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What's people thoughts on art?
#22285936 - 09/24/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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what is it, what isn't it, why do you hate/love it, or are indifferent to it, how do you feel about it?
painting, books/stories/novels, music, architecture, furniture, sculpture, performance/acting, film, photography, fashion, dance, building, decorative/design, printmaking, drawing/animation, poetry, typography/calligraphy, gastronomy, conceptual, mathematics...
any and all things that are/is/was/will-be/can-be/should-be/isn't-but-still-is art.
go, it's a good thread. c'mon people think real hard.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22285943 - 09/24/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Art is in the eye of the beholder. Otherwise it's just a mess.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: Detached]
#22285947 - 09/24/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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can you give an example?
what's good art, what's bad art, what's basterized art?
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: Detached]
#22285949 - 09/24/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Detached said: Art is in the eye of the beholder. Otherwise it's just a mess.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22285963 - 09/24/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Art is a word that is up to definition by those that use it. 
I judge art by it's creativity or technical skill... pretty loose parameters for how someone else might perceive it.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
#22285967 - 09/24/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jerry was an artist.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: Detached] 1
#22286043 - 09/24/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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words are (words that) are made up to define what a person means to make a word to communicate a thought, feeling, idea, thing, basically all words are just as you described.
saying the word art is loosely defined is like saying that the word shit is loosely defined and doesn't need to be justified in it's conceiving.
which is sort of true, but nevertheless art is a pretty easy thing to define regularly, it's a creative expression of aesthetic appreciation or emotion. creation is a word that is defined as something that is created, so in this sense art is the creation of something that is expressive of an aesthetic, or of an emotion, or of a design.
basically art like words (which were created, and are manipulated like any art is) is whatever isn't prohibited by being un-creatable.
art like words like philosophies and ideas are not bound to any specific quality even though opinions differ, and even the opinion of what the use of the word "art" is for, so art can only not-exist if one closes their mind off to particulars; it's a choice, but it's a personal one, so even art that isn't art is still art.
the importance of art is simple, people create shit.
people want to be completely practical, that's fine and dandy, doesn't change anything about words or art or ideas or philosophies, no one is absolutely endowed with the ability to judge which is why art can be found anywhere. anyone who disagrees is simply being difficult and is probably jealous because they're closing their minds off to the aspects that are endowed absolutely in the world without their say-so...because people generally only see $$$ and only wish their world to be the only "reality", which is why art even exists at all; because people think they own everything; art proves otherwise.
people would like to think "oh that useless artist isn't doing what i like so it isn't art". well that's blatantly subjective, and also stupid and crass. people do what they want to do, it's why people do anything at all; so you can be practically artistic and not think a thing about the word "art" but that doesn't stop anything from being created for the purpose of their expression (whether emotional or aesthetic [ie "i think only building things that are practical is useful and all other aesthetics are useless" - an aesthetic]) because people need to express themselves otherwise we would be lines on a flat plain, at the most. or just nothing.
whatever anyone does it their art, whether one disagrees or not, because that's achm what the fucking word means, it means to endow your expression on the world you are currently living in.
it's really really not complicated.
all the images everyone uses on this message board is art. the code programmed to design and run this website is art. E=mc2 is art. the lunar orbiter photos are art.
words are art.
art is not namby-pamby, art is what you like, and what you don't like, all at once, even if you don't like that.
why? because it was put into existence by a human and humans appreciate aesthetics because you put yourself where you want to be, or are put there by choice, whether it's preferable or not, because that was created around you and ultimately for you, whether you like it or not.
people really must hate art if they don't do any (or rather don't think they do any) because it puts them in their place and people's need for control makes them angry when it's realized that they don't control everything around them. they don't; art does that, not people.
sad for people who hate it. but too bad.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22286050 - 09/24/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Too many words. Can't read. Sorry brah 
Just kidding. You have many valid points.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: Detached]
#22286102 - 09/24/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i didn't mean to write a dissertation length post, but it's kinda the only way to encapsulate what art means; it is literally creative expression of aesthetics.
people can argue all their life about what is a better or worse aesthetic, but nothing changes what the word means or is or does, or what art is or means or does; art is God.
people hate God because they can't understand it; well they shouldn't hate a non-existent being for just the sake of it's non-existence, but art however is exactly what-is-and-isn't-at-once. you can hate God but you can't ultimately hate art because art is that which people are alive for, for their self-interest is based on their aesthetics. even before people think of what they'd prefer they have what they've been given, and that is what they strive for, because that's all they know for better and for worse; it's the alpha and omega, as it were. you cant to change something about the word, it's because you know what it is you want to change, and if you don't know then you wouldn't want to change anything, which is art, the art they're born with and perhaps die with, and if they change something then that's THEIR ART that they've endowed to themselves and the world in tandem.
it's inescapable because you literally cannot live without want, and want is an aesthetic problem, and the need cannot be separated from the want, unless you are unthinking, and even then that would be the art, thou art, but it's not really like that, is it? no. it can't be because we do think, so hence we do strive for aesthetic qualities, what we WANT as opposed to what we simply need, which is still a want.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22286323 - 09/24/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see graffiti artists who do better work than the 20 thousand dollar painting done by "real" artist in gallery. That annoys me to no end. Everyone knows and accepts that there are bar bands living in poverty who are better than the idiots on the radio. It seems very arbitrary who "makes it" and who doesn't. Pretty sure if Picasso was born now he would be dirt poor. Rant two: Why does everything suck now? In the 70's movies were awesome, music was awesome, even TV was way better. I don't know if i should blame the internet or the current generation of douchbags who watch movies on their phones. I wish the days of the grindhouse independent movie theater came back because Netflix is garbage. I think society is getting dumber and this is a reflection of that stupidity. All my favorite directors have to crowdfund their movies now yet Fast and Furious made it to number 7. It's actually disgusting. Also the quality of books in this century is terrible. The 20th century produced several classics a year, now it's all shit. I don't see why just because digital photography exists that means that film can't. Just because people want shitty lo rez movies on a phone, why does that mean independent theaters can't exist? We seem to be trading quality for easy access. Nothing produced now is going to be a classic in 30 years, it's all very disposable now. Yeah I think art and culture now just kind of sucks ass.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: my3rdeye]
#22286331 - 09/24/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so it's all about the money, fame, position?
i think you're half-right about the fuckiness of things. there's always been something's that have no heart.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22286347 - 09/24/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Art Vandelay is cool, everything else sucks!
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22286400 - 09/24/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: so it's all about the money, fame, position?
No it's about the Kraft Dinner, shitty apartments and taking the bus with your guitar to gigs. It will never be about money again thanks to the internet.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: my3rdeye]
#22286426 - 09/24/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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it was always that, unless you were propped up by record companies and major venues.
some great shit was given a chance back in the day, but only because people respected a struggling and artistic band with originality and talent.
now that's all gotta be done independently. so technically, it's still what it is all about, only it's not decided upon by record labels, which allows for more creative freedom. money was never the point, it was merely a bonus; but people never respected that anyways, they only respected the parley, the event, the get-together/ho'down/party and now all that is done on computers and with singers very similar to eachother in looks, taste and sound.
the dynamic has changed from real music being tainted, to real music being free.
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#22286448 - 09/24/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Art is pretty boss.
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Art is alright
Modern art is fucking shit tho. Don't believe me? Just go and look at some modern 'art' and tell me it compares to the art from a few centuries ago.
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#22286665 - 09/24/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone's an artist because there is an art to everything.
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I make pagodas out of garbage. It's art!
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: sunkeep]
#22286760 - 09/25/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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sunkeep said: Art is alright
Modern art is fucking shit tho. Don't believe me? Just go and look at some modern 'art' and tell me it compares to the art from a few centuries ago.
not in technique, not alot of it. then again, there is great technique to pieces that you might not figure has it.
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Fletcher said: I make pagodas out of garbage. It's art!
ok. you seem to be insinuating something...when you say "it's art!" do you mean it's "not art"?
because creating something out of garbage can be cool, just because it was once garbage doesn't mean it's just "garbage". you make a pagoda out of dispensed waste, that's pretty heady brah.
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yes sir, damn right.
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Re: What's people thoughts on art? [Re: akira_akuma]
#22286820 - 09/25/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fart.
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Fermented Mushrooms!! --- https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23378638/fpart/1/vc/1 'The second seal: “All CONTAMINATED things and events are unsatisfactory.”' "I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky. You are fighting the most important fight of all - you live in THE HEART OF THE BEAST." --Anonymous Guerilla, or is he..
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