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bluish green spots?
#22286870 - 09/25/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok just the other day I noticed some blue green spots on one cake and a little on another. I read that if it rubs off on a q tip its contam if it doesn't its bruising. I checked with a q tip and nothing came off so im just wandering ur guys opinion cus im a first time grower and need help really hope they are good and not contaminated
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i think you answered your own question :v
it is most likely bruising
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22286898 - 09/25/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks I can also post pictures tomorrow and u cud check them out just really trying to get good grow and not a contaminated grow lol
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I also had to go out of town for a few days and left someone to take care of them I guess the didn't fan the fc out but they did open it and mist the sides. could that be the reason for the bruising and could that have made them no good to eat or could just them opening and misting been good enough to let the co2 out?
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Bruising is almost always due to dryness. It seems like this could definitely be plausible since you're supposed to be misting the cakes and perlite directly. Misting the walls is outdated, it really won't give them the hydration they need, and tbh I've never misted a wall or fanned a chamber. Generally fanning is meant to help evaporate off the moisture you just misted onto it. Thus fanning is always done after misting. It won't exchange air. That's what the holes in the chamber are for. The air should be naturally exchanging 24/7.
Basically mist directly until they're shimmering/damp/glistening with absolutely no pooling water. Mist again when they're not shimmering/glistening
Edited by Mad Season (09/25/15 08:23 AM)
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ok thanks so do I mist the cakes even with the fruits on it the water on the mushrooms wont hurt them?
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Yeah mist them with fruits. Still water on caps can cause bacterial blotches, so make sure you fan after misting to help it evaporate off the caps if you're worried. But there should be enough fae to evaporate it for you. They get rained on outside. They can take some light misting
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Mad Season said: Bruising is almost always due to dryness.
or messing with the myc
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Misting the walls is outdated, it really won't give them the hydration they need, and tbh I've never misted a wall or fanned a chamber.
If you have an actual mister then yeah, mist it. lol
If you don't, you can use a regular spray bottle but you'd want to mist the sides.
That does give enough moisture. It evaporates and stuff :v
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Generally fanning is meant to help evaporate off the moisture you just misted onto it.
Not in fifteen seconds :|
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Thus fanning is always done after misting. It won't exchange air.
wat o.o
Of course it will, but you won't need it as much if you already have gas exchange.
If you don't, CO2 will build up and other gaseous waste and you can smell it after a while.
Fanning is supposed to get rid of that. Via gas exchange.
In your case I'd be more concerned about humidity. H2O(g) can easily get by a .2um filter.
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That's what the holes in the chamber are for. The air should be naturally exchanging 24/7.
There's more than one way to do things...
You don't need gas exchange 24/7. It can't hurt, assuming humidity stays high enough.
It was recommended to fan 3x a day but ime only once is absolutely necessary.
I was pretty ghetto about things though...
Plastic tubs, case with peat / lime, cover with plastic and fan/mist min. once a day.
It worked out really well.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22292220 - 09/26/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah the thing that is outdated is the need of humidity. All you need is a spray bottle, and the eyes to tell when it needs a misting. Our chambers these days are made for max fae. The holes in the chambers will have a constant fresh air exchange. Such a great amount of air exchange that I've not fanned a chamber for a long long time. Mushrooms can grow very easily. You said it yourself. But if you want ideal fruiting conditions, give them a co2 ppm of under 1000.
In a chamber like a bag with a filter, you can fan 10 times a day. It may get some exchanges, but won't be a constant exchange of air. That's why when I use bags i poke 20-40 holes with a pen. With holes it's something like the air gets exchanged a bunch of times every hour. The TCs these days say you'd have to fan every 5-10 minutes if you wanted to replace fae.
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Mad Season said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129
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The thing to remember(which is something i find misunderstood) is that the most important humidity you have is surface humidity, in other words it really doesn't matter if your fc has a rh of 40% or 99% as long as there is room for evaporation to take place the humidity that is important sits on the surface.
This is our goal with every fruiting chamber we use is surface humidity, with our monotubs we dial them in to achieve this, with our sgfc's we mist as needed to achieve this, with our gh's we (depending on your set up)use something like an ultrasonic humidifier as a timed mister to achieve this because once we have this we can focus on fae which is a great tool for everything your substrate wants for many reasons, the more the better
The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22105120
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This is proof that what's needed is max fae, as well as proper hydration through misting. Noobs shouldn't worry about humidity in a chamber made for max fae. They just have to keep the substrate glistening wet. Mist when it isn't glistening. No pooling water!!
Give this a read. It's the chamber everyone uses for pf tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=149248&F_Board=2&Thread=20195542&Main=20195542
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oiy...
No, humidity is not outdated.
You don't mist with a spray bottle.
Pokin holes in the bag will make it dry out.
Even if that one event was successful it doesn't mean that is what you should do.
10% is *really* extreme; that's like nosebleed conditions.
Even if the house is that humidity it doesnt mean the plastic bin is, as well.
Casing holds moisture in; if it is out in the open however it'll dry out...
Unless you are constantly misting it; you even stated it wasn't a great flush:
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Mad Season said: So I've noticed cron has done a bunch of open air work (No fruiting chamber) it really inspired me to try it out. If I didn't neglect them so much, and misted them more in my dry ass under 10% humidity climate I could have seen more.
So why would you tell people to do something that didn't even work out for yourself?
In a relatively closed system like that, chances are it won't dry out anyway.
Still, this is all stating the obvious and is really simple 9th grade Physics.
You stated fanning the thing dried it off at an extraterrestrial rate.
Now you are saying its fine and nothing drys out at 10%.
How does that make sense ???
PS - you don't need filters or constant air exchange either =P
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22292815 - 09/26/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been misting with a cheap windex bottle since the beginning. Just mist about a foot above the substrate. It works just fine man.
This is the main point of humidity: The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits.
I also didn't say anything about fanning to dry it off at extremely high rates. I just said I don't do it. This is because I don't have to. This is purely out of laziness. You can fan 10-50 times a day and be fine. But what I was saying is, it just brings dry air in, promoting quicker evaporation (pinning). Also it'll help evaporate shit off the caps. You just literally need to mist when they need it.. If you can keep up the misting to fan 50 times a day, you'll see some great shit .
The main point is you don't need humidity (just surface humidity) but you do need fae. You can easily fix stuff with no humidity by misting more. In that link, if you read further i say I misted once a day, if even. Some days I didn't mist. This was really out of laziness. They were extremely bacterial, I didn't want them in my fruiting room, and it was a complete neglect tek. I honestly wanted to see if they'd even grow in such a low humidity. Which they can. I can say if I did them clean, and misted twice a day, it'd have been much better. But you gotta wait for next time :P.
Stuff with too high humidity, and not enough fae gets bacterial, really nasty long skinny fruits, and a bad odor, like you said. Thus the chambers these days go for more fae than humidity, and rely on the user to get good at telling what the mushrooms need. (Mist when needed)
You have to understand that increasing humidity and restricting fae is really just for our convenience, so we don't have to baby them so much. But to them they'd like to constantly be damp/wet and outside. This is why outdoor grows ROCK.
Really the best chambers will aim for more fae. Although I may have implied that humidity isn't needed, it'll make our lives easier by not having to mist as much.
So in terms of indoor cultivation, it's best to have a balance between the two
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Mad Season said: I've been misting with a cheap windex bottle since the beginning. Just mist about a foot above the substrate. It works just fine man.
You are contradicting yourself:
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Mad Season said: Still water on caps can cause bacterial blotches, so make sure you fan after misting to help it evaporate off the caps if you're worried. But there should be enough fae to evaporate it for you. They get rained on outside. They can take some light misting 
light misting is not a foot away with a spray bottlle
that isn't even misting
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Mad Season said: Generally fanning is meant to help evaporate off the moisture you just misted onto it.
So which one is it?
Also, if you are getting still water on the caps shooting them with a spray bottle that is doing it wrong.
Seeing how you claim you should have misted more to bring the humidity up, that's probably the last thing you want :v But then in your post you say humidity doesn't matter. Then you go on explaining why you should have good humidity...
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It won't exchange air.
COME ON
Think McFly, think!!!
Wow, twice in the same post!
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This is the main point of humidity: The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple
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The main point is you don't need humidity

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Stuff with too high humidity, and not enough fae gets bacterial, really nasty long skinny fruits, and a bad odor, like you said. Thus the chambers these days go for more fae than humidity, and rely on the user to get good at telling what the mushrooms need.
uhh... no
if so you are doing it wrong
the bad odor i was describing is when you dont fan it
so, the obvious sollution is to fan it
or air exchange, whatever, as long as gases can dissipate
Honestly, this is just getting silly.
If it weren't for all the blantant contradictions I'd almost think you are serious :v
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22292980 - 09/26/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugh I'm really trying hard to explain it to you. That humidity is for our convenience. Not the mushrooms. If you wanted ideal fruits you'd aim for more fae than humidity, and misted to compensate. And yeah misting a foot away to make them glisten with no pooling water is still misting.... in a high fae chamber there won't be still water on caps. It'd evaporate so quickly you don't even need to fan. Get it yet? I normally only have to do like 2-3 spurts anyways. That's why I said mist it lightly.
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You have to understand that increasing humidity and restricting fae is really just for our convenience, so we don't have to baby them so much. But to them they'd like to constantly be damp/wet and outside. This is why outdoor grows ROCK.
Really the best chambers will aim for more fae. Although I may have implied that humidity isn't needed, it'll make our lives easier by not having to mist as much.
So in terms of indoor cultivation, it's best to have a balance between the two
I'd like to add to it by saying that since it's a pretty fine line for a proper balance, you'd still aim for more fae and mist to compensate.
With a sgfc, all that a noob has to worry about is to mist when needed
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Lol... Yes everyone mist the cakes directly these days...
I too remember the days of "only mist the sides noob!" It seems things have changed since I got back on here.
Micro have you checked out the shotgun fruiting chambers? These have literally knocked out the cobweb mold problems my friend was having with his aquarium grows.
Once he switched to sgfc he hasn't had one cobweb casing yet! Now he has 5 aquariums 250 gallons a piece he doesn't know what to do with 
He seems a bit mad at me for helping him... Oh well what can you do?
The "boomery" actually has much more quality information now than I remember. Not so many trolls and/or inaccurate information!
I like where it has gone
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: confuzzed]
#22293879 - 09/26/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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confuzzed said: Lol... Yes everyone mist the cakes directly these days...
I too remember the days of "only mist the sides noob!" It seems things have changed since I got back on here.
With a spray bottle? Do you know what misting means?
I hate to be a broken record so please see my other posts.
I already went into this. Misting them is fine.
Spray bottle directly into it, not so much.
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Micro have you checked out the shotgun fruiting chambers? These have literally knocked out the cobweb mold problems my friend was having with his aquarium grows.
Nope, but glad your friend solved his problems :v
I was always a peat and lime type of guy, then again it grows a hell of a lot more so why not.
Why would I use a fruiting chamber o.O?
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Once he switched to sgfc he hasn't had one cobweb casing yet! Now he has 5 aquariums 250 gallons a piece he doesn't know what to do with 
... that's nice *yawn*
I haven't gotten cobweb ever, except maybe when I was starting out.
My roommate did though.
Upon closer inspection there was organic material in the peat.
There is an explanation for everything.
Well, exccept why you'd buy a 250 gallon aquarium...
I assume you mean fish aquarium.
I mean sure, or take that same money and buy enough plastic shit to grow 10x that much.
Put the rest in the bank 
Also, I assume with an aquarium you are still growing cakes. :|
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He seems a bit mad at me for helping him... Oh well what can you do?
Get online and post about it on a bulletin board because I think people will be impressed?
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The "boomery" actually has much more quality information now than I remember. Not so many trolls and/or inaccurate information!
I like where it has gone 
I haven't seen any so please, enlighten me.
I mean, I see plenty of smart people here but there are certain forums that make me wanna gag.
I just don't like conjecture maqurading as fact.
Especially from people who are still using jars and fruiting chambers, PF style :V
PS - just to add because I don't want to sound like a *complete* ass...
re: the fruiting chamber you were telling me about
it is a box that helps keep moisture in. it isnt rocket science
so it isn't a lack of curiosity on my part; i just don't care because it wouldn't do anything for me
cheap plastic bin and saran wrap works fine
if you want to spend time and money to come up with something fancier, by all means
i used to grow a lot though; it would have been a giant pain in the ass back then
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22293923 - 09/26/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not about impressing. It's about learning!
Forgive me, you must already know everything, and do things perfectly.... Good luck to you!
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: confuzzed]
#22293936 - 09/26/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i know people, too
this isn't trying to learn:
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He seems a bit mad at me for helping him... Oh well what can you do?
oh, hahaha! i get it :|
and i don't know everything but a lot of the stuff in this thread makes absolutely no sense
like fanning doesn't help gas exchange
however, it causes loss of water vapour
when water vapour is... wait - o my god! it's a gas
wtf really?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22293999 - 09/26/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Well, we do not fan for FAE, the chamber usually gets that constantly from the holes we drill..so your question is invalid.
You would have to fan multiple times per hour....and even then the chamber would not function correctly.
Drill 1/4" holes every 2" on all 6 sides in a grid pattern according to the tek and also mist/fan the chamber manually.
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PussyFart said: We do not fan for FAE, so not sure what you mean.....the chamber should be getting constant FAE regardless.....
What kind of FC do you have?
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Not_A_Hobo said: cronicr: are you saying i need more air based on the 7-day progress? I am fanning 2-3 times a day. What should i increase this to?
You need more FAE, not fanning. Your terrarium may not be built to spec or fine grade perlite is clogging some holes or it's not in a place where it can receive adequate air movement.
we dopn't use fanning for fae , this should be a constant and passive motion whic is why we have adjustable holes in mono's and use sgfc's
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so i wouldn't have to fan and mist it every day.
Air exchange is the number one pinning trigger. Humidity is farther down the list. Perhaps the number 2 pinning trigger is a loss of moisture from the substrate. If you try to avoid misting by constantly pumping in wet air, you don't have a loss of moisture from the substrate and performance is poor.
You want constant air exchange, and then as the cake or other substrate dries out, you mist to replace the lost moisture. This dry-wet cycle is a MAJOR pinning trigger. There is no automated system that can replace your eyeballs and mister. I'm an electrical engineer by profession with a specialty in automation, so believe me when I say if the whole process could be automated, I'd have done it years ago. RR
All TCs. You can't replace fae with fanning! But fae can replace fanning. Like I said, fanning these days is only used to help promote evaporation. It might exchange the air once. But it'll get saturated with co2 pretty damn fast. You want it to be exchanged constantly.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294141 - 09/26/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont think you understand
i already did the stuff you claim doesn't work
and it worked out great
i don't care about quotes, i would like to see this stuff backed up
like stamets saying he was wrong about temperature
why does everyone know that but nobody can even tell me where to find it
sorry i don't blindly follow other people, it ain't my style
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294150 - 09/26/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno how many people are willing to heat a room past what's comfortable just to prove you wrong, or stop misting or whatever you think people shouldn't do in this particular thread. It's always something though. You never asked stamets to prove anything to you.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294155 - 09/26/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, reading it before commenting would be nice
seeing how you don't even know what's going on :v
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294162 - 09/26/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know I agree with everything Mad has said and that you're disagreeing with him apparently on those points, that's enough context for me. Pretty sure it was about fanning not being FAE or something at this point. Mostly seems like nitpicking. Shit about spray bottles not being mist, etc.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22294218 - 09/26/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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see, you don't read
you follow others blindly on faith
which is fine if you don't want to think for yourself
but if people argue with me and can't back it up aside from "but he saaid"
of course i'm not going to consider that, why should i
that's not even an argument
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294227 - 09/26/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're doing the same thing dude. I'm agreeing with someone because their results and conclusions match my own. That strikes me as pretty normal. You can paint me blind and stupid all you like but you're just trying to rationalize and make it convenient not to take anything said seriously.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294237 - 09/26/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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holy christ
really?
read the fucking thread
you are wasting my time
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294259 - 09/26/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously what do you want to talk about? I've read the thread. My point is that you keep using that as reason to bullshit around and not address the point. You're so focused on whether I've read the thread you don't care to actually defend your argument.
Are you we still on "fanning is a form of FAE"? It exchanges the air one time. That could happen on its own in like 5-10 minutes tops. What else is there?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294298 - 09/26/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure the problems are misting with a spray bottle, and that humidity is really no where near as important as fae. You just want 99% surface hydration through misting (which can be done with a spray bottle)
I'm seriously sorry op. The poor guy will come check this thread and have to read a novel
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294436 - 09/26/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy crap what a mess here. OP here is the TL; DR of the good info for you.
Mist cakes, mushrooms and fruits. Misting plastic walls is pointless.
FAE is very important. Fanning provides FAE for a couple minutes before the CO2 builds back up. Fanning is simply to change out the saturated air so evaporation can take place.
Fanning is not needed in a chamber meant for lots of FAE. I have not fanned a SGFC or monotub in years. Waste of time.
RH is not needed to be super high throughout the chamber, 60% is more than enough. RH needs to be really high in the microclimate at the substrate surface. The air about 2mm above is where there needs to be a lot of humidity. This is provided by casing or the verm you rolled your cakes in. We ensure it doesn't dry out by misting.
FYI: I don't give a crap what Paul Stamets or RR or Guzman, or John Holiday or PF have to say on the subject. None of those people have grown a cube in 20 years. Feel free to disregard anything I have to say as well. Not like I have any need to prove anything.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Inocuole said: Are you we still on "fanning is a form of FAE"? It exchanges the air one time. That could happen on its own in like 5-10 minutes tops. What else is there?
I said gas exchange.
Next time you want to interject, read what is going on first.
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Pastywhyte said: Mist cakes, mushrooms and fruits. Misting plastic walls is pointless.
Wow. You, too.
You missed my entire point and it was only directed toward people with cheap spray bottles who can't afford misters. Also "filtered air exchange" is good but not necessary. And yes, fanning once a day DOES work. Trust me, go back to posts 10+ years ago. It worked then and it would work now.
Anyone who says opening the thing up and fanning it doesn't cause gas exchange needs to get their head examined :v
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RH is not needed to be super high throughout the chamber, 60% is more than enough. RH needs to be really high in the microclimate at the substrate surface. The air about 2mm above is where there needs to be a lot of humidity. This is provided by casing or the verm you rolled your cakes in. We ensure it doesn't dry out by misting.
FYI: I don't give a crap what Paul Stamets or RR or Guzman, or John Holiday or PF have to say on the subject. None of those people have grown a cube in 20 years. Feel free to disregard anything I have to say as well. Not like I have any need to prove anything.
Yeah, I kind of feel the same except:
a.) the species hasn't changed since then, and b.) they actually hold patents and have been published in journals, unlike the people here
But -
I would tend to agree with you if we are talking about casing.
It's what I used to do, so empirically I know it worked.
I've seen cakes dry out all the time though; I'd be careful of too low of humidity.
Not sure if 60% would fall into that category but when people started talking about 10%
Well, obviously the casing was holding in moisture.
Diffusion hasn't changed that much either, btw :V
... and I *don't* feel bad; the question was simple and he got the answer like, back on the first page.
notice how he has't come back here?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22298248 - 09/27/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use a cheap spray bottle. I never ever mist just the walls. Plastic doesn't need water, the mushrooms do. Large droplets will not abort the fruits if you have good FAE. They get rained on in nature FFS 
FAE cannot be replaced by gas exchange if you want healthy fruits. Most pics from ten years ago show shitty pinsets and stringy fruits. Poor BE all around. I like to think we have improved in the last decade.
BTW the term fanning is not describing gas exchange. Its momentary fresh air. Momentary as in just enough to allow for evaporation to continue if the air inside was saturated and evaporation stopped. CO2 will build quick after you close it back up. So unless you fan twice an hour, its not FAE. Gas exchange is how we describe the slow diffusion of gasses through a filter. FAE is air moving into a chamber at a rate many many times that. Perhaps if you used current nomenclature you might not sound so ill informed.
Cakes won't dry out if you mist them regularly and ensure the perlite is wet. I have seen many more people dry their cakes out by fanning the hell outta them in an attempt to give them manual FAE. Funny enough in that scenario the cakes are neither enjoying a humid environment or enough fresh air.
The species is the same as it was 20 years ago true. But our understanding of it is far better. Most people grow in monotubs now. Those were not even invented until 2005.
Also you are the person cluttering up the thread with bad info. I can only hope the OP didn't take the advice you were giving. You may have been growing for 100 years but you don't know jack shit about mushrooms from what I can tell. Tenure by no means equates skill or knowledge.
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It's been 2 days and the guy still doesn't think I found the time to read the fucking thread. I literally mentioned the most recent topics he mentioned before he went off and started whining about everybody needing to prove stamets wrong.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22298275 - 09/27/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how we should do things the way they were done 20 years ago. Shit while I'm at it I should dig out a flip phone and dust off my vcr
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Pastywhyte said: The species is the same as it was 20 years ago true. But our understanding of it is far better. Most people grow in monotubs now. Those were not even invented until 2005.
Actually, yes they were.
Go through my old posts. I was doing that back in 2002/2003.
(you would have to go to mycotopia and look for microfile for 2002)
I came up with other things as well. Maybe those will catch on eventually.
I also haven't seen anything that has really impressed me that much.
I had good flushes and hardly any problems (excluding stuff my roommate ran into).
I think it's safe to assume I was doing *something* right.
But -
I'll just let people here stay in their own little world since they are so adamant about it :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
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micro, if you would like to accelerate the information diffusion process (as a change agent) you would need to gain the support of the opinion leaders of the Shroomery community. The opinion leaders would be the moderators and trusted cultivators that frequent the cultivation forums.
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Inocuole said: It's been 2 days and the guy still doesn't think I found the time to read the fucking thread. I literally mentioned the most recent topics he mentioned before he went off and started whining about everybody needing to prove stamets wrong.
I didn't say anything about today.
I said next time you interject, which was.. yesterday?
GAWSH :V
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Pastywhyte said: I like how we should do things the way they were done 20 years ago. Shit while I'm at it I should dig out a flip phone and dust off my vcr 
You know, you'd have a point if growing shrooms was like, high-tech :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Don't come in here using terms like opinion leaders. We have people who are listening to the mushrooms and what they want, and moving forward with that knowledge, and people who want to serve themselves and their egos, and they hold onto whatever knowledge makes them feel good.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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blackdust said: micro, if you would like to accelerate the information diffusion process (as a change agent) you would need to gain the support of the opinion leaders of the Shroomery community. The opinion leaders would be the moderators and trusted cultivators that frequent the cultivation forums.

Don't care enough to. And no.
I only post here because a) I think it might help someone and b) otherwise I would have to be reading this bioinformatics shit to get ready for my interview on Tuesday. Which I really should do. I like to procrasticate though 
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Inocuole said: We have people who are listening to the mushrooms and what they want
Is that anything like listening to the flower people?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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Micro I did go through your posts. I did not find a single pic of a monotub by you period. In fact I did not find a pic of mushrooms grown by you either. Please provide me a link, so that I can readjust my entire growing paradigm to bring my yields up to par with yours.
A single pic and link of a mono you did in 2003 would be not only excellent, it would basicly make Ohmatic a liar for claiming that he developed it (with the help of Gretchen).
At any rate here are some tubs I did while misting them with a cheap mister I got from the dollar store. Big drops and all. I also made sure not to waste any time on fanning them. Not once. Cause pics are convincing. Show me better pinsets and fatter stipes.
Albino Penis Envy

Penis Envy
 
Colombian Rust Spore

Fiji

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im sorry whyte buy i have to ever time a TC gets so frustrated that they post a wall of amazing shrooms i love it my fav are the Second Generation (should have cloned/slanted them man)
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Pretty sure he does keep the second gen around.
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My experience albiet not as extensive as some, has proven to me that mushrooms do indeed need fresh air to thrive. Elevated CO2 levels produced poor pinsets, stringy mushrooms and a shitty yield. When I started with the shroomery I was skeptical that filling a tub with a bunch of holes could be a good idea. I was a big believer in things like PMPs, drip shields, not misting fruits, colonizing in darkness, incubation, and many other things that I shake my head at today.
I was taught to grow by a friend who swore by all of these methods. I then read all of the bad outdated info on the shroomerys main page, not realizing that the good stuff was in the forums. By the time I made it onto the boards I was embarrassed with how crappy my grows looked compared to what people were doing. Sure I had clean cultures and was rocking agar, but I had no idea how to fruit properly. When I think back to my results where I was misting walls and fanning tubs with no holes I shudder.
Yes people can produce fruits with just a little GE. I can toss a sub in the trash and see fruits. Not the point.
Yes the second gen was cloned and slanted. I am actually expanding for another go at it right now.
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Yes the second gen was cloned and slanted. I am actually expanding for another go at it right now.
i just love how they look dense, uniform, and fucking beautiful
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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They are also potent as hell. 2.5 grams puts me on the damn moon
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Pastywhyte said: A single pic and link of a mono you did in 2003 would be not only excellent, it would basicly make Ohmatic a liar for claiming that he developed it (with the help of Gretchen).
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
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Pastywhyte said: Micro I did go through your posts. I did not find a single pic of a monotub by you period. In fact I did not find a pic of mushrooms grown by you either. Please provide me a link, so that I can readjust my entire growing paradigm to bring my yields up to par with yours.
You won't find any because I never took pictures of myself doing illegal things 
I know I mentioned it at last several hundred times tho.
Look, my goal here isn't to have a pissing contest. I already know I'm right.
Besides, I was never impressed with things like sample bias :V
If someone posts utter nonsense I'm gonna call them out on it.
I won't beat a dead horse though.
When I move into my new place I can try some stuff and take pics.
I don't care as much these days and I wouldn't be growing a shitload this time.
It would be on a micro scale (heh) just to show you how it's done ;3
Oh, PS - I'm sure whoever it was *did* re-invent it.
I mean, come on. Put casing in big plastic bin.
It aint rocket science.
(and mind you I just covered them in plastic. i'm lazy and that was enough)
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22301377 - 09/28/15 04:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Posts utter nonsense? Oh like mist the walls cause cubes can't handle raindrops Or how you covered the cubes in plastic cause your lazy? Yeah cause putting a lid on a tub is hard work 
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are you really unable to think of variables that could cause this ???
you are dismissing potentially good information for some people because you *assume* all conditions are the same
they are not, and so that we don't make an ass out of you and me...
a. if you are growing at lower temperatures water won't evaporate as quickly, causing whatever you are fruiting in to dry out (have you ever seen stuff posted on here that was obv. too dry? it was clearly stated in this thread and another that humidity doesn't matter. sorry, i'm calling bs)
b. elevation can cause this as well (higher elevations where the pressure is lower would result in a higher rate of diffusion)
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The coefficient of diffusion is the product of mean velocity and mean free path, with a prefactor that can be temperature dependent. The mean velocity depends only on temperature; the mean free path is inversely proportional to the density of the gas. Thus, a thinner atmosphere has a higher diffusivity.
http://thesis.library.caltech.edu/1586/11/10Chapter2.pdf
c. both items above would obviously play a role in "evaporating the water from the fruitbodies" when you and others claim it will just evaporate on its own. i don't know where you live, don't particularly care, but how can you come to that conclusion when you are dealing with a stochastic system such as this ??? don't bother, the question was rhetorical, obviously it will vary that's why weather people talk about stuff like barometric pressure or "gee, it's really f'ing dry" :v
d. all those were pics of casings, which as i said before don't matter as much with the rH
e. saying that fanning doesn't involve gas exchange is both ignorant and silly. while i'm not going to say which is better, a filter or fanning, they obviously both work. and despite whatever you were looking at people have been doing the latter successfully for quite some time. if i had to pick one, i would probably say filters but I could also make the argument it could help h2o(g) to escape, especiallly with lower pressure and higer temperature. ime, it wasn't a huge problem with cased mycelium since the whole raison d'etre of casing is to keep moisture in. and yes i was lazy and i was also successful. not sure why i missed the joke, maybe because i think a few steps ahead but success is a good thing in my book. if i grow again it would be on a much smaller scale and no, silly -- i wasn't talking about the lid, it wasn't airtight anyway hence the plastic. i just didn't feel like weaseling filteration into 20-30 large plasti tubs because it is a pain in the ass :v
f. saying temperature x is better than teperature y is also ignoring unknown variables, treating them as invariants. different contaminants have different optimal temperatures and you won't have the same spores in one geographical region to the next
okay i could keep going but i think you get the point
also, enough childish ad homiem nonsense; be a man and attack the argument
i hope i haven't gotten to you that much because i honestly don't care one way or the other :v
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22301494 - 09/28/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm this is getting retarded. If a SGFC gets dry hydrate the perilite and mist the substrate and fruits to aid in replacing lost moisture. I use a cheap mister to do this.
Second I know all about growing at elevation and in cooler temps, winters here get down to -40. The inside of my house gets to be 1% RH in winter. It ain't fun for me. I help my fruits out by using a mister. I mist them directly. The tub walls do just fine without being misted.
Third it looks like you're not listening. Given that you can't even use proper terms to describe anything I'm not surprised. I posted pics of monotubs with bulk substrates in them. Some were cased. Some were uncased. calling something "a casing" is not describing anything with any accuracy. I also posted pics of trays done in a SGFC. Some of them were cased. Some were not. I also used a mister on them. Again it was a cheap one from a dollar store.
No i didn't include pics of cakes, I don't have many of them. But its all the same. Substrates that are getting dry need to be misted. They still need to breathe fresh air more than 5 times a day as well. Otherwise your pinset is poor and the fruits suffer.
No one is saying fanning doesn't change out the built up CO2. No one. But the CO2 will build up again quickly. I personally don't have time to exchange the gas in any chamber I run 48 times a day round the clock to keep CO2 concentration at acceptable levels. Go tell an oyster farmer that he can grow oysters in a sealed tub and just fan it to achieve gas exchange. Then take note of his expression.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22301515 - 09/28/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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more ad hominem nonsense, also you said you used a spray bottle, yada, yada, whatever
you are right though in that there are like... two jars there. wow
The Reason Spraying Water on Primordia Causes Aborts
Actually, the proper term is "mounds" which explaims why I never found anything in Pubmed before. It is genetic, and it is also caused by WATER via hydrophobins.
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An abnormal growth form called mound has been hypothesized to be a neoplasm in the filamentous fungus Schizophyllum commune. An alternative hypothesis is that mounds represent some unusual developmental form in the fruiting body morphogenetic pathway. Hydrophobin proteins have been found in fruiting bodies where they line the surface of gas exchange pores and function to keep the pores hydrophobic. To further determine possible relationships between mounds and fruiting bodies, mound tissue was examined for gas exchange pores and the presence of hydrophobins. Cryoscanning electron microscopic images revealed the presence of channels in mound tissue and presumptive hydrophobin rodlets similar to the air channels in fruiting bodies. Hydrophobin gene expression was also measured in mound tissue using quantitative real-time PCR and showed both monokaryotic and dikaryotic mound tissue exhibited high expression of the dikaryotic specific Sc4 hydrophobin gene. In contrast, Sc4 hydrophobin expression was barely detectable in monokaryotic fruiting bodies. The expression of Sc4 hydrophobin genes in mounds suggests mound development uses this aspect of the dikaryotic fruiting developmental pathway.
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Two monokaryons of Schizophyllum commune can form a fertile dikaryon when the mating-type genes differ. Monokaryons form sterile aerial hyphae, while dikaryons also form fruiting bodies that function in sexual reproduction. The SC3 hydrophobin gene is expressed both in monokaryons and in dikaryons. The SC4 hydrophobin is dikaryon specific. In the monokaryon, SC3 lowers the water surface tension, coats aerial hyphae with a hydrophobic layer and mediates attachment of hyphae to hydrophobic surfaces. The SC4 protein lines gas channels within fruiting bodies with a hydrophobic membrane. Using gene disruptions, in this study, we show that in dikaryons SC3 fulfils the same roles as in monokaryons. SC4, on the other hand, has a role within fruiting bodies. In contrast to gas channels in fruiting bodies of the wild type, those of a DeltaSC4 strain easily filled with water. Thus, SC4 prevents gas channels filling with water under wet conditions, probably serving uninterrupted gas exchange. Other dikaryon-specific hydrophobin genes, SC1 and SC6, apparently do not substitute for the SC4 gene. In addition, by expressing the SC4 gene behind the SC3 promoter in a DeltaSC3 monokaryon, it was shown that SC4 cannot fully substitute for SC3, indicating that both hydrophobins evolved to fulfil specific functions.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18093852
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10760177
Wild types and those cultivated differ in mound production (not in the quotes but in case you were curious:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC388776/?page=1
See, that is an examle of what's NOT an ad-hominem argument.
Unless you're going to start arguing with journal articles; that wouldn't surprise me
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Pastywhyte said: Umm this is getting retarded. If a SGFC gets dry hydrate the perilite and mist the substrate and fruits to aid in replacing lost moisture. I use a cheap mister to do this.
ahem... ???
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Pastywhyte said: I use a cheap spray bottle.
That was this post by the way:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22298248#22298248
Not like I said right before that I was talking about about someone who only had a cheap spray bottle.
Come on, dude. That's just low :v
At least admit when you are wrong.
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Second I know all about growing at elevation and in cooler temps, winters here get down to -40. The inside of my house gets to be 1% RH in winter. It ain't fun for me. I help my fruits out by using a mister. I mist them directly. The tub walls do just fine without being misted.
You missed the boat.
The boat left and you weren't on it.
The point was in a stochastic system like this you can't assume the conditions for you are the same as the onditions for everyone else. I mean, you live in Canada. I'm sure the microbial ecosystem there is pretty f'ing far from that in idunno, FLORIDA
I'm not enumerating everything because I can't. That was the entire point.
That's why it is called a stochastic system. gg
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Third it looks like you're not listening. Given that you can't even use proper terms to describe anything I'm not surprised. I posted pics of monotubs with bulk substrates in them. Some were cased. Some were uncased. calling something "a casing" is not describing anything with any accuracy. I also posted pics of trays done in a SGFC. Some of them were cased. Some were not. I also used a mister on them. Again it was a cheap one from a dollar store.
ad hominem crap, repeating what you already said...
i won't bother to retort but i thought id point it out
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No i didn't include pics of cakes, I don't have many of them. But its all the same. Substrates that are getting dry need to be misted. They still need to breathe fresh air more than 5 times a day as well. Otherwise your pinset is poor and the fruits suffer.
Dude. We agree then.
Like I said, it was stated IN THIS THREAD that humidity doesn't matter.
You weren't the one that said it anyway.
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No one is saying fanning doesn't change out the built up CO2. No one. But the CO2 will build up again quickly. I personally don't have time to exchange the gas in any chamber I run 48 times a day round the clock to keep CO2 concentration at acceptable levels. Go tell an oyster farmer that he can grow oysters in a sealed tub and just fan it to achieve gas exchange. Then take note of his expression.
uhh... what?
dude, nobody does that
come on! you can do better
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22301569 - 09/28/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would i argue with an article that just proved my point? Albeit a different species and one I never hope to see in my grows, it does illustrate the importance of not saturating the substrate. FAE is a darn good way to prevent that. Thank you
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Wow. You have actually resorted to irrationality.
I even bolded / made the important parts red so it would be easier to digest.
If you read it a bit more carefully you'll notice it is triggerd by WATER not gas.
But you use a mister, which is fine to spray directly on the primordia.
The droplets are small enough.
I used to use a SPRAY BOTTLE which is why I didn't spray the primordia.
We had a mister.. It was my roommate's though.
I didn't really care, I tend to get away with a lot.
It's probably working in molbio, you get used to certain things.
Oh, if you still dont understand what you are reading there I can try to spoon feed it more later.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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So just how fine does the mist need to be? Raindrops too big? How about a shower head? What about pouring water out of a pitcher. I have hosed subs and pins down and even dunked them under pressure for 24 hours. Would that have made them abort?
Tell you what I'm gonna do. I got a small test jar of sub pinning right now. You tell me how big a droplet to hit them with and I will do it, with time stamp, make a thread out of it, and we can see what happens. Then we can stop jacking this poor thread and maybe have some fun and learn something in the process. I like hands on
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22301698 - 09/28/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aw c'mon dust, this kinda thing should be right up your alley. Hell I think I'm gonna do it anyway just for the hell of it. Make a thread "will this abort?" Fill it up to the brim and take some pics. We can put some prints down on the outcome, should be fun
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Pastywhyte said: So just how fine does the mist need to be? Raindrops too big? How about a shower head? What about pouring water out of a pitcher. I have hosed subs and pins down and even dunked them under pressure for 24 hours. Would that have made them abort?
Tell you what I'm gonna do. I got a small test jar of sub pinning right now. You tell me how big a droplet to hit them with and I will do it, with time stamp, make a thread out of it, and we can see what happens. Then we can stop jacking this poor thread and maybe have some fun and learn something in the process. I like hands on 
I'm sure rain isn't good for it.
I mean, have you EVER seen mushrooms in the wild grow like in those pics? :V
I would try it with one that's about to pin, so you are accurately replicating spraying it every day. From what I am reading, it shouldn't matter if you don't while it hasn't fruited yet just sometime before.
Actually, if it were me I'd do a bunch. If you look at the numbers in the paper it wasn't across the board. bet if you did 5 and 2 for the control it would be somewhere around the p value needed but I haven't worked it out. Maybe I'll crunch the numbers tonight.
I'd help but I can't do it here. I'll be moving come nov 1.
edit: that doesn't make any sense
i'm in a rush and shouldn't be typing
it should be enough for a somewhat meaningful p value
like, enough i would think twice
it's evidence anyway and possibly wasting a shitload of cakes is rather pointless
it's not getting submitted to Nature, after all :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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Okay so your suggesting what, that misting a staturated sub that hasn't pinned is going to have problems pinning? Of course no one has suggested otherwise. The advice is or should be to mist dry cakes until they glisten. Do not mist again until all the water from the previous mist has evaporated. This is to ensure the cakes do not become saturated leading to them becoming matted and the pin platform ruined. Sorry but if that was the crux of your argument then I am at a real loss. Anyone who suggests misting an already moist substrate deserves a facepalm.
At that rate what you are describing is not the aborting of pins but rather the matting of the substrate ruining knot formation and the opportunity for knots to form or primordia to develop properly. Some used to erroniously call it overlay. That can happen if there is an insufficient microclimate and RH is too low. That is why we roll the cakes in verm before we mist them.
Maybe we are all arguing for the same thing but we are not speaking the same language. Seems to be a disconnect with the jargon. At any rate when I get home I am gonna dump a glass of water in my jar and photograph it. Lots of knots etc are forming In addition to the pins so we can see just how bad it bites it. It had been already misted several times but this will be pushing it. A link will be posted here. Should be good for lulz 
This is why I am a bitch about proper terminology. Cause when we just call shit whatever it can lead to real confusion.
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I'd also like to point out that although mushrooms can grow in 0 humidity, their caps crack to shit. It's obviously not ideal, just like too much humidity... but I'd much prefer cracked caps to the mountain of problems high humidity comes with. You can just mist when needed in low humidity. In high humidity with no fae, all you can do is cry (or poke holes).
I'd also like to point you to this thread on outdoors with under 10% humidity. Have you seen bigger mushrooms from indoors? Outdoors is EPIC. Rain ROCKS. Outside they have no spawn. The nutrients are much lower. That's why nature doesn't produce stuff like that. You should see what high spawn and outside looks like..
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The main point is you will be shocked how much they can take. These experiments, and my experience with indoor cult has me to believe that you should be aiming for more fae and mist properly(this means that when it isn't glistening and dry, mist again) to compensate.
It seems my experience matches with pretty much everyone else who's done their share of growing.
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i like to bet on the losers they have a higher pay-out
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Mad Season said: I'd also like to point out that although mushrooms can grow in 0 humidity, their caps crack to shit.
0 humidity?
As in, an anhydrous environment? :V
Okay, I'm not walking backwards here. Progress was about to be made.
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awwwwwwwww
hah, oh stop it you're killing me
2 points for trying
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
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dude, i seen those shrooms growing outside your house life will find a way - blue moon
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Yeah and this summer had the biggest drought in a long ass time. It was definitely below 10% at least 95% of the time. I went out with a watering can every so often tho .
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I mean, have you EVER seen mushrooms in the wild grow like in those pics? :V
The main point tho is that outdoors is great too.. unless you meant something else and I interpreted it wrong? :S
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Pastywhyte said: I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
but what is the humidity inside the container you are fruiting it in ???
the humidity around it might be that low... if it's really cold or somthing
if it's casing, that holds in moisture. perlite, too
i bet if you were to measure the humidity in the chamber it would be way higher
i wouldn't doubt if it could grow as low as 60% or something though, especially with casing
and yeah, i made that figure up but i can't reasonably think it would be much lower
def. not 10 in the chamber
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Mad Season said:The main point tho is that outdoors is great too.. unless you meant something else and I interpreted it wrong? :S
That's good for an outdoor flush, from what I've seen.
As I said, I havent tried that one so I'm going off pics, and mushies I've see outside.
I'm a city boy. I mean, a bum might shit on the sidewalk; that's the only substrate I'd have to use :V
(honestly there are lots of parks here but they would get eaten. by people)
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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Pastywhyte said: I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
but what is the humidity inside the container you are fruiting it in ???
the humidity around it might be that low... if it's really cold or somthing
if it's casing, that holds in moisture. perlite, too
i bet if you were to measure the humidity in the chamber it would be way higher
i wouldn't doubt if it could grow as low as 60% or something though, especially with casing
and yeah, i made that figure up but i can't reasonably think it would be much lower
def. not 10 in the chamber
What if I told you that I completely agreed? And that on the surface it had 99% humidity thanks to the casing and moisture provided. The Outside air where the caps go to is the area that's going to the retardedly low humidity. This applies to my outdoor grow too.
And even outdoors the same rules apply. Definitely don't want over saturation from rain either. Surface hydration has a goldilocks zone you want to always maintain.
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hah, well yeah... you can't really control the humidity outside
chamber is all that matters
i was in mass when i was growing before; i'm sure the winters there were dry
and like i was saying, i think i misted (or sprayed it) once a day
fanned once a day; in the summer that wasn't great but surprisingly i had very few issues
i think they were all the first month that i started
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glad we understand each other. And yeah I'd like to point you to these 2 threads:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22108609 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22179806
These guys did no holes with very little work. I think no misting and I'm not sure about the fanning, but very little too. The stems are skinny and fuzzy. The caps are small too. All common with low fae. It still worked tho but it's not as good as pastys grows with more fae and babying. So I can see why you had success. I just don't think it's as good as the monos with holes 
I just preach how to get success ya'know?
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I wasn't comparing it to "it worked."
I think I'm gonna start again anyway, if for a hobby if nothing else.
I might do gormet mushrooms, idk.
I really don't even want to eat shrooms. I've had so damn many in my life.
I'd rather just grow the mycelium, then mutate it >:3
I know, I'm weird. I found out how though.
There are surprisingly few references to it in the literature regarding filamentous fungi.
So, it could be a "score one for science" type of deal.
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then mutate it thats what i like to do

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How did you insert the vector? :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
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Get your windex shrooms out of here BD, adults are talking.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131640
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Inocuole said: What the fuck does that have to do with any of the topics at hand?
I mentioned mutating filamentous fungi.
That goes through the process.
It also is inserting a fungicide resistance gene.
A bacterium is used to clone a plasmid into the host cell. The bacterium, Agrobacterium, is one of the only kind that can transfer DNA between species. (specifically tDNA) I couldn't find many sources for this, now I see why. This one is better:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3815887/
That was in 2008 and *they* were experimenting.
Here are the genetic sequences for resistance to chlorothalonil:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/GQ292539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/GQ485642
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
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I seeeeeeeee, you can't compete on the topics at hand so you bring up crazy shit that has nothing to do with anything to make yourself seem informed about goings-on in the world of microbiology.
Gotcha.
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Inocuole said: I seeeeeeeee, you can't compete on the topics at hand so you bring up crazy shit that has nothing to do with anything to make yourself seem informed about goings-on in the world of microbiology.
Well, not exactly.
I've explained this already but we are beating a dead horse at this point.
No reason to go back until someone has something tangible.
Oh, I was studying bioinformatics for a job interview tomorrow.
So yeah. Making myself seem informed :V
Did you know Agrobacterium gives trees cancer? I'm serious.
I never even knew trees could *get* cancer :o
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aww
i'm gonna miss him :v
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