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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #22294274 - 09/26/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There is some educational path that will fulfill you, I'm sorry you haven't found it yet.





That's just the thing though. There's not. I LOVE science. More than anything. I just HATE biochemistry. Chemistry would deviate too far from what I enjoy and biology curriculum isn't that different from biochem. What it comes down to is the fact that standardized materials leads to standard students. Not exceptional students. College is great for someone who is still figuring out what options there are or someone who's just trying to land a job. But I'm neither of those. I know what I love. I know what questions I need to be asking next. I've spent these past several months I've been out of school studying every waking minute. I spent half my trip to the Caribbean with my family in my room reading literature on inflammatory cascades. I would wake up at 6:30 in the morning while my gf got ready for work and grab some caffeine and read literature on the microbiome. Every time a question popped into my head, no matter where i was, I would pull out my phone and jump on to NCBI and dive in head first. If i ever got frustrated or overwhelmed I would remember that I could put it down with no consequence. I would go and learn how to play guitar and then sure enough I would feel the absence of science and come running back refreshed and ready for more.

Since i started up school again all I want to do is get high. I wake up in a bitter attitude, have a bitter attitude all day, and I go to sleep baked as fuck to try and simulate some sort of emotional balance. I don't read science on my own anymore because my energy is constantly sapped. It's constantly being used on things like physics homework and biochem. At this point biochemistry is entirely redundant as I've been learning how to transform plasmids for like 3 semesters despite the fact that everyone knows like less than 1% of the students give a shit about biochem and are just using it as a way to get into med school or for competitive leverage for other scientific careers. So why are we being tested so hard on things that don't apply to all of us? Why is there very little emphasis on independent study and cooperative studies/multidisciplinary discussions as opposed to competitive regurgitation of standardized materials? I understand exposure. Exposure to biochem is essential for anyone in life sciences. Same with physics. Same with organic chem. Etc. But there's a big difference between stimulating students thinking along a broad area of disciplines and making them commit every goddamn second of their life to nitty gritty details that most of them will never use again. I don't mind showing up to a biochem lecture and learning something I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. It helps me broaden my horizons when I'm problem solving my own materials. But I don't want to be forced to bring it back home with me and replace the materials I actually care about for some vague promise that if i do this now, maybe one day in the future I can do the thing I love. Smells like a trap to me. If i needed to know more biochem or physics as it applies to my interests I will take that up on my own because it would be... my interests... and my interests fuel me. And it's unfortunate because my career options in this field are most certainly limited without walking down the pre-carved path first. I get that. But after decades of playing this game and not being happy you have to start thinking about where you're going to put your foot down because you don't have any guarantee that it's ever going to get better.

I don't mean this to bitch about my own issues. I'm just expressing my experience on the matter because I just think it's a real problem to keep pushing this idea that "education" = "success". It's not necessarily helpful to the student or society. After a year of constant doctors visits I have a clear idea that standard education has done little for many of them. None of them could figure out what's wrong with me nor did they even seem to have any clue where to start. After getting into the literature myself I saw clear associations between my symptoms which can be easily treated and am currently working with another more passionate doctor who agrees with my hypothesis to resolve them. Point being I think in a few years time of following my own path fueled by my true passion and networking with other experienced people I could contribute more to the field than the ones who've beaten down the standard path trying to blow up their resume and compete for job opportunities. I mean, could you imagine if a PhD in music was required to be in a recognized band? I don't know about you, but I'd rather listen to the bands made of drop-out stoners who've been experimenting with and tweaking the physics of sound in creative manners their whole lives. Not the ones who got the job because because they demonstrated the best knowledge of classical theory in front of a group of professors after 8 years of slaving away and got a stamp of approval added to their name. Not to say it couldn't help some students make more beautiful music... But is it better seen as a qualification? Or simply supplemental aid to those who need it?

Having a degree might broaden your chances at getting a job in some cases. But it doesn't necessarily make you better at your job. Or happier at your job. And in some job circles, that might not fly as well. Like my music example. Whether or not to get a degree is a really personal choice and I don't think there is any right or wrong answer, but I do think that it shouldn't come at the expense of ones happiness because that is the very thing that fuels creativity and productivity.


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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #22294326 - 09/26/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Solution: get a degree that has lots of job opportunities.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #22294348 - 09/26/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think there may be a correlation with your pot use and burn-out? I know there was for me... When did your lack of interest in Science start and when did you start smoking more heavily? What other life events or changes surrounds your changing interest levels?

Weed isn't so much a refresher, it's extra shit that stresses your neurobiology.

Let me ask you a better question: What do you see yourself doing, if not a science based degree? If the answer is "nothing" you're probably smoking too much weed. If the answer is "i don't know", you're a little better off.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22294353 - 09/26/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He is probably super burnt out from frying on acid and smoking weed all the time.

He probably doesn't wanna put in the hard work college takes. He probably just wants to dick around and do drugs.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22294379 - 09/26/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

but things aren't so black and white. Is he burnt out because of drugs, or did he go to drugs because he was burned out?

Correlation does not equal causation.

I agree both are negative, but it implies two very different means of finding change (both require putting down drugs for a bit though).


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Giftofdeprivation] * 1
    #22294389 - 09/26/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude he probably just went to college and realized that he actually had to put in work and it is not all smoking weed and getting high on drugs and just gave up.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22294403 - 09/26/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Could be. I can't profess to know based on these posts alone. He'd have to paint us a picture about how he came to fall out of interest.

Honestly BC, I am playing devil's advocate to your ideas to promote these guys to think more critically about their issues, but they definitely need to hear what you are saying and it very well could apply to them in some degree. Just saying, but you definitely are taking my opposition well.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Giftofdeprivation]
    #22294501 - 09/26/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just had an interesting exam, it was called psychology of happiness and this is where those know-it-all academic dickheads told me the majority of what I posted here.
Most people aren't happier without education.
I don't post to reach anyone, some things about happiness are considered fact by lots of scientists that went to school for 12+ years.
Idiots, could have done that in two years as well.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #22294781 - 09/26/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Living in Florida, I always thought it'd be fun to try and start a spore business. Just make spore syringes from shrooms I pick and sell them online. I know it would not be enough to support me but it'd be interesting to see how much I made from it.

But go ahead bitter cactus, tell me how dumb that is LOL


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22294796 - 09/26/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'll tell you how dumb it is. The market is pretty much tapped and you'd probably make about $400 a year max. That's a good hobby though :shrug:


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22298704 - 09/27/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea ok


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22298796 - 09/27/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea ok



Prove me wrong, Einstein.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22298872 - 09/27/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Drop outs are missing something that someone with a degree has.




I think I know what they might be missing! A degree. Is that it? It is isn't it?


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #22298902 - 09/27/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
Quote:

Anonymous said:
Yea ok



Prove me wrong, Einstein.




I don't have to, that is one of the glories of sitting behind a keyboard.

I guess at the end of the day it's a lesson that I have to learn myself. Until I see for myself, that itch will be there.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22298909 - 09/27/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Broader perspectives and harsh realizations are coming, my friend. Good luck.


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Re: Should I drop out of college? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #22300112 - 09/27/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think the short answer is yes, if you want to drop out of college you should drop out of college.  I don't think there's any point being there if you're not getting some sense of personal development out of it, and you are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice to stay.

Try to leave on good terms.  Like since I am assuming this semester just started, and it is likely now past the final add/drop day, really put in the work to finish this semester.  That way if you decide to go back, and trust me you likely will want to at some point, you will not have screwed yourself over and wasted a bunch of money.

If you can't handle finishing off that one semester, you probably should seek counseling and quit doing drugs, and this is another thing you're just going to have to trust me on, drinking and smoking won't help you escapre from your depression.  There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to buckle down and complete one semester of college, and if you regret your decisions later you will only have yourself to blame.


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