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relsseS
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My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up.
#22284155 - 09/24/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay this is the second time this has happened and I'm stumped. My jars colonized beautifully, and I let them consolidate. I dunk the grains, and mix them into my pasteurized bulk sub (coir/verm), and the monotub colonizes beautifully as well. I also let this consolidate. Everything seems picture perfect. When I expose my tub to fruiting conditions (temp drops to mid-70s, 100% RH, I mist and fan daily and keep humidity up as much as possible.
It's been two weeks and still no fruits, and my substrate is beginning to dry out and shrink up as you can see in the pictures. I do know that my substrate is too thin (only about 2.5in) but I've fruited before with even thinner substrates in less-than-optimal conditions and gotten fat cubes (see signature pics) so I know it's possible.
I used g2g jars that were cloned from the healthiest multispore jars I had.
This is the second monotub that has gone through this. The last one sat in my room long after it dried out, and about a month later fruited a couple cubes randomly, even though the substrate was bone-dry. There was never any contamination even after I tossed it out and checked the inside of the substrate block.
What am I doing wrong, besides the thin substrate? My grains and bulk subs colonize fully and are consolidated and are exposed to perfect fruiting conditions. Plenty of humidity, FAE, light/dark cycles. They never fucking fruit and instead die a slow, painful death of drying up after several weeks.
I see knots forming in the substrate, but this happened before and got no fruits. I'm beginning to think this just isn't for me...
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22284213 - 09/24/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you not... misting them when they're dry? That looks bacterial as hell though. It does look like it's trying to pin. From the look of it it's actually too wet. Your top poly is a little loose too.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22284272 - 09/24/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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relsseS
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
#22284290 - 09/24/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The yellow is just piss. Where water pooled up, that happened. Also I took this picture right after misting because it dries very fast.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22284301 - 09/24/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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relsseS said: The yellow is just piss. Where water pooled up, that happened. Also I took this picture right after misting because it dries very fast.
It's not "just piss". Yellow secretions like that are usually antibiotic metabolites that the mycelium releases to combat an infection. It wouldn't just do it because of water since mycelium loves getting rained on just fine. Notice the mycelium also has a "fluffy ball" kind of morphology going on? Pretty classic reaction to a bacterial infection. Perhaps pooling water exacerbated it but the problem existed before then.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22284509 - 09/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said Inoc.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22284781 - 09/24/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't consolidate bulk jars or tubs once they have reached 100%. Look at frankhorrigan mono tek.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: LsDreamin]
#22284857 - 09/24/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rob207 said: You don't consolidate bulk jars or tubs once they have reached 100%. Look at frankhorrigan mono tek.
You definitely can. I consolidate my tubs at 100 percent often, especially my Penis Envy.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22284893 - 09/24/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Usually you wouldn't want to let the spawn jars consolidate, but letting the bulk tubs consolidate is never a bad option. Same principle as cakes, just in bulk.
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relsseS
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22284975 - 09/24/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So this is guaranteed ruined then? Contamination?
Also, I read that the evaporation of water on substrate is a pinning trigger, and after that point, misting directly on the substrate was bad?
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22285023 - 09/24/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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relsseS said: misting directly on the substrate was bad?
That's definitely outdated info...also, but this is just me thinking and I can be wrong: If you mist too much, you might actually not allow for evaporation to take place, but let some1 more experienced comment on this
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: jcop]
#22285155 - 09/24/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not misting too much though..
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: relsseS]
#22285288 - 09/24/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It looks like it's still trying to pin. Give it a little longer. It won't yield great but it looks like it still wants to try to produce something.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22285713 - 09/24/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never mist a mono tub. Unless just after harvesting. IF it.looks dry. I have gone three flushes on some of.my mini Mono's without misting. I don't.ever mist at all anymore though. No need.too. by the third flush they're spent anyway.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast] 1
#22286011 - 09/24/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mist a monotub ANYTIME it looks dry.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: Inocuole]
#22286159 - 09/24/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22286169 - 09/24/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Consolidation. Ha. Who has time for that shit? Not me. Nope. Never. Besides, they fruit WHEN THEY WANT TO. OP, either you've got a non fruiting culture or it's so heavy with bacteria it ain't doing shit. Probably the latter.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: azur]
#22286916 - 09/25/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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azur said: Consolidation. Ha. Who has time for that shit? Not me. Nope. Never. Besides, they fruit WHEN THEY WANT TO. OP, either you've got a non fruiting culture or it's so heavy with bacteria it ain't doing shit. Probably the latter.
I've noticed the PE you sent me fruits even if I don't introduce fruiting conditions..it does indeed have it's own schedule and could give fuck all what I tell it to do.
I do have some genetics though that won't fruit til I tell them to, and to indeed benefit from consolidation.
I'm not growing to beat any weight records, so I don't mind a little consolidation here and there if it beefs up my first flush. I just love full canopies.
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Never mist a mono tub

Mist a mono if it looks dry. I also HAVE to mist in the summer because I jack of the fae to keep trich down due to the high temps. I also HAVE to mist in the winter because my RH gets so low. Never mist a monotub is a rather odd statement to make. If I dialed mine in so I didn't have to mist, I'd have no FAE...which would suck...so misting is quite often necessary to get a good flush.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#22288795 - 09/25/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. I don't.understand why you people like to quote so much crap and try and make someone look stupid when y'all didn't.even read.my post. I said to mist when It looks dry! Go ahead. Look at it again people.
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Re: My monotubs don't fruit, and dry up. [Re: vagblast] 1
#22288802 - 09/25/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Never mist a mono tub. Unless just after harvesting. IF it.looks dry.
That's two qualifiers, not one. Try again.
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