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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294141 - 09/26/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont think you understand
i already did the stuff you claim doesn't work
and it worked out great
i don't care about quotes, i would like to see this stuff backed up
like stamets saying he was wrong about temperature
why does everyone know that but nobody can even tell me where to find it
sorry i don't blindly follow other people, it ain't my style
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294150 - 09/26/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno how many people are willing to heat a room past what's comfortable just to prove you wrong, or stop misting or whatever you think people shouldn't do in this particular thread. It's always something though. You never asked stamets to prove anything to you.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294155 - 09/26/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, reading it before commenting would be nice
seeing how you don't even know what's going on :v
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294162 - 09/26/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know I agree with everything Mad has said and that you're disagreeing with him apparently on those points, that's enough context for me. Pretty sure it was about fanning not being FAE or something at this point. Mostly seems like nitpicking. Shit about spray bottles not being mist, etc.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22294218 - 09/26/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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see, you don't read
you follow others blindly on faith
which is fine if you don't want to think for yourself
but if people argue with me and can't back it up aside from "but he saaid"
of course i'm not going to consider that, why should i
that's not even an argument
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294227 - 09/26/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're doing the same thing dude. I'm agreeing with someone because their results and conclusions match my own. That strikes me as pretty normal. You can paint me blind and stupid all you like but you're just trying to rationalize and make it convenient not to take anything said seriously.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294237 - 09/26/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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holy christ
really?
read the fucking thread
you are wasting my time
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22294259 - 09/26/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seriously what do you want to talk about? I've read the thread. My point is that you keep using that as reason to bullshit around and not address the point. You're so focused on whether I've read the thread you don't care to actually defend your argument.
Are you we still on "fanning is a form of FAE"? It exchanges the air one time. That could happen on its own in like 5-10 minutes tops. What else is there?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294298 - 09/26/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure the problems are misting with a spray bottle, and that humidity is really no where near as important as fae. You just want 99% surface hydration through misting (which can be done with a spray bottle)
I'm seriously sorry op. The poor guy will come check this thread and have to read a novel
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It's really more of a novelette. A long short-story.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22294436 - 09/26/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy crap what a mess here. OP here is the TL; DR of the good info for you.
Mist cakes, mushrooms and fruits. Misting plastic walls is pointless.
FAE is very important. Fanning provides FAE for a couple minutes before the CO2 builds back up. Fanning is simply to change out the saturated air so evaporation can take place.
Fanning is not needed in a chamber meant for lots of FAE. I have not fanned a SGFC or monotub in years. Waste of time.
RH is not needed to be super high throughout the chamber, 60% is more than enough. RH needs to be really high in the microclimate at the substrate surface. The air about 2mm above is where there needs to be a lot of humidity. This is provided by casing or the verm you rolled your cakes in. We ensure it doesn't dry out by misting.
FYI: I don't give a crap what Paul Stamets or RR or Guzman, or John Holiday or PF have to say on the subject. None of those people have grown a cube in 20 years. Feel free to disregard anything I have to say as well. Not like I have any need to prove anything.
Oh hi inoc, what up mad
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trolled again
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: blackdust]
#22294486 - 09/26/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: trolled again
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Inocuole said: Are you we still on "fanning is a form of FAE"? It exchanges the air one time. That could happen on its own in like 5-10 minutes tops. What else is there?
I said gas exchange.
Next time you want to interject, read what is going on first.
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Pastywhyte said: Mist cakes, mushrooms and fruits. Misting plastic walls is pointless.
Wow. You, too.
You missed my entire point and it was only directed toward people with cheap spray bottles who can't afford misters. Also "filtered air exchange" is good but not necessary. And yes, fanning once a day DOES work. Trust me, go back to posts 10+ years ago. It worked then and it would work now.
Anyone who says opening the thing up and fanning it doesn't cause gas exchange needs to get their head examined :v
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RH is not needed to be super high throughout the chamber, 60% is more than enough. RH needs to be really high in the microclimate at the substrate surface. The air about 2mm above is where there needs to be a lot of humidity. This is provided by casing or the verm you rolled your cakes in. We ensure it doesn't dry out by misting.
FYI: I don't give a crap what Paul Stamets or RR or Guzman, or John Holiday or PF have to say on the subject. None of those people have grown a cube in 20 years. Feel free to disregard anything I have to say as well. Not like I have any need to prove anything.
Yeah, I kind of feel the same except:
a.) the species hasn't changed since then, and b.) they actually hold patents and have been published in journals, unlike the people here
But -
I would tend to agree with you if we are talking about casing.
It's what I used to do, so empirically I know it worked.
I've seen cakes dry out all the time though; I'd be careful of too low of humidity.
Not sure if 60% would fall into that category but when people started talking about 10%
Well, obviously the casing was holding in moisture.
Diffusion hasn't changed that much either, btw :V
... and I *don't* feel bad; the question was simple and he got the answer like, back on the first page.
notice how he has't come back here?
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: micro]
#22298248 - 09/27/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use a cheap spray bottle. I never ever mist just the walls. Plastic doesn't need water, the mushrooms do. Large droplets will not abort the fruits if you have good FAE. They get rained on in nature FFS 
FAE cannot be replaced by gas exchange if you want healthy fruits. Most pics from ten years ago show shitty pinsets and stringy fruits. Poor BE all around. I like to think we have improved in the last decade.
BTW the term fanning is not describing gas exchange. Its momentary fresh air. Momentary as in just enough to allow for evaporation to continue if the air inside was saturated and evaporation stopped. CO2 will build quick after you close it back up. So unless you fan twice an hour, its not FAE. Gas exchange is how we describe the slow diffusion of gasses through a filter. FAE is air moving into a chamber at a rate many many times that. Perhaps if you used current nomenclature you might not sound so ill informed.
Cakes won't dry out if you mist them regularly and ensure the perlite is wet. I have seen many more people dry their cakes out by fanning the hell outta them in an attempt to give them manual FAE. Funny enough in that scenario the cakes are neither enjoying a humid environment or enough fresh air.
The species is the same as it was 20 years ago true. But our understanding of it is far better. Most people grow in monotubs now. Those were not even invented until 2005.
Also you are the person cluttering up the thread with bad info. I can only hope the OP didn't take the advice you were giving. You may have been growing for 100 years but you don't know jack shit about mushrooms from what I can tell. Tenure by no means equates skill or knowledge.
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It's been 2 days and the guy still doesn't think I found the time to read the fucking thread. I literally mentioned the most recent topics he mentioned before he went off and started whining about everybody needing to prove stamets wrong.
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22298275 - 09/27/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how we should do things the way they were done 20 years ago. Shit while I'm at it I should dig out a flip phone and dust off my vcr
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Pastywhyte said: The species is the same as it was 20 years ago true. But our understanding of it is far better. Most people grow in monotubs now. Those were not even invented until 2005.
Actually, yes they were.
Go through my old posts. I was doing that back in 2002/2003.
(you would have to go to mycotopia and look for microfile for 2002)
I came up with other things as well. Maybe those will catch on eventually.
I also haven't seen anything that has really impressed me that much.
I had good flushes and hardly any problems (excluding stuff my roommate ran into).
I think it's safe to assume I was doing *something* right.
But -
I'll just let people here stay in their own little world since they are so adamant about it :V
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Re: bluish green spots? [Re: Inocuole]
#22298291 - 09/27/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro, if you would like to accelerate the information diffusion process (as a change agent) you would need to gain the support of the opinion leaders of the Shroomery community. The opinion leaders would be the moderators and trusted cultivators that frequent the cultivation forums.
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micro
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Inocuole said: It's been 2 days and the guy still doesn't think I found the time to read the fucking thread. I literally mentioned the most recent topics he mentioned before he went off and started whining about everybody needing to prove stamets wrong.
I didn't say anything about today.
I said next time you interject, which was.. yesterday?
GAWSH :V
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Pastywhyte said: I like how we should do things the way they were done 20 years ago. Shit while I'm at it I should dig out a flip phone and dust off my vcr 
You know, you'd have a point if growing shrooms was like, high-tech :V
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