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kyoung757
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monotub one jar of spawn
#22283565 - 09/24/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey I'm back originally posted http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22238908 'Less Spawn More Shrooms' .
I fruited the tub too early and its only fruiting on the side so far but ive pulled off 163.54 gs wet from 6 fruits so theres definitely good signs going forward once it finishes colonzing.
Now i have another 2 tubs going both have a 1/2 to 2/3 pint of spawn if them. Since I pulled off way more then I would have from a cake on my first tub I figured I'd try again with less spawn and a more nutritious substrate.
I mixed roughly 20lbs of manure with a bag of coffee (vanilla flavored that's all I had), 1/2 cup of tea leaves and worm castings (bird food). Then i seperated the mix into 2 tubs (2-3 inch thickness) and mixed a jar of spawn into each of them taped the holes and cover them with blankets.
I'm going to let them go until they're fully colonized and hopefully theyll turn out just as good if not better than the last tube which is still trucking (hopefully to another 3-5 hundred grams wet :-) on the first flush)
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
#22283654 - 09/24/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not just use less substrate? Spawn mini mono tubs or trays?
The lowest amount of spawn I ever use in a full size tub is 3 quarts, I usually go 5. I dont think its worth it to go lower than that
Oh, don't cover them with blankets its un nessasarg
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Edited by mushpunx (09/24/15 12:32 PM)
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kyoung757
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
#22283972 - 09/24/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The blankets are to keep them in the dark and the tubs produce more fruits since theres more overall nutrients. I'm looking at the spawn like a seed and the substrate as the fruit flesh for nutrients like in plants. A mini tub or trays wouldn't produce as much just like a cake wouldn't produce as much as a monotub.
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
#22284313 - 09/24/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol i used to cover my tubs in blankets 5 years ago lets not forget the tape
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
#22284468 - 09/24/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All my older tubs still have the tape on them! Gorilla glue is some sticky shit.
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
#22284493 - 09/24/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: lol i used to cover my tubs in blankets 5 years ago lets not forget the tape

Same. It's interesting how the way things are done evolves over time.
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All my older tubs still have the tape on them! Gorilla glue is some sticky shit.
I used to use the same shit, was expensive a bitch to get off. I use clear packing tape now. It comes off without any hassle, and leaves no residue. It sticks even with the moisture from the colonizing substrate. I've tried a lot of tapes, and clear packing tape is the best I've found.
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yeah. Note to self. Leave the shroomery for 5 years.... Dont expect any information to be worth a damn coming back
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
#22284664 - 09/24/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once I get over 2 kgs wet from my first tub then the info will be worth a damn
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
#22284679 - 09/24/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 kgs? i did well over that on my first set of bulk tubs

i dont kow anything though shhhhh
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
#22284728 - 09/24/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: 2 kgs? i did well over that on my first set of bulk tubs

i dont kow anything though shhhhh
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
#22285772 - 09/24/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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kyoung757 said: The blankets are to keep them in the dark and the tubs produce more fruits since theres more overall nutrients. I'm looking at the spawn like a seed and the substrate as the fruit flesh for nutrients like in plants. A mini tub or trays wouldn't produce as much just like a cake wouldn't produce as much as a monotub.
Hey man if you can get a good yeild using that low of a spawn ratio more power to you dude
There is no point in keeping spawn, or bulk substrates in the dark. Light has been shown to be beneficial at all stages, colonizing in the dark is out dated info
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
#22285777 - 09/24/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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a blanket would warm up a tub and trap more co2, no?
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: blackdust]
#22285803 - 09/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I guess if you have temp problems it might keep it a little warmer , he said it was to keep them in the dark.
I used to keep my tubs in trash bags until someone told me you don't need to
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
#22285830 - 09/24/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha i did that too
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: mushpunx]
#22285852 - 09/24/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Having such a low spawn ratio with a nutritious sub could contaminate very easy, but whatever works for you, always up for checking out ppls experiments and hope the best for you
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
#22286925 - 09/25/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You want to reach full colonize of your substrate in a relatively quick manor(which a substantial spawn ratio accomplishes), especially if you're working with pasteurized poo/straw/coffee, so that that block of sub becomes contam resistant as fast as possible. Coir/verm/gyp is a little more forgiving in this regards, but still, why chance it?
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TheEaglesGift said: You want to reach full colonize of your substrate in a relatively quick manor(which a substantial spawn ratio accomplishes), especially if you're working with pasteurized poo/straw/coffee, so that that block of sub becomes contam resistant as fast as possible. Coir/verm/gyp is a little more forgiving in this regards, but still, why chance it?
very well put sir.
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kyoung757
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: NDStepp84]
#22287534 - 09/25/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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More sh rooms less work
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: kyoung757]
#22287565 - 09/25/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As said before I would have split this up into a bunch of smaller projects. This is a lot to colonize, and chances of contaminations are very high. It's bad to put all your eggs in 1 basket so to speak.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21805715 This equates to 1 qt of spawn:10-12 qts of manure (1:10-1:12 spawn ratio). It's definitely not for everyone, especially noobs, but it seems casings really help improve my yields when doing such low spawn ratios.
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kyoung757
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Re: monotub one jar of spawn [Re: Mad Season]
#22287767 - 09/25/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not putting all of my eggs in one basket.. just one egg
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