or other forms of corruption because officers are protected by defense of immunity, which is an exemption from penalties and burdens that the law generally places on private citizens.[4]
"U.S. Supreme Court decisions have continually asserted the general rule that officers must be given the benefit of the doubt that they acted lawfully in carrying out their day-to-day duties, a position reasserted in Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 121 S. Ct. 2151, 150 L. Ed. 2d 272 (2001)."[4]
You just worked against yourself. With the upcoming new age of technology it harder than ever for police to get away with corruption.
Again, all your shit talkers on cops just make me laugh at how cute you guys are.
How do you not know this is how it works?
Cops protect their own - above all else. This code is enforced by punishing those who speak out about wrong doing. These cops are run out of the department through intimidation, disciplinary action and demotions. So called good cops do not survive in most American police departments because when they are forced to choose between doing the right thing or backing up up dirty cops, doing the right thing destroys their career.
The same kind of intimidation happens to prosecutors who dare attempt to prosecute bad cops - they lose the support of the police. Cops actively undermine cases.
This is the reality of how the police operate In this country.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel]
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the rest of us average folk who freeze the fuck up when someone does anything remotely dangerous to you.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: koods]
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Uzziel said: You aren't the guy going up to a guy who has a loaded gun and is unresponsive and in an extremely distressed state.
It's really easy to give someone shit when you're not the guy in the field telling the guy to put the gun down and you're really not sure if he's going to try and shoot you and them himself or do nothing at all.
When someone is unresponsive, you have to make a decision and sometimes you make the wrong one.
But this is a clear sign of cop suicide. You guys act like these cops aren't people too with families at home to take care of.
If someone wants to kill themselves they can easily load a shotgun and blow their damn head off.
Don't confront him. Keep people away. Let time wear him down. Cops do that all the time when there are hostages.
That is to protect the hostages. If I tell you to drop the gun 3 times and you don't do it you are a fucking collander.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: koods]
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Uzziel said: You aren't the guy going up to a guy who has a loaded gun and is unresponsive and in an extremely distressed state.
It's really easy to give someone shit when you're not the guy in the field telling the guy to put the gun down and you're really not sure if he's going to try and shoot you and them himself or do nothing at all.
When someone is unresponsive, you have to make a decision and sometimes you make the wrong one.
But this is a clear sign of cop suicide. You guys act like these cops aren't people too with families at home to take care of.
If someone wants to kill themselves they can easily load a shotgun and blow their damn head off.
Don't confront him. Keep people away. Let time wear him down. Cops do that all the time when there are hostages.
Leaving a guy in the middle of a road with a shotgun in a neighborhood with families is not an option.
This is not a hostage situation. This is a high tense situation with an individual that is unresponsive that has a loaded gun.
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Uzziel] 1
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The fact the guy was in a wheelchair is a dead giveaway there's something seriously wrong with him... He should not have a gun.
Kudos to the police for a job well done
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Re: Cops shoot and kill man in wheelchair [Re: Shroomslip]
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lmao kids these days can't even argue or troll properly
  You're such a bitch ass nigga.
Why do you keep saying nigga? You're a white kid in cali.
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That's just some shit they say right before they are about to bust a cap in some fool, whether they have a gun or not. It's instinct to them. Kinda like "Stop Resisting!!! Stop Resisting!!! Stop Resisting!!! As the person lays face down on the ground with their hands behind their back with 9 cops on top beating the shit out of them. Make it more justifiable later on. He was resisting don't you know. Not saying that's what happened in this instance, but that's the status quo. Seen plenty of videos where they scream drop the gun and shoot, and the dude was holding a garden hose.. or a baby.. or whatever. Yes they mistook a baby for a gun. But it's hard out there ya know.
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