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monotub one jar of spawn
    #22283565 - 09/24/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey I'm back originally posted http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22238908 'Less Spawn More Shrooms' .

I fruited the tub too early and its only fruiting on the side so far but ive pulled off 163.54 gs wet from 6 fruits so theres definitely good signs going forward once it finishes colonzing.

Now i  have another 2 tubs going both have a 1/2 to 2/3 pint of spawn if them. Since I pulled off way more then I would have from a cake on my first tub I figured I'd try again with less spawn and a more nutritious substrate.

I mixed roughly 20lbs of manure with a bag of coffee (vanilla flavored that's all I had), 1/2 cup of tea leaves and worm castings (bird food). Then i seperated the mix into 2 tubs (2-3 inch thickness) and mixed a jar of spawn into each of them taped the holes and cover them with blankets.

I'm going to let them go until they're fully colonized and hopefully theyll turn out just as good if not better than the last tube which is still trucking (hopefully to another 3-5 hundred grams wet :-) on the first flush)


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22283654 - 09/24/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why not just use less substrate? Spawn mini mono tubs or trays?

The lowest amount of spawn I ever use in a full size tub is 3 quarts, I usually go 5.
I dont think its worth it to go lower than that


Oh, don't cover them with blankets its un nessasarg


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
    #22283972 - 09/24/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The blankets are to keep them in the dark and the tubs produce more fruits since theres more overall nutrients. I'm looking at the spawn like a seed and the substrate as the fruit flesh for nutrients like in plants. A mini tub or trays wouldn't produce as much just like a cake wouldn't produce as much as a monotub.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22284313 - 09/24/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

lol
i used to cover my tubs in blankets
5 years ago
lets not forget the tape


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22284468 - 09/24/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All my older tubs still have the tape on them! Gorilla glue is some sticky shit. :thumbup:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22284493 - 09/24/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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lol
i used to cover my tubs in blankets
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lets not forget the tape





Same. It's interesting how the way things are done evolves over time.

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All my older tubs still have the tape on them! Gorilla glue is some sticky shit. :thumbup:




I used to use the same shit, was expensive a bitch to get off. I use clear packing tape now. It comes off without any hassle, and leaves no residue. It sticks even with the moisture from the colonizing substrate. I've tried a lot of tapes, and clear packing tape is the best I've found.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22284523 - 09/24/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah. Note to self.
Leave the shroomery for 5 years.... Dont expect any information to be worth a damn coming back :lol:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22284664 - 09/24/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Once I get over 2 kgs wet from my first tub then the info will be worth a damn



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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22284679 - 09/24/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

2 kgs?
i did well over that on my first set of bulk tubs


i dont kow anything though
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22284728 - 09/24/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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2 kgs?
i did well over that on my first set of bulk tubs


i dont kow anything though
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22285772 - 09/24/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The blankets are to keep them in the dark and the tubs produce more fruits since theres more overall nutrients. I'm looking at the spawn like a seed and the substrate as the fruit flesh for nutrients like in plants. A mini tub or trays wouldn't produce as much just like a cake wouldn't produce as much as a monotub.





Hey man if you can get a good yeild using that low of a spawn ratio more power to you dude

There is no point in keeping spawn, or bulk substrates in the dark. Light has been shown to be beneficial at all stages, colonizing in the dark is out dated info


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
    #22285777 - 09/24/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

a blanket would warm up a tub and trap more co2, no?


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22285803 - 09/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I guess if you have temp problems it might keep it a little warmer , he said it was to keep them in the dark.

I used to keep my tubs in trash bags until someone told me you don't need to


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
    #22285830 - 09/24/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

haha
i did that too


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
    #22285852 - 09/24/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Having such a low spawn ratio with a nutritious sub could contaminate very easy, but whatever works for you, always up for checking out ppls experiments and hope the best for you :thumbup:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22286925 - 09/25/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You want to reach full colonize of your substrate in a relatively quick manor(which a substantial spawn ratio accomplishes), especially if you're working with pasteurized poo/straw/coffee, so that that block of sub becomes contam resistant as fast as possible. Coir/verm/gyp is a little more forgiving in this regards, but still, why chance it?



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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #22287168 - 09/25/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You want to reach full colonize of your substrate in a relatively quick manor(which a substantial spawn ratio accomplishes), especially if you're working with pasteurized poo/straw/coffee, so that that block of sub becomes contam resistant as fast as possible. Coir/verm/gyp is a little more forgiving in this regards, but still, why chance it?





:whathesaid: very well put sir.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22287534 - 09/25/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

More sh rooms less work :stoned:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22287565 - 09/25/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As said before I would have split this up into a bunch of smaller projects. This is a lot to colonize, and chances of contaminations are very high. It's bad to put all your eggs in 1 basket so to speak.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715 This equates to 1 qt of spawn:10-12 qts of manure (1:10-1:12 spawn ratio). It's definitely not for everyone, especially noobs, but it seems casings really help improve my yields when doing such low spawn ratios.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22287767 - 09/25/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im not putting all of my eggs in one basket.. just one egg :rolleyes:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
    #22287775 - 09/25/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The ratio of spawn to fruit would be way lower than mine though..which is the whole point of this thread :rolleyes:


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22287832 - 09/25/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not putting all of my eggs in one basket.. just one egg :rolleyes:



And that 1 egg could have been split into a bunch of smaller eggs.. so technically yes you're putting your potential eggs into 1 basket.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22288077 - 09/25/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How?

Split the spawn substrate mix into different smaller tubs?

What would be the purpose?


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22288093 - 09/25/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

move along
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22288161 - 09/25/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What would be the purpose?



This is what I am wondering, a quart jar of WBS is about 25 cents, you can g2g that to 10 more jars for a whopping grand total of 2.50$ What are we saving here? Sorry if I am missing something.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22288173 - 09/25/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:huxleyfacepalm:
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22288214 - 09/25/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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How?

Split the spawn substrate mix into different smaller tubs?

What would be the purpose?




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On Fri Jul 17 2015 08:31 AM, Mad Season said:
Good question :smile: there's a ridiculous amount of upsides to fruiting trays in monos over just using a mono.

One of them being I can test a lot of stuff in a limited space. Also with so much going on I get way more experience from doing so many small trays as opposed to a few big tubs.

Contaminations like trich or cobweb can get isolated in a small tray as opposed to a whole tub. That's a major plus to me because I am losing WAY less. I'd rather lose 3 qts of sub over 12+.

Dirty spawn can be isolated and tested. By doing so I have been able to show how much bacteria can effect yields.


Can you guess which one made which?



Each tray gets filled with 2-3 qts of substrate to make 3 inches, and a half a quart of spawn. I fruit them in 105 qt monos. That's 8-12 qts of substrate and 2 qts of spawn per tub to make the 4 trays. That's like half the materials used to make a 105 qt tub. Which is 18-22 qts with at least 5 qts of spawn.

You also don't even need 4 trays in the tub. I've fruited with 1 tray in the tub that fits 4 trays lol. Just gotta mist a little more and have top holes filled. Normally I have half the top holes open. I like to case them too. I've noticed a big difference with casings on a low spawn ratio.



This is what I do. Trays in a mono. This came from the lowest spawn ratio I've ever done. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715

So overall I use half the amount of substrate that would be needed to make a tub, so I could split it into 2 tubs. I have a lot less to lose if I see a contamination, I get more yield due to the spread surface area of the split substrates, and it's much more convenient to always have tubs dialed in for fruiting. This is just my opinions on if you want to see some success.

But yeah in terms of cost and success, do high spawn ratios.. it's not hard at all and costs next to nothing.



P.S. this same principle applies to mini monos. It's just much more obvious with trays in monos. This is just what I developed to suit my needs :P


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: Mad Season]
    #22288698 - 09/25/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I really like that you can fit 4 trays in a tub. I wanna find some that fit!

Looks useful for testing isolates too, Ill usually end up with 8 or so isolates out of a culture that need to then get tested, this way you could get them all in 2 tubs!


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22288709 - 09/25/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Time..

You can only fit so many jars in the pc to sterilize

Storage Space..

You can only hold so many jars in the pantry, cubboard or closet


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22288741 - 09/25/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

that could only fit a single quart jar layed on its side
haha. But an upgrade to a 60$ Presto. 23qts or the AA . That's about the same size can fit 10 quart jars in a cycle.


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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
    #22288902 - 09/25/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Time..

You can only fit so many jars in the pc to sterilize

Storage Space..

You can only hold so many jars in the pantry, cubboard or closet



Ok, I gotcha. And I feel you on storage, easy to underestimate how much space this hobby can take up. The wife's always bitching about stuff in the fridge and closet, lol. @ Mad- damn good idea dude:thumbup:


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