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relsseS
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My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up.
#22284155 - 09/24/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay this is the second time this has happened and I'm stumped. My jars colonized beautifully, and I let them consolidate. I dunk the grains, and mix them into my pasteurized bulk sub (coir/verm), and the monotub colonizes beautifully as well. I also let this consolidate. Everything seems picture perfect. When I expose my tub to fruiting conditions (temp drops to mid-70s, 100% RH, I mist and fan daily and keep humidity up as much as possible.
It's been two weeks and still no fruits, and my substrate is beginning to dry out and shrink up as you can see in the pictures. I do know that my substrate is too thin (only about 2.5in) but I've fruited before with even thinner substrates in less-than-optimal conditions and gotten fat cubes (see signature pics) so I know it's possible.
I used g2g jars that were cloned from the healthiest multispore jars I had.
This is the second monotub that has gone through this. The last one sat in my room long after it dried out, and about a month later fruited a couple cubes randomly, even though the substrate was bone-dry. There was never any contamination even after I tossed it out and checked the inside of the substrate block.
What am I doing wrong, besides the thin substrate? My grains and bulk subs colonize fully and are consolidated and are exposed to perfect fruiting conditions. Plenty of humidity, FAE, light/dark cycles. They never fucking fruit and instead die a slow, painful death of drying up after several weeks.
I see knots forming in the substrate, but this happened before and got no fruits. I'm beginning to think this just isn't for me...
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22284213 - 09/24/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you not... misting them when they're dry? That looks bacterial as hell though. It does look like it's trying to pin. From the look of it it's actually too wet. Your top poly is a little loose too.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22284272 - 09/24/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
#22284290 - 09/24/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The yellow is just piss. Where water pooled up, that happened. Also I took this picture right after misting because it dries very fast.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22284301 - 09/24/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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relsseS said: The yellow is just piss. Where water pooled up, that happened. Also I took this picture right after misting because it dries very fast.
It's not "just piss". Yellow secretions like that are usually antibiotic metabolites that the mycelium releases to combat an infection. It wouldn't just do it because of water since mycelium loves getting rained on just fine. Notice the mycelium also has a "fluffy ball" kind of morphology going on? Pretty classic reaction to a bacterial infection. Perhaps pooling water exacerbated it but the problem existed before then.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22284509 - 09/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said Inoc.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22284781 - 09/24/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't consolidate bulk jars or tubs once they have reached 100%. Look at frankhorrigan mono tek.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: LsDreamin]
#22284857 - 09/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rob207 said: You don't consolidate bulk jars or tubs once they have reached 100%. Look at frankhorrigan mono tek.
You definitely can. I consolidate my tubs at 100 percent often, especially my Penis Envy.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22284893 - 09/24/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Usually you wouldn't want to let the spawn jars consolidate, but letting the bulk tubs consolidate is never a bad option. Same principle as cakes, just in bulk.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22284975 - 09/24/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So this is guaranteed ruined then? Contamination?
Also, I read that the evaporation of water on substrate is a pinning trigger, and after that point, misting directly on the substrate was bad?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22285023 - 09/24/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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relsseS said: misting directly on the substrate was bad?
That's definitely outdated info...also, but this is just me thinking and I can be wrong: If you mist too much, you might actually not allow for evaporation to take place, but let some1 more experienced comment on this
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
#22285155 - 09/24/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not misting too much though..
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22285288 - 09/24/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It looks like it's still trying to pin. Give it a little longer. It won't yield great but it looks like it still wants to try to produce something.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22285713 - 09/24/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never mist a mono tub. Unless just after harvesting. IF it.looks dry. I have gone three flushes on some of.my mini Mono's without misting. I don't.ever mist at all anymore though. No need.too. by the third flush they're spent anyway.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast] 1
#22286011 - 09/24/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mist a monotub ANYTIME it looks dry.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22286159 - 09/24/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22286169 - 09/24/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Consolidation. Ha. Who has time for that shit? Not me. Nope. Never. Besides, they fruit WHEN THEY WANT TO. OP, either you've got a non fruiting culture or it's so heavy with bacteria it ain't doing shit. Probably the latter.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: azur]
#22286916 - 09/25/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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azur said: Consolidation. Ha. Who has time for that shit? Not me. Nope. Never. Besides, they fruit WHEN THEY WANT TO. OP, either you've got a non fruiting culture or it's so heavy with bacteria it ain't doing shit. Probably the latter.
I've noticed the PE you sent me fruits even if I don't introduce fruiting conditions..it does indeed have it's own schedule and could give fuck all what I tell it to do.
I do have some genetics though that won't fruit til I tell them to, and to indeed benefit from consolidation.
I'm not growing to beat any weight records, so I don't mind a little consolidation here and there if it beefs up my first flush. I just love full canopies.
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Never mist a mono tub

Mist a mono if it looks dry. I also HAVE to mist in the summer because I jack of the fae to keep trich down due to the high temps. I also HAVE to mist in the winter because my RH gets so low. Never mist a monotub is a rather odd statement to make. If I dialed mine in so I didn't have to mist, I'd have no FAE...which would suck...so misting is quite often necessary to get a good flush.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22288795 - 09/25/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. I don't.understand why you people like to quote so much crap and try and make someone look stupid when y'all didn't.even read.my post. I said to mist when It looks dry! Go ahead. Look at it again people.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast] 1
#22288802 - 09/25/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Never mist a mono tub. Unless just after harvesting. IF it.looks dry.
That's two qualifiers, not one. Try again.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288836 - 09/25/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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vagblast said: Never mist a mono tub. Unless just after harvesting. IF it.looks dry.
That's two qualifiers, not one. Try again.
Exactly how I understood it 
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288848 - 09/25/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK dude. U obviously only log on here to ridicule and talk shit to people so I'm not.gonna argue with you. If you have a problem with how I worded something. That's on you. I never said don't mist at all. Some people have to. In my case. In my house. At my altitude. With my areas rh and my homes rh I don't need to mist. My shit has plenty of water retention and rh. So what's wrong.with what I said exactly? I said never.mist unless u have to. If its dry then mist. Why would u have to ask if its too dry? Of course u mist. Der! But whatever dude you always win I've seen your post.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288867 - 09/25/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop] 1
#22288871 - 09/25/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another one, so soon? jcop are you secretly behind all this?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288873 - 09/25/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh and as far as the.second qualifier your so big on. If your shit.needs misting.before the first flush then ur sub is too damn dry too begin with before spawning and you suck at this. Just my opinion. Since were all about giving those right now. But its fine. I'm wrong. Wtf ever. I really don't care. Moooooving on now.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288879 - 09/25/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We're talking to a person whose monotubs are drying up. It's in the title man. You can't start a sentence with "Never mist a monotub" and expect that to fly. Why are you being so defensive about it in the first place? Can you not even admit it sounds bad the way you put it?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288891 - 09/25/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well yea now that u put it like that. It does sound kinda dumb. Hmmmm. I meant well though. Does that count?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288894 - 09/25/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, it does. Crisis averted? I'm too high for this anyway, so the answer is yes. Carry on.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288913 - 09/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't understand why your tubs would be drying up. How is your feild capacity when you prep your sub?
In mono tubs, you really should only need to mist if you had to make adjustments and kinda gave to much FAE for a minute. You should be able to control just by tighetning or loosening the polyfill. If my tub looks dry, I tighten the poly.
I try to get it so that the only spots without surface condensation is the small area directly in front of the bottom polyfill.. then I know its getting as much air exchange as I can give without starting to dry it out.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288915 - 09/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crisis? Lol. Quote:
Inocuole said: Another one, so soon? jcop are you secretly behind all this?
what does this mean?
I'm not mad at all. Just kinda wish u would be a little less rude right off the bat with things u say but not mad no.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288928 - 09/25/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Crisis? Lol. Quote:
Inocuole said: Another one, so soon? jcop are you secretly behind all this?
what does this mean?
I'm not mad at all. Just kinda wish u would be a little less rude right off the bat with things u say but not mad no.
You said you were familiar with my posts, I expect you would know that I leave a trail of meltdowns in my wake. 
I'm just not looking for one of those today. It never ends well. It's always people I never initially want to dislike too.
I'm not really rude. I'm just to the point. I'm happy to review any post that you think my rudeness came out in, but it's more likely that I was being short, which is not the same.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22288950 - 09/25/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Another one, so soon? jcop are you secretly behind all this?
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You said you were familiar with my posts, I expect you would know that I leave a trail of meltdowns in my wake. 
I was waiting for this glad you sorted it out thought
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
#22288973 - 09/25/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah. Never read too far into em though. By the time it started getting bad I was like. Ft let's find another. And another. Lol. Nah I'm good bro. I'm sure u can find and fix any problems u may have with people. Not my business. Anyway. About this drytub meow. How are we gonna help this guy. I kinda get where your coming from. But if done properly would you really have to mist that offen. I mean does the.size of tub play a roll in drying.out? Or hole size?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22288983 - 09/25/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: OK dude. U obviously only log on here to ridicule and talk shit to people so I'm not.gonna argue with you.But whatever dude you always win I've seen your post.
Where does this particular perception of me come from though? I mean, seriously, look at my posts, just in this thread, let alone most others. Ridicule only makes up, at most, like 5% of my posts, and even then it's still helpful at least indirectly.
You're not the only one that thinks that though, it's tons of people. I get to the point of legitimately worrying that maybe all these people are right and the people who are otherwise nice just play along because I'm some kind of circus attraction they keep around for laughs. I guess I like my humor offensive but I never expect people to actually get offended, no matter how many times they do.
Again, too high for this.
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vagblast said: Yeah. Never read too far into em though. By the time it started getting bad I was like. Ft let's find another. And another. Lol. Nah I'm good bro. I'm sure u can find and fix any problems u may have with people. Not my business. Anyway. About this drytub meow. How are we gonna help this guy. I kinda get where your coming from. But if done properly would you really have to mist that offen. I mean does the.size of tub play a roll in drying.out? Or hole size?
Well most would agree that while you're getting your tub dialed and for other potential reasons, you want to err on the side of FAE, rather than humidity, and compensate for that with misting. Open air grows fruit great with enough misting, but no FAE grows can't really be salvaged so easily. So yeah, hole size, poly tightness, fans in room, climate, room size, etc, would all affect how often someone might need to mist a mono, even after they've dialed it as well as they can. So rather than "never mist unless you have to", it seems easier, and a little more direct, to just say "mist unless you don't have to". That way it sounds less like pressing the doomsday button.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289006 - 09/25/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129
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The thing to remember(which is something i find misunderstood) is that the most important humidity you have is surface humidity, in other words it really doesn't matter if your fc has a rh of 40% or 99% as long as there is room for evaporation to take place the humidity that is important sits on the surface.
This is our goal with every fruiting chamber we use is surface humidity, with our monotubs we dial them in to achieve this, with our sgfc's we mist as needed to achieve this, with our gh's we (depending on your set up)use something like an ultrasonic humidifier as a timed mister to achieve this because once we have this we can focus on fae which is a great tool for everything your substrate wants for many reasons, the more the better
The reason we grow in a high humidity environment is simple, mushrooms have no skin and lose moisture to the environment very easily and if they lose more then is being pumped in they simply die. This is an easy fix just simply misting your fruits.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22105120
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22289009 - 09/25/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah. Yeah. Well put sir. I guess what u said just now would have.been better than this whole ordeal we went through. I mean I'm not trying.to be.rude but that last post u proved my words indifferent in a very polite way who no one I think would get offended. If that's what everyone.says about.you then maybe.you mean well but just word it rude as hell non intentionally.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289016 - 09/25/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look at that. Mad man to the rescue. Nice dude. Its going in my notes.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289019 - 09/25/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't have an immediate thoughtless reaction to something like everybody else before I become super reasonable? I don't like to sit in front of a post and think about what would be BEST to say for 5 minutes before I get to typing. I really did just say the same thing in less words the first time around. Seriously go look at it.
I also can't be bothered to put more effort into communicating with someone than they are, so sometimes I let things shit the bed on purpose because might as well have fun with it if it's going downhill anyway. I didn't do that here, it's pretty easy to prevent, incidentally. You're right though I do tend to test people. I dunno that I intend to stop.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22289097 - 09/25/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find this debate hilarious in a completely different way than the meltdowns
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22289108 - 09/25/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I read over it. I did kinda jump the gun. I mean it looked worse reading.it once the other guys more so than urs. But nah man. I'm good. Hope your good. My mushies are good. Ha in read ur threads man. Fuckin meltdowns for sure you wasn't lieing! Lol. I like how jcopp agged everything on too. Haha! Funny stuff bro.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289138 - 09/25/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really like Inoc for some reason. I'm starting to like you too vagblast. You see, sometimes ppl just don't get along and it's just misunderstanding 90% of the time. It's even easier to get something the wrong way on the internet, so   for both of you for getting over your shit
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
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When you log on to the shroomery the #1 thing you gotta do is don't give a shit. I used to picture little smilie faces, or tits when people post to try not to get butt hurt. Some people just don't use emoticons, and like Inoc, get to the point. If you don't understand what/why some one is saying shit, shroomery or Google shit. Like jute nets
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
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Ha cool. I need more friends man. I don't.wanna have enemy's. That's not cool. I fucked up last time I was on here and want to do better by my fellow shroomists Now.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289183 - 09/25/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm getting the same vibes too. Just not gonna give a shit anymore and do my best to help while reciveing.help myself like this thread. I learned something.new about.misting monos.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289354 - 09/25/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Yeah I'm getting the same vibes too. Just not gonna give a shit anymore and do my best to help while reciveing.help myself like this thread. I learned something.new about.misting monos.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22289407 - 09/25/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep the sub glistening. Didn't think that it needed to be glistening all the time. Thought.that was too wet. So when its not.glistening I should give it a psssst pssssst done right?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289478 - 09/25/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is how it should look, if it looks excessively dry then yea mist, but you shoupdnt have to if you dial in the poly correctly.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: mushpunx]
#22289568 - 09/25/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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See to me that looks too wet. I was always under the impression very visible large water drops nearly pooling like that's was too much. But hey I'll try it a few different ways see how it turns out. My minis usually have visable drops much smaller then urs I mean almost to where they're barely visible. I'll have to just take.some pixs and post em soon trying to unpack my stuff in my new house still.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: mushpunx] 1
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I haven't been here long, but I love this place, I learn something new everyday. A lot of intelligent, very cool like minded people on here. People are going to disagree on things, thats part of it, having interesting intelligent discussions. I understand that it is easy to take it personal and take people wrong. We all probably get frustrated from time to time, but I like to think it is never anyone's intentions to make anyone else feel stupid, they are just trying to prove their point. Even though I have to admit it is entertaining to watch a full blown meltdown, I really don't want to see anyone get banned and miss out on this wonderful community and all it has to offer, and possibly what we could give back.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289577 - 09/25/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those drops are sliiightly large but they aren't quite pooling yet.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22289582 - 09/25/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'll try it put. I'll mist one. I have 4. So I'll play around a little.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast]
#22289653 - 09/25/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a sub has no beads of moisture it is too dry, period, especially considering no further evaporation can take place and depending on where your tub is along the fruiting process, this could be absolutely detrimental to pinning. A flux of beads just suggests once can and should up the FAE, which is a great situation to be in, because that bead evaporation that the increased FAE will cause is THE major pinning trigger- surface evaporation is THE major pinning trigger. If your sub, for whatever reason, is lacking in moisture beads then place them there simply through misting, then evaporate the moisture with FAE. Rinse and repeat a few times a day til you achieve, through good genetics and a little luck, the results you see in my Journal.
Set and forget tubs do great for noobs, as they themselves are largely removed from the equation, wherein if they were present they would almost certainly do more harm than good.
Once I learned how to properly mist and then adjust my poly for ideal FAE/evaporation without drying it out, my dialed in and babied tubs have always outperformed by set and forget tubs. That said, depending on your RH, it's also possible to set and forget/dial in your tub in such a way that you get optimal results without having to touch it, but I'm sure many of the noobs who are doing set and forget with great success are finding that success due to A) luck, B) cubes resiliency, and C) the fact they're not fucking their own grow up by meddling. This doesn't necessarily mean set and forget is better than manual misting/fanning. Different strokes for different folks. An experienced grower who knows what cubes need and how things should look can pull off either with great results.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22290030 - 09/25/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea dude I find my tubs are dialed in just perfect when there is very small droplets everywhere except right in front of the bottom poly, then I know I can't give it anymore FAE. Without starting to dry the sub.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: mushpunx]
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So is my tub doomed? The only yellow spots are where water had pooled. I removed the water by tilting the tub but the spots remained. How could it be full of bacteria if it fully colonized and consolidated without contam? I properly pasteurized too..
Guys, whether or not I'm supposed to be misting, my substrate is indeed drying up. I made the substrate depth quite thin, maybe 2'' max. However I've fruited on even thinner substrates that I didn't even mist. But they didn't dry out this fast for some reason. I mean it's really fucking dry already. Do you think it will even pin? What's the longest a monotub has sat before fruiting?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22290294 - 09/25/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look I already said, metabolites don't exist for no reason, there's bacteria. You can't see every single bacterium can you? It's probably in small amounts all throughout the substrate, just enough to get the mycelium upset. If it's drying up mist it more. That's all you can do. Like I said originally, it kinda looks like it wants to make a few pins, but maybe it won't. It can take a month before a tub pins if it really wants to hold out on you.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22290337 - 09/25/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Look I already said, metabolites don't exist for no reason, there's bacteria. You can't see every single bacterium can you? It's probably in small amounts all throughout the substrate, just enough to get the mycelium upset. If it's drying up mist it more. That's all you can do. Like I said originally, it kinda looks like it wants to make a few pins, but maybe it won't. It can take a month before a tub pins if it really wants to hold out on you.
Click this link. Read a little and then scroll back up and click the link that this lick originally linked you to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20648543#20648543
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
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Somethinh isn't right man
A lot of times a tub will colonize just fine without showing any signs of contam, in cases of like trich it will show up when you fruit the tub, when it gets FAE.
Bulk substrates don't need to consolidate like cakes do BTW, you can fruit right at 100%
As far as bacteria goes, it might not show so many obvious signs of contamination, I could see how it wouldnt pin if if was bad enough, but lots of bacterial subs will fruit and do alright. Does it smell OK?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: azur]
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Inocuole said: Look I already said, metabolites don't exist for no reason, there's bacteria. You can't see every single bacterium can you? It's probably in small amounts all throughout the substrate, just enough to get the mycelium upset. If it's drying up mist it more. That's all you can do. Like I said originally, it kinda looks like it wants to make a few pins, but maybe it won't. It can take a month before a tub pins if it really wants to hold out on you.
Click this link. Read a little and then scroll back up and click the link that this lick originally linked you to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20648543#20648543
Whatever you happen to say, I don't believe that it happens for no reason. There's either organisms that trigger the response or there aren't and there's no response. In your case it could be killing the bacteria you leave in by pasteurizing, but there is definitely bacteria there.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22290384 - 09/25/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no idea what anyone in here is even talking about anymore. This thread was mostly a shit show and now it's not. I should have just linked this
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: azur]
#22308230 - 09/29/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, it started pinning. I'll upload a few pics later but it's really nothing special, a few little pins popping up. They're all side pins though, which has never happened before. I stopped using a liner and got nice flushes, lots of side pins which I don't mind, the more the merrier.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
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Side pins are there because the conditions on the surface arent quite right. I like to use thick liners but if you are a boss at dialing in you can get nice pinsets without them.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: mushpunx]
#22311613 - 09/29/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, my attempt to do something useful with my pathetic life has turned out a near-total failure so far. Now that the water has dried up, the substrate looks a lot worse, just like everyone told me. I am sorry for doubting your replies for even a second. I'm not sure if this patch is green or blue, but the yellow is definitely there to stay. Is this yellow stuff any type of identifiable usual contam, or simply dried metabolites like you said, stemming from an internal, unseen contamination? Two of my tubs got hit hard with green today, I was shocked to see them going from snow-white to lime-green overnight, and my motivation to keep trying has taken another toll.
   
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
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relsseS said: Well, my attempt to do something useful with my pathetic life has turned out a near-total failure so far. Now that the water has dried up, the substrate looks a lot worse, just like everyone told me. I am sorry for doubting your replies for even a second. I'm not sure if this patch is green or blue, but the yellow is definitely there to stay. Is this yellow stuff any type of identifiable usual contam, or simply dried metabolites like you said, stemming from an internal, unseen contamination? Two of my tubs got hit hard with green today, I was shocked to see them going from snow-white to lime-green overnight, and my motivation to keep trying has taken another toll.
    
Damn Would bacteria hiding in the spawn cause it to not fruit then?
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