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Not what I was hoping for.
    #22284670 - 09/24/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So about 2.5 hours ago I ingested 4 grams ground into powder mixed with one pint of orange juice.I let that sit for about an hour before drinking. The come up was fast. I felt the initial effects in about twenty minutes and there was rapid onset after. I won't get into specifics I'm sure we are all aware of the effects of mushrooms. However about an hour in I got bored and kind of gave up on the trip. Has this happened to anyone else?


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22284744 - 09/24/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you on any medication? Also, what was your diet today and what is your physical build (height and weight). How old are the mushrooms, what was the source, and how have they been stored? What was your diet leading up to the trip in the past 3 days?

All of these things will help to answer your question.

In general however, no. That's not a normal response to a 4 gram trip.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22284812 - 09/24/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No meds. 5'9" 225# ate an orange and a pull and peel cheese stick about two hours before. I grew them myself and they were dried and stored under proper conditions. Probably a week old. I've eaten lightly the last few days in anticipation for this dose.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22284854 - 09/24/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm. Those aren't typical results.

I did have one experience a few months ago where I also had 4 grams under similar conditions and did not trip at all really. Then, after giving up on hope of tripping, I went and ate a meal. The meal caused the mushrooms in my stomach to start metabolizing and I TRIPPED BALLS. Consider having a glass of juice or some more fruit. That can potentiate the dose.

Good luck. Not normal results though.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22284908 - 09/24/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea that's happened to me a couple times.  A high tolerance combined with fast metabolism and empty stomach is one way.  Also, some settings especially places you've tripped at several times, or places you would be bored at while sober can kill a trip, or not having something compelling to do while tripping can bring you out of it in my experience.  Potency varies alot in shrooms too if you used multispore syringes to grow


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: geffer]
    #22285855 - 09/24/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm that is odd. Try keeping your eyes closed during comeup and peek. Dark room. Preferably the mindfold for me. You should have at least felt something physically, if not any visuals with open eyes...


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22286008 - 09/24/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So about 2.5 hours ago I ingested 4 grams ground into powder mixed with one pint of orange juice.I let that sit for about an hour before drinking. The come up was fast. I felt the initial effects in about twenty minutes and there was rapid onset after. I won't get into specifics I'm sure we are all aware of the effects of mushrooms. However about an hour in I got bored and kind of gave up on the trip. Has this happened to anyone else?




Two questions: 1) When was the last time you did mushrooms? 2) What was the variety of cube?


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: TheScientificMethod]
    #22286128 - 09/24/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm. Those aren't typical results.

I did have one experience a few months ago where I also had 4 grams under similar conditions and did not trip at all really. Then, after giving up on hope of tripping, I went and ate a meal. The meal caused the mushrooms in my stomach to start metabolizing and I TRIPPED BALLS. Consider having a glass of juice or some more fruit. That can potentiate the dose.

Good luck. Not normal results though.





Wow this has already happened with me. Did you take any flu medication before eating the mushrooms?


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22286150 - 09/24/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So about 2.5 hours ago I ingested 4 grams ground into powder mixed with one pint of orange juice.I let that sit for about an hour before drinking. The come up was fast. I felt the initial effects in about twenty minutes and there was rapid onset after. I won't get into specifics I'm sure we are all aware of the effects of mushrooms. However about an hour in I got bored and kind of gave up on the trip. Has this happened to anyone else?





You're so lucky it didn't work dude, you don't wanna know what will happen if you mix 4 grams with vitamin C.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22286368 - 09/24/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not a normal trip, i would say it would of been a level 3, i like the next level where things start morphing, my cat turned into a gnome looking thing once, i thought it was intense.

I was on more than 4g, and had a tolerance.

I have also had a tolerance and taken shrooms 5/7 days that week and 10g did little to nothing, it was like i took 1.5g of shrooms, little visuals, and a hour and half later I was pissed and gave up. Thats only thing I have similar, but if i took 4g with oj/lemon tek I would be blasted off my ass for hours.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: LSDollar]
    #22286422 - 09/24/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

are you sure they were good quality? I have had that happen to me with some sketchy shrooms I got at a festival, they basically just gave out after 2 hours. Shortest mushroom ever.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: LSDollar]
    #22287023 - 09/25/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have also had a tolerance and taken shrooms 5/7 days that week and 10g did little to nothing, it was like i took 1.5g of shrooms, little visuals, and a hour and half later I was pissed and gave up. Thats only thing I have similar, but if i took 4g with oj/lemon tek I would be blasted off my ass for hours.




There's no such thing as tolorence when it comes to psilocybin and vitamin C. You can trip several days in a row and the intensity is always the same. This is also true with smoked psilocin freebase.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Heisencybin]
    #22287037 - 09/25/15 03:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm that is odd. Try keeping your eyes closed during comeup and peek. Dark room. Preferably the mindfold for me. You should have at least felt something physically, if not any visuals with open eyes...



No I got some really hard core 3d closed eye visuals for a good hour. It's just that after a while I got bored. It felt like I would approach ego death and detachment but my subconscious would step in before total ego death and pull me back to reality.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: champinhom]
    #22287043 - 09/25/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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So about 2.5 hours ago I ingested 4 grams ground into powder mixed with one pint of orange juice.I let that sit for about an hour before drinking. The come up was fast. I felt the initial effects in about twenty minutes and there was rapid onset after. I won't get into specifics I'm sure we are all aware of the effects of mushrooms. However about an hour in I got bored and kind of gave up on the trip. Has this happened to anyone else?




Two questions: 1) When was the last time you did mushrooms? 2) What was the variety of cube?




Probably a month ago when I harvested the first flush of this run. I ate 2.5 grams, which is my base line for determining potency, and that was much more intense. They were psilocybe cubensis Mexican stain.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22287044 - 09/25/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm. Those aren't typical results.

I did have one experience a few months ago where I also had 4 grams under similar conditions and did not trip at all really. Then, after giving up on hope of tripping, I went and ate a meal. The meal caused the mushrooms in my stomach to start metabolizing and I TRIPPED BALLS. Consider having a glass of juice or some more fruit. That can potentiate the dose.

Good luck. Not normal results though.





Wow this has already happened with me me. Did you take any flu medication before eating the mushrooms?




No medication.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22287050 - 09/25/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have also had a tolerance and taken shrooms 5/7 days that week and 10g did little to nothing, it was like i took 1.5g of shrooms, little visuals, and a hour and half later I was pissed and gave up. Thats only thing I have similar, but if i took 4g with oj/lemon tek I would be blasted off my ass for hours.




There's no such thing as tolorence when it comes to psilocybin and vitamin C. You can trip several days in a row and the intensity is always the same. The same is true for smoked psilocybin freebase.




So this is totally false. It's well known with psychedelics that tolerance builds to a noticeable level within hours of ingestion. That's why in order to trip multiple days in a row, or within a day or two, you have to ingest substantially more to feel the same effects. As far as the orange juice, it's the citric acid that breaks down the psilocybin into psilocyn, not the vitamin c. As far as anything I can remember reading, vitamin c has a negligible, if any effect at all on the experience.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22287106 - 09/25/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

One of the possible problems with various lemon/tea teks is that it comes on strong and can be very short acting. I think I know what you mean by getting bored, especially if your trying to watch the back of your eyelids. When my visions start to fade I might try sitting with it "harder" or longer, but at some point I guess I give up. Thats when I'll get a notebook and  write down some ideas or pick up my ukulele and jam.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22287109 - 09/25/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Vitamin C doesn't convert psilocybin into psilocin, that's just a myth made up by people who don't understand how it works. What actualy makes the conversion is our intestinal alkaline phosphatase.
Vitamin C only acts as an antioxidant, it prevents psilocybin from turning into blue and becoming oxidised. When you just eat the mushrooms, most of the actives are oxidised and excreted as hydrophilic products by glucuronidation inside your liver. That's why you need to eat more mushrooms to have the same effects you would have with vitamin C.

If you want the full effects, you shouldn't use orange juice, that's a very bad source of vitamin C. What you want is a very concentrated solution with lemon juice.




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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22287246 - 09/25/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wasn't sure if orange juice could lemon tek shrooms but that's probably what happened since lemon teks hit you fast and wear off fast.  Eating lightly the days before probably lessened the duration even more and also the shrooms might have been weaker than you're used to.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: geffer]
    #22287595 - 09/25/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ahh ok so they did work for a bit. Yeah I've had short trips with lemon tek. I prefer longer, less intense trips so I just make tea with only a squirting or two of lemon juice. Try just eating or tea if you want to avoid nausea


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22288255 - 09/25/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There's no such thing as tolorence when it comes to psilocybin and vitamin C. You can trip several days in a row and the intensity is always the same. This is also true with smoked psilocin freebase.




Where do you get this information you are putting forth with such aplomb? This about vitamin C and tolerance and the bit about the danger of lemon tek--it's all just not true. I have done lemon tek many times. It is fine but in no way potentiating to the point you are indicating. NOT AT ALL.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22288596 - 09/25/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have also had a tolerance and taken shrooms 5/7 days that week and 10g did little to nothing, it was like i took 1.5g of shrooms, little visuals, and a hour and half later I was pissed and gave up. Thats only thing I have similar, but if i took 4g with oj/lemon tek I would be blasted off my ass for hours.




There's no such thing as tolorence when it comes to psilocybin and vitamin C. You can trip several days in a row and the intensity is always the same. This is also true with smoked psilocin freebase.






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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: champinhom]
    #22288803 - 09/25/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Where do you get this information you are putting forth with such aplomb?





If you're not lazy, you will  find the information by yourself. I wouldn't just make this up dude. That's called scientific knowledge. Scientific Knowledge is not based in common sense, just because most people believe in something it doesn't it's true.

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This is about vitamin C and tolerance and the bit about the danger of lemon tek--it's all just not true. I have done lemon tek many times.





I don't know about other people, but i can trip several days in row and the intensity of the trip is always the same when I lemon tek. Never take lemon tek for granted, i used to think just like you before i had a level 5 experience with just 2 grams.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22288954 - 09/25/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Where do you get this information you are putting forth with such aplomb?





If you're not lazy, you will  find the information by yourself. I wouldn't just make this up dude. That's called scientific knowledge. Scientific Knowledge is not based in common sense, just because most people believe in something it doesn't it's true.

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This is about vitamin C and tolerance and the bit about the danger of lemon tek--it's all just not true. I have done lemon tek many times.





I don't know about other people, but i can trip several days in row and the intensity of the trip is always the same when I lemon tek. I've already had a level 5 experience with just 2 grams because i was too naive and used think just like you.




Different bodies, different results...
How do you prepare your lemon tek?


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: rolear8]
    #22289008 - 09/25/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just blend the mushrooms with lemon juice for 3 minutes and wait 30 minutes before drinking. If your solution turns blue, it means you didn't add enough vitamin C. It should be brown, not blue.


Blue means oxidised(degraded)




When you add vitamin c it doesn't turn blue because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant, it prevents degradation.





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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22289514 - 09/25/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just blend the mushrooms with lemon juice for 3 minutes and wait 30 minutes before drinking. If your solution turns blue, it means you didn't add enough vitamin C. It should be brown, not blue.


Blue means oxidised(degraded)




When you add vitamin c it doesn't turn blue because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant, it prevents degradation.









I  see. I will try today, but with lemon juice, not vitamin c. Will see. Thanks for the pics.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: rolear8]
    #22289542 - 09/25/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, don't forget to report how it went.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: rolear8]
    #22302345 - 09/28/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Was it intense?


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22302484 - 09/28/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

OP. You need to do a lot more research bro. Act as if you're your own doctor. Would a doctor prescribe someone a large dose to begin with? No. Try not to write off mushrooms because of this negative experience. Take a little break if you need to & try again. This time do more research. Also, I don't know why so many people recommend OJ with mushrooms. It's time to put that myth to rest...

Although I definitely would not recommend you to do the lemon tek with 4 grams of mushrooms, but I would say if you're looking for something to make the trip stronger then try the lemon tek. But with a much lower dose than 4 grams.

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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22302659 - 09/28/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I'm not the OP.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Aureus]
    #22303035 - 09/28/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lemontek really did it for my dog yesterday. I think the weed keept it all lasting a little longer aswell. But after about 4 hours it suddently decreased and ceased.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22303181 - 09/28/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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OP. You need to do a lot more research bro. Act as if you're your own doctor. Would a doctor prescribe someone a large dose to begin with? No. Try not to write off mushrooms because of this negative experience. Take a little break if you need to & try again. This time do more research. Also, I don't know why so many people recommend OJ with mushrooms. It's time to put that myth to rest...

Although I definitely would not recommend you to do the lemon tek with 4 grams of mushrooms, but I would say if you're looking for something to make the trip stronger then try the lemon tek. But with a much lower dose than 4 grams.

If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to private message me or post any questions you may have in this thread & I will be sure to answer any of them.

Have a great day. I hope you got to enjoy the lunar eclipse last night. :smile:



So I'm pretty far from being new at taking mushrooms. (I'm the OP). I wasn't looking to lemon tek with orange juice I've just found that if I grind my dose and let it sit in orange juice for a bit before ingesting it helps to cover the flavor a little better and I also have less problems with acid reflux if I drink orange juice warm. The first hour or so of the trip was really intense, super clear 3d closed eye visuals and super bright and detailed auras and colors everywhere. But after the initial effects it seemed like my mind was trying to be pulled away but was unable to give everything up bc I was still able to differentiate between sober and mushroom thoughts. For what it was it was enjoyable but it just didn't do what I was expecting.


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Re: Not what I was hoping for. [Re: DaHamentashenkid]
    #22304762 - 09/28/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what did you expect?


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    #22305040 - 09/28/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well you did state you grew them yourself. From the sounds of it, since you're not on medication, it was just the luck of the draw with MS spores. You had some that were potent and some that were a bit weaker. If you want consistency and you haven't already, look into cloning and isolation. That way your flushes/fruits don't vary so much in potency.

Also, I noticed earlier this year when I tried tripping off of my first grow, I had some thoughts in my subconscious that I worried about and when I ate my shrooms, they just gave me a terrible upset stomach. Once I found out that everything was going to be fine, it now seems like my tolerance is at nothing! I can get great visuals just from 1.5g. Not saying you're worrying about anything, just sharing my personal experience.


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