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Pastywhyte
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22301698 - 09/28/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aw c'mon dust, this kinda thing should be right up your alley. Hell I think I'm gonna do it anyway just for the hell of it. Make a thread "will this abort?" Fill it up to the brim and take some pics. We can put some prints down on the outcome, should be fun
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22301795 - 09/28/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: So just how fine does the mist need to be? Raindrops too big? How about a shower head? What about pouring water out of a pitcher. I have hosed subs and pins down and even dunked them under pressure for 24 hours. Would that have made them abort?
Tell you what I'm gonna do. I got a small test jar of sub pinning right now. You tell me how big a droplet to hit them with and I will do it, with time stamp, make a thread out of it, and we can see what happens. Then we can stop jacking this poor thread and maybe have some fun and learn something in the process. I like hands on 
I'm sure rain isn't good for it.
I mean, have you EVER seen mushrooms in the wild grow like in those pics? :V
I would try it with one that's about to pin, so you are accurately replicating spraying it every day. From what I am reading, it shouldn't matter if you don't while it hasn't fruited yet just sometime before.
Actually, if it were me I'd do a bunch. If you look at the numbers in the paper it wasn't across the board. bet if you did 5 and 2 for the control it would be somewhere around the p value needed but I haven't worked it out. Maybe I'll crunch the numbers tonight.
I'd help but I can't do it here. I'll be moving come nov 1.
edit: that doesn't make any sense
i'm in a rush and shouldn't be typing
it should be enough for a somewhat meaningful p value
like, enough i would think twice
it's evidence anyway and possibly wasting a shitload of cakes is rather pointless
it's not getting submitted to Nature, after all :V
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Hi! Welcome to the thread! ^^
The peanut gallery is that way.
Grab a helmet and enjoy the show
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Edited by micro (09/28/15 09:09 AM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22301870 - 09/28/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay so your suggesting what, that misting a staturated sub that hasn't pinned is going to have problems pinning? Of course no one has suggested otherwise. The advice is or should be to mist dry cakes until they glisten. Do not mist again until all the water from the previous mist has evaporated. This is to ensure the cakes do not become saturated leading to them becoming matted and the pin platform ruined. Sorry but if that was the crux of your argument then I am at a real loss. Anyone who suggests misting an already moist substrate deserves a facepalm.
At that rate what you are describing is not the aborting of pins but rather the matting of the substrate ruining knot formation and the opportunity for knots to form or primordia to develop properly. Some used to erroniously call it overlay. That can happen if there is an insufficient microclimate and RH is too low. That is why we roll the cakes in verm before we mist them.
Maybe we are all arguing for the same thing but we are not speaking the same language. Seems to be a disconnect with the jargon. At any rate when I get home I am gonna dump a glass of water in my jar and photograph it. Lots of knots etc are forming In addition to the pins so we can see just how bad it bites it. It had been already misted several times but this will be pushing it. A link will be posted here. Should be good for lulz 
This is why I am a bitch about proper terminology. Cause when we just call shit whatever it can lead to real confusion.
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Mad Season
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I'd also like to point out that although mushrooms can grow in 0 humidity, their caps crack to shit. It's obviously not ideal, just like too much humidity... but I'd much prefer cracked caps to the mountain of problems high humidity comes with. You can just mist when needed in low humidity. In high humidity with no fae, all you can do is cry (or poke holes).
I'd also like to point you to this thread on outdoors with under 10% humidity. Have you seen bigger mushrooms from indoors? Outdoors is EPIC. Rain ROCKS. Outside they have no spawn. The nutrients are much lower. That's why nature doesn't produce stuff like that. You should see what high spawn and outside looks like..
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The main point is you will be shocked how much they can take. These experiments, and my experience with indoor cult has me to believe that you should be aiming for more fae and mist properly(this means that when it isn't glistening and dry, mist again) to compensate.
It seems my experience matches with pretty much everyone else who's done their share of growing.
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i like to bet on the losers they have a higher pay-out
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22302084 - 09/28/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I'd also like to point out that although mushrooms can grow in 0 humidity, their caps crack to shit.
0 humidity?
As in, an anhydrous environment? :V
Okay, I'm not walking backwards here. Progress was about to be made.
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blackdust said: i like to bet on the losers they have a higher pay-out
awwwwwwwww
hah, oh stop it you're killing me
2 points for trying
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22302189 - 09/28/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
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dude, i seen those shrooms growing outside your house life will find a way - blue moon
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Mad Season
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Yeah and this summer had the biggest drought in a long ass time. It was definitely below 10% at least 95% of the time. I went out with a watering can every so often tho .
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micro said: I'm sure rain isn't good for it.
I mean, have you EVER seen mushrooms in the wild grow like in those pics? :V
The main point tho is that outdoors is great too.. unless you meant something else and I interpreted it wrong? :S
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Pastywhyte said: I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
but what is the humidity inside the container you are fruiting it in ???
the humidity around it might be that low... if it's really cold or somthing
if it's casing, that holds in moisture. perlite, too
i bet if you were to measure the humidity in the chamber it would be way higher
i wouldn't doubt if it could grow as low as 60% or something though, especially with casing
and yeah, i made that figure up but i can't reasonably think it would be much lower
def. not 10 in the chamber
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Mad Season said:The main point tho is that outdoors is great too.. unless you meant something else and I interpreted it wrong? :S
That's good for an outdoor flush, from what I've seen.
As I said, I havent tried that one so I'm going off pics, and mushies I've see outside.
I'm a city boy. I mean, a bum might shit on the sidewalk; that's the only substrate I'd have to use :V
(honestly there are lots of parks here but they would get eaten. by people)
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22302297 - 09/28/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I think we can forgive mad seasons hyperbole given other sweeping statements already made. However in my region RH in summer is often as low as 15%. Indoors in the winter and a furnace running constantly it can get down to 10% in my house. I literally had a bathroom cabinet door crack and fall off from being too dry. An ice cold beer pulled out of the fridge will not sweat at all. You need yo live here to believe it.
It does present a real challenge to grow in a climate like this.
but what is the humidity inside the container you are fruiting it in ???
the humidity around it might be that low... if it's really cold or somthing
if it's casing, that holds in moisture. perlite, too
i bet if you were to measure the humidity in the chamber it would be way higher
i wouldn't doubt if it could grow as low as 60% or something though, especially with casing
and yeah, i made that figure up but i can't reasonably think it would be much lower
def. not 10 in the chamber
What if I told you that I completely agreed? And that on the surface it had 99% humidity thanks to the casing and moisture provided. The Outside air where the caps go to is the area that's going to the retardedly low humidity. This applies to my outdoor grow too.
And even outdoors the same rules apply. Definitely don't want over saturation from rain either. Surface hydration has a goldilocks zone you want to always maintain.
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hah, well yeah... you can't really control the humidity outside
chamber is all that matters
i was in mass when i was growing before; i'm sure the winters there were dry
and like i was saying, i think i misted (or sprayed it) once a day
fanned once a day; in the summer that wasn't great but surprisingly i had very few issues
i think they were all the first month that i started
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22302426 - 09/28/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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glad we understand each other. And yeah I'd like to point you to these 2 threads:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22108609 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22179806
These guys did no holes with very little work. I think no misting and I'm not sure about the fanning, but very little too. The stems are skinny and fuzzy. The caps are small too. All common with low fae. It still worked tho but it's not as good as pastys grows with more fae and babying. So I can see why you had success. I just don't think it's as good as the monos with holes 
I just preach how to get success ya'know?
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I wasn't comparing it to "it worked."
I think I'm gonna start again anyway, if for a hobby if nothing else.
I might do gormet mushrooms, idk.
I really don't even want to eat shrooms. I've had so damn many in my life.
I'd rather just grow the mycelium, then mutate it >:3
I know, I'm weird. I found out how though.
There are surprisingly few references to it in the literature regarding filamentous fungi.
So, it could be a "score one for science" type of deal.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22302519 - 09/28/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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then mutate it thats what i like to do

poor little guys never saw me cumming
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22302530 - 09/28/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How did you insert the vector? :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22302533 - 09/28/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get your windex shrooms out of here BD, adults are talking.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22302538 - 09/28/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22302545 - 09/28/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro said: In case anyone is interested:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3131640
What the fuck does that have to do with any of the topics at hand?
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