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The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. * 5
    #22283395 - 09/24/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What in the fuck is wrong with these people


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283402 - 09/24/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

damn thats pretty big loss of life musta been a hell of a mess. praise allah.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws] * 9
    #22283440 - 09/24/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What in the fuck is wrong with these people



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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sunkeep] * 1
    #22283485 - 09/24/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dont these guys get a bunch of  young supple virgins now or something. Getting horrifically trampled must been like winning the lottery to them.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
    #22283491 - 09/24/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Supposedly thats what you get for worshiping a schizophrenic pedophile.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sunkeep]
    #22283516 - 09/24/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #22283624 - 09/24/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Muslims smh

Seriously these people are insane.... sadly these people are lost causes. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere outside their desert shithole. Maybe we can save the kids and secularize them but the asshole Muslim men should be kept isolated in the Middle East in their garbage culture and religion


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #22283656 - 09/24/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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What in the fuck is wrong with these people



That shit blew me away when I heard the counts.. and with the way it's been rising hour after hour, that isn't the final count.

And this is every time it happens.."the stoning of the devil"..I think they call it. 

I don't want to sound cold but I say just take a step back and let the problem "solve itself"..,if you know what I'm saying.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Amanita86]
    #22283678 - 09/24/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

savage as fuck


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283679 - 09/24/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I never said they did..:shitdude:


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #22283721 - 09/24/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They came, signed up, participated...and now people who didnt sign up for shit, but are solid enough people are now at risk trying to weed these fucking idiots out.  In this situation, "they" are the problem

Dont try and get fucking rightious with me..these fucking idiots should reap what they sew....this isnt a one time tragedy..people always die during this bullshit.  Reap what you sew.  Learn to be civil..


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Amanita86]
    #22283736 - 09/24/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And correct if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same place where the crane collapsed and killed 100 plus a couple weeks back?


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Janky Tits]
    #22283737 - 09/24/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Muslims smh

Seriously these people are insane.... sadly these people are lost causes. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere outside their desert shithole. Maybe we can save the kids and secularize them but the asshole Muslim men should be kept isolated in the Middle East in their garbage culture and religion



whoa man whoa, that's insulting to Muslims!


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283756 - 09/24/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't want to sound cold but I say just take a step back and let the problem "solve itself"..,if you know what I'm saying.



:shitdude:
The vast majority of people visiting Mecca have nothing to do with radical Islam...




I certainly do not wish death or harm on any person of any religion.

IMO though, anybody who grants legitimacy to a destructive religion like Islam by taking part in this stupid pilgrimage is a part of the problem.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22283777 - 09/24/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

dude i need notify the mods, this shit is insulting me.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22283814 - 09/24/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Actually you are 100% wrong.

Personally, my lack of respect for Islam has nothing to do with 9/11.

In fact, the U.S. has done way more damage to the middle east than those 15 saudi guys did to the U.S. on 9/11.

I think most people have a problem with the way Islam treats half of the people in the world.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/010-women-worth-less.htm

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Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?

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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283820 - 09/24/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The videos of them lighting people on fire, beheading, mass shootings into rivers, suicide bombings...things like that, probably didnt help their cause... not to mention the declarations of their intentions.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #22283846 - 09/24/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ISIS ≠ Islam


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Dilsnique]
    #22283862 - 09/24/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What a tragedy. 700+ dead on the Hajj :sad:


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Amanita86]
    #22283881 - 09/24/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



I realize Bacha bazi is not as common throughout the muslim world as it once was, but it is still pretty disgusting that it has become a part of the culture in the first place. Like the problems the catholic church has had, it is definitely a sign that there are some majorly sketchy things going on within the religion.

Of course, in Islam, women are not allowed to speak to any man who is not their husband, brother, or father.

So really it is not surprising that the religion of peace has created a culture where pederasty is common.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283893 - 09/24/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The videos of them lighting people on fire, beheading, mass shootings into rivers, suicide bombings...things like that, probably didnt help their cause... not to mention the declarations of their intentions.



You're talking about violent sects. Of which there are in every religion and every nation and every city for a matter of fact.
To try and dehumanize a group of people because a relatively small percent of their population was violent is so foolish to me. 14,827 Americans were murdered by other Americans in 2012; that's more than all the U.S. Military killed in the past 14 years...




Dude, even if their wasn't so much violence in the 'ummah', they still believe women are not as important as men.

How can you seriously be trying to defend such foolishness?


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283929 - 09/24/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I realize Bacha bazi is not as common throughout the muslim world as it once was, but it is still pretty disgusting that it has become a part of the culture in the first place. Like the problems the catholic church has had, it is definitely a sign that there are some majorly sketchy things going on within the religion.

Of course, in Islam, women are not allowed to speak to any man who is not their husband, brother, or father.

So really it is not surprising that the religion of peace has created a culture where pederasty is common.



It seems to be a human problem as it occurs in nearly every significant human population.




That is very true, but I can't think of another culture where it has reached that level of acceptance.

Even if they didn't ever molest children, they still believe that women are not equal to men.

Until they acknowledge that their religion is wrong about that, I will refuse to pretend like I have respect for silly muslim/allah fantasies.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283935 - 09/24/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

336 said:
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The videos of them lighting people on fire, beheading, mass shootings into rivers, suicide bombings...things like that, probably didnt help their cause... not to mention the declarations of their intentions.



You're talking about violent sects. Of which there are in every religion and every nation and every city for a matter of fact.
To try and dehumanize a group of people because a relatively small percent of their population was violent is so foolish to me. 14,827 Americans were murdered by other Americans in 2012; that's more than all the U.S. Military killed in the past 14 years...




Dude, even if their wasn't so much violence in the 'ummah', they still believe women are not as important as men.

How can you seriously be trying to defend such foolishness?



Lol and America and the majority of the western world doesn't? Look at the leaders of every nation.

There's only an average of 22% of women in parliaments/congresses across the world. And when it comes down to the number of Head of State or Head of Government or President the number only totals 24. Compare that to the hundreds of nations out there and you'll see that treating women as less important than men is one of the most common human practices. This is evident throughout nearly every culture's history as well. Minus some matrilineal societies such as that many of the Native American tribes practiced.




Soooo...because women are treated like shit in other places, we should pretend like Islam isn't a horrible religion?...makes sense :rolleyes:


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: Asante]
    #22283947 - 09/24/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Asante!


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22283958 - 09/24/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/

It says a lot about the religion when muslims don't even give a shit about each other.

All these muslim refugee don't even want to live in muslim countries anymore, they would all rather live in Europe than move to another muslim country.

Yeah, Islam is working out really well for everybody, definitely not an unusual amount of problems in muslim countries at all. Nope, the middle east is totally normal.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #22283994 - 09/24/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)





These people died from an infectious disease called Islam.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: koods]
    #22284021 - 09/24/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Islam is a death cult

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/24/timeline-of-tragedies-in-mecca-during-hajj
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24 September: At least 310 are killed and hundreds injured in a stampede in Mina, on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca.

11 September: In the lead-up to hajj, at least 107 people are killed and nearly 400 wounded when a crane collapses in bad weather, crashing on to the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Islam’s holiest site.

2006
12 January: More than 360 pilgrims are killed in a stampede in Mina,, where pilgrims carry out a symbolic stoning of the devil by throwing pebbles against three stone walls. The day before the hajj begins, an eight-storey building being used as a hostel near the Grand Mosque in Mecca collapsed, killing at least 73 people.

6 January: 76 people die when a hotel collapses in the city centre.

2005
22 January: Three pilgrims are crushed to death in a stampede at the stoning ceremony in Mina.

2004
1 February: A crush of pilgrims at Mina kills about 250 pilgrims and injures hundreds on the final day of the hajj ceremonies.

2003
11 February: 14 devotees, including six woken, die on the first day of the stoning ritual.

2001
5 March: A stampede at Mina during the final day of the pilgrimage ceremonies kills 35 hajj pilgrims.

1998
9 April: More than 118 people are killed and 180 injured in a stampede at Mina.

1997
15 April: 343 pilgrims are killed in a fire at the tent city of Mina as the blaze is aided by high winds. More than 1,500 are injured.

1994
24 May: 270 pilgrims are killed in a stampede during the stoning ritual at Mina, an incident authorities attribute to record numbers of pilgrims at the site.

1990
2 July: A huge stampede occurs in a tunnel at Mina after a failure in its ventilation system kills 1,426 pilgrims, mainly from Asia.

1989
10 July: A twin attack on the outside of the Grand Mosque kills one and wounds 16. Sixteen Kuwaiti Shias are found guilty of the crime and executed weeks later.

1987
31 July: Saudi security forces suppress an unauthorised protest held by Iranian pilgrims. More than 400 people, including 275 Iranians are killed, according to an official toll.

1979
20 November: Hundreds of gunmen opposed to the Saudi government barricade themselves inside the Grand Mosque, taking dozens of pilgrims hostage. The official toll of the assault and subsequent fighting is 153 people dead and 560 wounded.

1975
December: A huge fire started by a gas canister exploding in a pilgrim camp close to Mecca kills 200 people.




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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #22284029 - 09/24/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ha, it's funny, that is usually how people respond when you point out that their belief system is irrational. "FUCK YOU"

Lol, I actually have several friends who are muslim and they are really good people.

I know I sound like I am hating on muslims, but yes, most muslims are good people.

My only REAL issue with the religion, besides intolerance for women's rights, is that it takes itself way too seriously.

When people make fun of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. nobody gives a shit. Sure, people might get angry, but you don't see people seriously talking about starting wars.

That is what makes Islam different. When people make fun of Islam, it is like muslims really think a line has been crossed.

I am not a christian, but people make fun of christianity in the west ALL THE TIME. but in general the christians tolerate it.

It is only with Islam that killing a person for making fun of "allah" is often considered an acceptable response.

I am sorry if that makes me anti-muslim. I think every single muslim that wants out of the middle eastern meltdown should be allowed to immigrate to the US or Europe, under ONE CONDITION.-They should have to let somebody make fun of allah and islam to their face.

If they can react like a normal human being, and just say 'fuck you' or something, instead of starting a religious crusade of justice for the prophet, they should be allowed in the country. :lol:

If you can't deal with people insulting your beliefs, you don't deserve (and are not prepared) to live in the US or Europe.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: koods]
    #22284040 - 09/24/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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These people died from an infectious disease called Islam.



conflagrating won't work. just call it what it is, a misapprehension of logic.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22284041 - 09/24/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My only REAL issue with the religion, besides intolerance for women's rights, is that it takes itself way too seriously.

When people make fun of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. nobody gives a shit. Sure, people might get angry, but you don't see people seriously talking about starting wars.

That is what makes Islam different. When people make fun of Islam, it is like muslims really think a line has been crossed.

I am not a christian, but people make fun of christianity in the west ALL THE TIME. but in general the christians tolerate it.

It is only with Islam that killing a person for making fun of "allah" is often considered an acceptable response.





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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22284045 - 09/24/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ever argue with a Muslim about free speech? They always says shit like "I am totally in favor of free speech, but you can't criticize the prophet Muhammad. ”

Fuck Muhammed. His stupid religion is the worst human made disaster in history.


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    #22284074 - 09/24/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dude i need notify the mods, this shit is insulting me.



there seems to be a really blatant fuck em they should all die perspective that really makes me sad. zero consideration that these people are just living the life of that area, any one of us could be one of them really...

hard line to walk between free thoughts and speak and full on bigot blanket statements made in ignorance.

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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22284086 - 09/24/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's because we value free thought that we find Islam so repulsive.

I won't nor should anyone have any respect for an ideology that wouldn't waste a second repressing and killing you for being a free thinker.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: koods]
    #22284088 - 09/24/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ever argue with a Muslim about free speech? They always says shit like "I am totally in favor of free speech, but you can't criticize the prophet Muhammad. ”

Fuck Muhammed. His stupid religion is the worst human made disaster in history.




Truth. The entire religion is garbage. Mohammad was not a prophet, and IMO, any person that takes Islam seriously, is either poorly educated, brainwashed, or just silly. 

I bet I will get banned now, but if I said that about any other religion it would be fine. :rolleyes:


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    #22284095 - 09/24/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's because we value free thought that we find Islam so repulsive.




This. I've already stated that I wish absolutely no harm on muslims, and I would happily welcome all muslim immigrants into my country, as long as they can tolerate somebody making fun of their religion.

If you can't deal with people insulting your religion, that is your problem. Everybody else is not the problem.


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    #22284100 - 09/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Millions of people converge on a big box containing a meteorite. Fucking lunacy.


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    #22284109 - 09/24/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's because we value free thought that we find Islam so repulsive.

I won't nor should anyone have any respect for an ideology that wouldn't waste a second repressing and killing you for being a free thinker.





you are a little more articulate with your opinions and less offensive in your terminology then most though koods.


@ 336

yea we all are somewhere on the spectrum it just seems those less knowledgeable about topics are often the most vocal and the most zealous that there are no other perspective worth knowing other then their's, followed by blanket statement about how everyone else is a tard. :mmmkay:


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    #22284110 - 09/24/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dude i need notify the mods, this shit is insulting me.



there seems to be a really blatant fuck em they should all die perspective that really makes me sad. zero consideration that these people are just living the life of that area, any one of us could be one of them really...

hard line to walk between free thoughts and speak and full on bigot blanket statements made in ignorance.

who would have thought so many douche thoughts came from "free thinking" drug users.



Read any topic on this site about Latin Americans, illegal immigrants, Arabs, or Muslims. Its all the same.
There are a lot of ignorant and hateful people on this site; which definitely surprised me when I first signed up given that this is a site dedicated primarily to shrooms and psychedelics.

Just proved to me that psychedelics don't help everyone to see past the bullshit.




These issues are not all the same. Illegal immigrants from mexico have never said anybody who insults tacos should die.

Pretty different situations.


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    #22284116 - 09/24/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's because we value free thought that we find Islam so repulsive.

I won't nor should anyone have any respect for an ideology that wouldn't waste a second repressing and killing you for being a free thinker.



Lol @ your hypocrisy. You're criticizing some other group of people for not supporting the freedom of thought and yet that is exactly what you are doing. lol




OMG I'm so intolerant of intolerance. Shoot me. (That's what Islam says should happen to me)


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    #22284121 - 09/24/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Millions of people converge on a big box containing a meteorite. Fucking lunacy.



Millions of people pair up with the same gender when humans were obviously organically designed to pair up with the opposite sex.




And you should absolutely be able to say that, 336! Free speech!

But, if gay people said "Anybody who says something that disagrees with us should be punished", that would be a problem.

That is what Islam does all the time!


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    #22284134 - 09/24/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's because we value free thought that we find Islam so repulsive.

I won't nor should anyone have any respect for an ideology that wouldn't waste a second repressing and killing you for being a free thinker.



Lol @ your hypocrisy. You're criticizing some other group of people for not supporting the freedom of thought and yet that is exactly what you are doing. lol



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    #22284141 - 09/24/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i put it kind of like this....


i am a baptized Mormon, i am completely non practicing, it happened when i was a child.

here is the spectrum people like me who the church are still on occasion until they find out i am gay try to save me all the way to polygamist communities where old guys swap one another their 8 year old girls to add to their cadre of wives.

islam is the same way, relatively normal people practicing and full on crazies.

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    #22284158 - 09/24/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean yeah. Every group on earth has it's problems instead of trying to solve our problems we're always focused on demonizing everyone else for their problems. It's typical human behavior. Try and demean someone else in an effort to forget about your own problems and shortfalls.




I don't know, man. I'd say we demonize ourselves quite fine here in the states.


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    #22284160 - 09/24/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Millions of people converge on a big box containing a meteorite. Fucking lunacy.



Millions of people pair up with the same gender when humans were obviously organically designed to pair up with the opposite sex.




And you should absolutely be able to say that, 336! Free speech!

But, if gay people said "Anybody who says something that disagrees with us should be punished", that would be a problem.

That is what Islam does all the time!



Um that's pretty much what gay people are doing now. If anyone publicly comes out denouncing the practices and thoughts that gays have they are eaten alive in the media as close-minded homophobes.




A bunch of people calling somebody a bigot in the media for a few days/weeks is a little different than chopping a person's head off in a public square or stoning somebody to death...maybe not in your mind, but to most people it is a little different.


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #22284164 - 09/24/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

and it is true... who the hell hates gay people? how is them fucking the same gender anyone's business other then their own, it just doesn't make sense


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    #22284168 - 09/24/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I mean yeah. Every group on earth has it's problems instead of trying to solve our problems we're always focused on demonizing everyone else for their problems. It's typical human behavior. Try and demean someone else in an effort to forget about your own problems and shortfalls.




I don't know, man. I'd say we demonize ourselves quite fine here in the states.




Yeah, the only people I talk more shit about than muslims is probably American politicians and American police officers/military....



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    #22284173 - 09/24/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Out of curiosity, how many of you interact on a regular basis with Muslims?


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    #22284179 - 09/24/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've dated a few

My first boyfriend had pictures of the Aga Khan in his wallet and in every room of his house.


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    #22284198 - 09/24/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Out of curiosity, how many of you interact on a regular basis with Muslims?





I personally interact with 3 different people who are Muslim on a daily basis.

One is a woman from Jeddah(SA), the other is a woman from Maldives, and the other person is a guy, but TBH, I am not 100% sure he is muslim, I only met him recently.

edit: I should mention that personally knowing a woman from Saudi Arabia and interacting with her is actually one of the reasons I have such strong views on this subject.

I have actually seen in real life how damaging that religion is to people. It is pretty depressing...


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    #22284201 - 09/24/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm about done with this fucking site, this thread is bullshit, I get ban points and a warning because "Some people will find your post not only homophobic by using the word faggot, but extremely offensive to the Catholicism.  Please knock it off, it's the pub and it's all supposed to be shroomy here." Because I said the pope wears a fucking dress and because context apparently has no relevance to what words you use since it only matters what other people attach to the word and not what you actually meant by it.

And half these post aren't extremely offensive to Islam/muslims? Oh but there isn't as many of them here, I forgot. Fuck this place and it's favoritism and PC bullshit. I guess muslims aren't supposed to feel welcome and "shroomy" here but god forbid you offend someone elses fairy tale. I'm going to continue melting throughout the remainder of my time on this site since I'm probably going to be banned when someone decides to make up their own meaning for what I say again and report me for it, since that's all it takes.


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    #22284215 - 09/24/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Out of curiosity, how many of you interact on a regular basis with Muslims?




I interacted with muslims on a daily basis for 7 years. I worked in the oil & gas field and we assisted muslim transfers.

One of my closest friends actually, whom of which I met through my former employer -- is muslim.


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    #22284219 - 09/24/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm a pretty strong believer in fate. I mean if any of us would have been born into the same body and family and situation as a terrorist or corrupt cop or whatever I believe we would be exactly the same.

IMO We are all the same; only our set and settings vary greatly.




I certainly cannot argue with that. From that perspective, I can't really disagree with anything anybody does.

I am sorry if I come across as hateful, but I just have serious questions about Islam. Many people do, and I think it is important for people to ask those questions and not just worry about being nice all the time.


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    #22284221 - 09/24/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeh those crazy bastards are everywhere.


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I'm about done with this fucking site, this thread is bullshit, I get ban points and a warning because "Some people will find your post not only homophobic by using the word faggot, but extremely offensive to the Catholicism.  Please knock it off, it's the pub and it's all supposed to be shroomy here." Because I said the pope wears a fucking dress and because context apparently has no relevance to what words you use since it only matters what other people attach to the word and not what you actually meant by it.

And half these post aren't extremely offensive to Islam/muslims? Oh but there isn't as many of them here, I forgot. Fuck this place and it's favoritism and PC bullshit. I guess muslims aren't supposed to feel welcome and "shroomy" here but god forbid you offend someone elses fairy tale. I'm going to continue melting throughout the remainder of my time on this site since I'm probably going to be banned when someone decides to make up their own meaning for what I say again and report me for it, since that's all it takes.




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    #22284240 - 09/24/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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These issues are not all the same. Illegal immigrants from mexico have never said anybody who insults tacos should die.

Pretty different situations.



They are the same at the core. They involve the hatred of another group of people. They involve a lack of compassion and understanding. They lack the realization that we are all people just trying to live our lives and some of us are born into terrible genes or terrible families or terrible areas that shape and mold us into certain types of people.




"They involve the hatred of another group of people"

The large majority of the people against illegal immigration are so because of the economic and legal implications (it has nothing to do with hate), it's only people like you that like to start off with the accusations of bigotry without listening to their clear objections.


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    #22284247 - 09/24/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Out of curiosity, how many of you interact on a regular basis with Muslims?




I interacted with muslims on a daily basis for 7 years. I worked in the oil & gas field and we assisted muslim transfers.

One of my closest friends actually, whom of which I met through my former employer -- is muslim.




Whatever bro, you are just an anti muslim islamaphobe and you are intolerant.

I wonder how many people accusing us of intolerance actually interact with muslims regularly...:smirk::lol:


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    #22284268 - 09/24/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yup. The anti-immigrant crowd in the US are basically racists. It is certainly not based on real world economics, as they are hell bent on kicking out anyone who isn't here "legally" even if it means causing an economic collapse and massive food shortages.


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    #22284314 - 09/24/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The woman I know who is from Saudi Arabia has to be sure she is never seen in public without her hiijab/abaya.

If she isn't appropriately dressed and is seen by a man from her home country, she could be severely punished when she returns to SA (probably whipped).

Even though she was in the US at the time, she could still be punished.

We all just need to be more tolerant, though. Islam is not the issue, it is everybody else.

Afterall, the witness of one man is equal to the witness of two women. Everybody knows women can't be trusted. :rolleyes:

Any man from Saudi Arabia could report her, and his word would be taken as truth.


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These issues are not all the same. Illegal immigrants from mexico have never said anybody who insults tacos should die.

Pretty different situations.



They are the same at the core. They involve the hatred of another group of people. They involve a lack of compassion and understanding. They lack the realization that we are all people just trying to live our lives and some of us are born into terrible genes or terrible families or terrible areas that shape and mold us into certain types of people.




"They involve the hatred of another group of people"

The large majority of the people against illegal immigration are so because of the economic and legal implications (it has nothing to do with hate), it's only people like you that like to start off with the accusations of bigotry without listening to their clear objections.



Since you basically ignored the rest of my post.

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They involve a lack of compassion and understanding. They lack the realization that we are all people just trying to live our lives and some of us are born into terrible genes or terrible families or terrible areas that shape and mold us into certain types of people.




Oh and if you really believe all the hatred aimed at Latin Americans is just because of economics then you're foolish as hell. The majority of the people I know (and I know quite a lot of older white people) who complain about Latin Americans are just racists that use illegal immigration as an excuse for their racism.




If their complaints are just based on the fact that their Latin Americans, then that is racist.

If their issue is with Latin Americans living in the US illegally, then that's completely different and might be totally justified.

I have pointed out lengthy economic reasons for my opposition with illegals coming and staying in the US, so hearing the rhetoric of "an excuse for...racism" doesn't cut it in my opinion.


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    #22284327 - 09/24/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

50% of the labor force in food production in the US are undocumented immigrants. Can you imagine what would happen if you suddenly lost half your labor force? Disaster. You don't have to imagine what would happen, because it has happened before. Alabama cracked down on illegals in 2011. It caused such a disruption in the states agricultural output, that the state reversed its anti-immigrant policy in an emergency session.


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means causing an economic collapse and massive food shortages.




:huxleyfacepalm:

Yeah, we better bring in another 30 million so we don't enter an economic depression and starve to death, total nonsense.


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means causing an economic collapse and massive food shortages.




:huxleyfacepalm:

Yeah, we better bring in another 30 million so we don't enter an economic depression and starve to death, total nonsense.




If that's what it takes, yeah. What's ridiculous is that you would be opposed to doing that even if it meant you starved to death.


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I have pointed out lengthy economic reasons for my opposition with illegals coming and staying in the US, so hearing the rhetoric of "an excuse for...racism" doesn't cut it in my opinion.



Hey bro have you personally been affected economically by illegal immigration? And if so how? I'd love to hear it.




Yes he has. Reasonable food prices.


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The woman I know who is from Saudi Arabia has to be sure she is never seen in public without her hiijab/abaya.

If she isn't appropriately dressed and is seen by a man from her home country, she could be severely punished when she returns to SA (probably whipped).

Even though she was in the US at the time, she could still be punished.

We all just need to be more tolerant, though. Islam is not the issue, it is everybody else.

Afterall, the witness of one man is equal to the witness of two women. Everybody knows women can't be trusted. :rolleyes:



Christians would marry 12 year old's and use to burn women at the stake for being out after dark because they thought they were witches. And guess what the government didn't give two shits! But guess what else? Christians don't do that anymore; changes were made.

Was the religion itself to blame? No. The people were to blame.

There are scientists that help develop better alternative power technology and then their are those that build better guns and bombs. Is science to blame?

It's always easier to blame a group then it is to try and isolate and solve the problem.




Why do you keep bringing up what Christianity did in the past? Yes, Christians have done tons of awful things. So has every other group in history.

Just because lots of groups have done awful things does not make it okay. It wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.

Not really sure what point you are trying to make...


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    #22284358 - 09/24/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"You can't disagree with Muslims, because other groups of people have also done bad things."

Yeeahh....makes sense...:shitdude:


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    #22284385 - 09/24/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have pointed out lengthy economic reasons for my opposition with illegals coming and staying in the US, so hearing the rhetoric of "an excuse for...racism" doesn't cut it in my opinion.



Hey bro have you personally been affected economically by illegal immigration? And if so how? I'd love to hear it.




Illegal immigration affects all US citizens, adding more workers than is needed lowers wages for everyone, including the skilled and educated. It also takes jobs away from the uneducated poor and disadvantaged, mainly Hispanics and blacks.

If we had an economic environment that require more labor than the US currently had, then by all means have immigrants legally enter the US and become productive citizens!!  But that isn't the case today, we have over 50 million working eligible US citizens not working, we don't need more poor people.


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    #22284400 - 09/24/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sufism is the silver lining in the cloud of Islam.

It is a beautiful and profound spiritual system of great authenticity.

The mystic poetry of Rumi is one of the crowning achievements of human art in all history.

In all religions there is much that should be embraced and much that should be abandoned.

There is salvation to be found in all religions but the key is in what parts of if you embrace and how you practice it .

I want to be a Muslim , from some perspectives I am a Muslim , but I am also a Buddhist, Hindu , Taoist and Christian while also being none of these and much more.

I study and practice all religions but combine the best parts of each into my own unique belief system and spiritual path and anything in any system that doesn't resonate with compassionate wisdom I simply leave by the wayside.

Compassionate wisdom and love. This is the heart of true religion.

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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: koods]
    #22284413 - 09/24/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm about done with this fucking site, this thread is bullshit, I get ban points and a warning because "Some people will find your post not only homophobic by using the word faggot, but extremely offensive to the Catholicism.  Please knock it off, it's the pub and it's all supposed to be shroomy here." Because I said the pope wears a fucking dress and because context apparently has no relevance to what words you use since it only matters what other people attach to the word and not what you actually meant by it.

And half these post aren't extremely offensive to Islam/muslims? Oh but there isn't as many of them here, I forgot. Fuck this place and it's favoritism and PC bullshit. I guess muslims aren't supposed to feel welcome and "shroomy" here but god forbid you offend someone elses fairy tale. I'm going to continue melting throughout the remainder of my time on this site since I'm probably going to be banned when someone decides to make up their own meaning for what I say again and report me for it, since that's all it takes.




Does this make you feel better?






Yes. But it still proves my point even more :kingcrankey:


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    #22284425 - 09/24/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Millions of people converge on a big box containing a meteorite. Fucking lunacy.



Millions of people pair up with the same gender when humans were obviously organically designed to pair up with the opposite sex.


We werent 'design4d', and if we were then homosexuality is a feature in our natural variability. Also, over 90% of 'terror' is caused by Muslems. If I subscribed to the teachings of a modern murderinfg pedophole, who wouod think Im sane? Probably too many
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    #22284448 - 09/24/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

something like this happens almost every black friday in america


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    #22284457 - 09/24/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We would be missing the point. If we were all somewhat equally violent, the  Near East wouldn't be a giant terrible place tnat only a fool would choose to go to.


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    #22284470 - 09/24/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard good things about Sufism. I don't know anything about it really, besides that it is supposed to be a more interesting sounding variety of islam. I feel like I remember reading about some people who were both Hindu and Sufi, maybe? Sounds interesting.

I agree that there is some truth in all of the religions.

The only reason I give the muslims a hard time is because I think some of them may need to be warmed up a little bit to get them ready for the modern world we are all living in. We are all going to have our feelings hurt from time to time. You can't start a religious crusade every time somebody makes a cartoon about your god.


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    #22284507 - 09/24/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The Middle East, but I heard calliing it that is Eurocentric, and Near East is more neutral. I could just call it something more offemsive...'The Pedophile's Playground' sounds right


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    #22284512 - 09/24/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm about done with this fucking site, this thread is bullshit, I get ban points and a warning because "Some people will find your post not only homophobic by using the word faggot, but extremely offensive to the Catholicism.  Please knock it off, it's the pub and it's all supposed to be shroomy here." Because I said the pope wears a fucking dress and because context apparently has no relevance to what words you use since it only matters what other people attach to the word and not what you actually meant by it.

And half these post aren't extremely offensive to Islam/muslims? Oh but there isn't as many of them here, I forgot. Fuck this place and it's favoritism and PC bullshit. I guess muslims aren't supposed to feel welcome and "shroomy" here but god forbid you offend someone elses fairy tale. I'm going to continue melting throughout the remainder of my time on this site since I'm probably going to be banned when someone decides to make up their own meaning for what I say again and report me for it, since that's all it takes.



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    #22284534 - 09/24/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mohammed can eat my ass


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    #22284537 - 09/24/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Who is ban pointi g you fot=r that? Fuck that mod, they can be so retarded, trying to crate order when there was already


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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22284605 - 09/24/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the mods here are fucking idiots. but this place is entirely idiotic so it's not surprising. the shroomery is composed of 98% idiotic wastoid fucking morons.

the mods should never have given SirShrooms points, he didn't do anything. 90% of the time people make fun of ALL religions; are we supposed to draw the line at Christianity? why?

basically my point.


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    #22284614 - 09/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

y r u guys melting stop melting


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    #22284615 - 09/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your insolence will get you banned next, buddy.


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    #22284617 - 09/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

At least we are smart though, right?


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    #22284619 - 09/24/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

you'd like that.


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    #22284754 - 09/24/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the mods here are fucking idiots. but this place is entirely idiotic so it's not surprising. the shroomery is composed of 98% idiotic wastoid fucking morons.



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    #22284759 - 09/24/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lookatit: look at all the shit

sorry i shouldn't be talking about ALL the mods. Yogabunny is a mod; now i feel bad.

it's more like 30% of the mods here are...they're beyond actually, levels of :imout: and into pure rhetorical shit.


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    #22284856 - 09/24/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i apologize for my comments, but SirShrooms should never have gotten points for what he said, he did NOTHING WRONG

lets make that abundantly clear.


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    #22284966 - 09/24/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They died doing what they loved....

Worshipping Allah!

And killing each other....


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    #22284997 - 09/24/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They're just shitty people, like 2nd rate brown americans or something...


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    #22285000 - 09/24/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Vietnam: they died doing what they love, shotguns and raping babies!


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    #22285528 - 09/24/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess consumption increases as they day goes on, naturally, cuz discussion seemed good there the first five pages..

Anyway, hey The Beatles had to stop touring..

This side diacussion on immigration an whatnot: Colbert had Liz Warren on last night and she articulatly said: since the 80's 100% of increases in income/profit have gone to the top 10%. So i guess what i'm saying is, why is the discussion of 'they takin rr jobz' even relevant? I sapose 'they're sending our jobs away' would be way more acurate, or getting upset at robots for 'taken rr jobz' even..

Idk what happened to cause this but it's tragic and also a great opportunity to fix a thing or two while we're on the subject.
Could be spacing this event out a few weeks to keep numbers down and flow steady..
Could be realizing that muhammad didnt want his pic taken cuz it's not about a statue or 'thing'/object
Could be people could chill out a bit...

But idk what exactly began this.
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    #22287524 - 09/25/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anybody have any ideas on what caused the stampede? I don't believe the poor planning excuse for a few reasons.

Firstly I've been to some massive events such as thanksgiving day parade in New York, multiple New Years in San Francisco, as well as a couple massive 4/20 celebrations. Each one had hundreds of thousands of people crammed into just a couple city blocks. Never have I heard of a stampede killing  even a couple people.

These events were also filled with people just completely obliterated on drugs or alcohol. This pilgrimage is in Saudi Arabia where everyone is sober as you can get. No booze in the whole country.

These events also had bottleneck choke points at some point where almost the whole crowd had to travel through a narrow area all at once when the events abruptly ended. Haven't heard of any deaths due to trampling.

I've even been In two stampedes. One at four twenty in golden gate park a couple years ago when right in the middle of this crowd of thousands upon thousands of people some one pulled out a gun. The people closest to the action bolted in all directions and cause a ripple effect and pretty much half the park was empty within moments.

The other was at an event called first Friday in Oakland, thousands of people on the streets of downtown Oakland for art and food and music and community. Again some knuckle head pulled a Gun and caused every one to scatter. Much smaller crowd but still.

I think one possibility is a gun was pulled in the middle of the crowd which caused hysteria. If this happened I think the Saudi government would cover it up. I mean just look at what people in the west have already been saying about this, now imagine if it was known to be caused by a violent Muslim. Everyone would be going even harder against Islam.


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    #22288400 - 09/25/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have heard a couple of explanations-

1) Supposedly, there is a air conditioned tunnel along the road the pilgrims use to get to jamarat, where they have the 'stoning of the devil' ceremony. I've seen a few news outlets saying there was a rush to get to the air conditioned tunnel.

2) I've also read that it was caused by groups of people trying to move 'upstream' against the flow of people. People who finish the ritual are supposed to only move forward (obviously). However, apparently some groups of people who had already completed the ritual felt it would be quicker to go against the flow of people (who had not yet performed the ritual) to an exit they were not supposed to use. 

However, both of those could just be rumors.

I think it is safe to say it was probably caused by a number of problems. All these people are muslims, but most of them cannot talk to each other because they all speak different languages, so that creates an issue when it comes to crowd control. Throw in a some 100 degree heat and a few hundred thousand people trying to get to the same tiny area and it is basically a disaster waiting to happen.


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    #22288440 - 09/25/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also-women cannot speak to anyone who isn't their father, brother, or husband (cuz allah). I'm sure this makes everything even more difficult. Even if most the pilgrims did speak the same language, half of the people there still wouldn't be able to communicate with each other.


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    #22288475 - 09/25/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's Saudi Arabia. They take that shit seriously. I knew an American couple who worked in a compound for foreigner working in Saudi Arabia (yes... Most foreigners live in compounds separated from the citizens). The woman could not leave the compound without her husband. Saudi Arabia is the most disgusting country with the most disgusting culture on the planet, maybe North Korea is worse. Maybe.


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    #22288480 - 09/25/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Also-women cannot speak to anyone who isn't their father, brother, or husband (cuz allah). I'm sure this makes everything even more difficult. Even if most the pilgrims did speak the same language, half of the people there still wouldn't be able to communicate with each other.



I'm curious exactly how strict that rule is still enforced on average.




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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: koods]
    #22288490 - 09/25/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i dont know how accurate this is but its on the front page of r/worldnews

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/09/24/430582/Saudi-stampede-hajj-prince-Salman

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The presence of the convoy of the son of the Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud in central Mina prompted the stampede that killed hundreds of pilgrims on the outskirts of the holy city of Mecca, a report says.

The Arabic-language daily al-Diyar said in a report on Thursday that the convoy of Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud played a central role in the deadly crush on the third day of the annual Hajj pilgrimage earlier in the day.

The report said that Salman, who had sought to attend the huge gathering of pilgrims in Mina, a large valley about five kilometers (three miles) from Mecca, arrived at the site early on Thursday accompanied by a huge entourage.

The report said 200 army forces and 150 police officers escorted the prince.

The report said the presence of the prince in the middle of the population prompted a change in the direction of the movement of the pilgrims and a stampede.

The Lebanese daily further said that Salman and his entourage swiftly abandoned the scene, adding that the Saudi authorities seek to hush up the entire story and impose a media blackout on Salman’s presence in the area.

However, officials in Saudi Arabia have denied the report, calling it "incorrect." The Saudi health minister has blamed the pilgrims for the tragedy. "If the pilgrims had followed instructions, this type of accident could have been avoided," Khaled al-Falih said. 

According to Iran's Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization more than 1,300 people, including 125 Iranians, were killed in the crush. This as Saudi officials put the death toll at 717 and the number of injured at 863.




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Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has declared three days of national mourning following the incident while urging the Saudi government to “shoulder its heavy responsibility” in the stampede and “meet its obligations in compliance with the rule of righteousness and fairness.”

Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said on Thursday that Saudi Arabia should be held accountable over the death of the pilgrims. He said that the fatal crush started after Saudi security forces blocked two streets while the pilgrims were walking towards the final ritual of the Hajj.

"We can by no means remain indifferent towards Saudi Arabia's irresponsible behavior," said Amir-Abdollahian, adding, “The tactlessness on the part of relevant Saudi authorities to provide security for the pilgrims cannot be overlooked.”




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    #22288494 - 09/25/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's Saudi Arabia. They take that shit seriously. I knew an American couple who worked in a compound for foreigner working in Saudi Arabia (yes... Most foreigners live in compounds separated from the citizens). The woman could not leave the compound without her husband. Saudi Arabia is the most disgusting country with the most disgusting culture on the planet, maybe North Korea is worse. Maybe.




This. They take that shit, waaaayyyy more seriously than I think you must realize.

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    #22288500 - 09/25/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Your heart was in the right place, but…

Dear Ben,

I am writing to you today as a woman who was born and raised in Islam. I saw your discussion with Bill Maher and Sam Harris, and I must say you did me a great disservice that day. Your heart was in the right place, of course, and it was lovely of you to step up and defend ‘my people’.

What you really did though, perhaps inadvertently, was silence a conversation that never gets started. Two people attempted to begin a dialogue and you wouldn’t even listen. Why should any set of ideas be above criticism, Ben?

Why are Muslims being ‘preserved’ in some time capsule of centuries gone by? Why is it okay that we continue to live in a world where our women are compared to candy waiting to be consumed? Why is it okay for women of the rest of the world to fight for freedom and equality while we are told to cover our shameful bodies? Can’t you see that we are being held back from joining this elite club known as the 21st century?

Noble liberals like yourself always stand up for the misrepresented Muslims and stand against the Islamophobes, which is great but who stands in my corner and for the others who feel oppressed by the religion? Every time we raise our voices, one of us is killed or threatened. I am a blogger and illustrator, no threat to anyone, Ben, except for those afraid of words and drawings. I want the freedom to express myself without the very real fear that I might be killed for it. Is that too much to ask?

When I wrote a children’s book that carried a message of diversity and inclusivity for everyone, my life changed. My book, ‘My Chacha (uncle) is Gay’ has the innocent anti-homophobia message, ‘Love belongs to everyone’. This was not palatable to many of my Muslim brothers and sisters.

Since that project I have been declared an ‘enemy of God’ and deemed worthy of death. All because I want to help create a world where South Asian children too can have their stories told, so they too can know that love comes in all forms, and that that’s okay. My Muslim brothers and sisters were hit hard by this work because it addresses the issue of homophobia within our own community. It is not something they can pass off as ‘Western’ immorality. Just like they deny that any issues exist within the doctrine of Islam, many deny that homosexuality exists amongst good, ‘moral’ Muslims. Just like that, millions of people’s existence is denied. Please do not defend people who think this way, and let me tell you Ben, many ‘good’ Muslims do think this way.

What you did by screaming ‘racist!’ was shut down a conversation that many of us have been waiting to have. You helped those who wish to deny there are issues, deny them. You became an instant hero, a defender of Islam. It’s kind, it really is. I understand because I too am plagued and affected by the issues brought about by actual Islamophobia. I have a Muslim name and brown skin, my peaceful relatives have been pushed in the subway and called ‘terrorist’ for no reason.

I get that.

We must distinguish critiquing an ideology from being hateful towards a group of people. And for this reason I think that tackling the issues within Islam should be two-pronged. They must be brought up, but simultaneously we should stress that blame for these issues cannot be placed on individuals.

In the interest of being politically correct and ‘liberal’, we silence the voices of millions. I am turning to you because you were instrumental in starting this conversation. Those of us who want reform are muted by extremists, as well as the liberals who betray us in the name of multiculturalism.

ISIS paints a horrific picture, so I understand the knee-jerk reaction to deny any link. Most Muslims choose to interpret scripture in a peaceful way, but that doesn’t mean the raw material isn’t there for those who choose the path of violence. That material must be addressed.

Can we talk about the blatant double standards and violation of human rights, for a second? Mosques are built throughout western countries, usually without much issue. But in the hub of Islam, the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia, no one but Muslims are allowed to officially practice their faith. There are no churches, temples or synagogues because Saudi Arabia will not permit any non-Muslim place of worship to exist. Who will hold them accountable for such injustice if we hush everyone who speaks out against Islam?

What is so wrong with wanting to step into the current century? There should be no shame. There is no denying that violence, misogyny and homophobia exist in all religious texts, but Islam is the only religion that is adhered to so literally, to this day.

In your culture you have the luxury of calling such literalists “crazies”, like the Westboro Baptist Church, for example. In my culture, such values are upheld by more people than we realise. Many will try to deny it, but please hear me when I say that these are not fringe values. It is apparent in the lacking numbers of Muslims willing to speak out against the archaic Shariah law. The punishment for blasphemy and apostasy, etc, are tools of oppression. Why are they not addressed even by the peaceful folk who “aren’t fanatical, who just want to have some sandwiches and pray five times a day? Where are the Muslim protestors against blasphemy laws/apostasy? Where are the Muslims who take a stand against harsh interpretation of Shariah? These sandwich-eating peaceful folk do not defend those suffering in the name of Islam, Ben, and therein lies our problem.

Maybe the points Maher and Harris were trying to make are more easily digested when coming from within the community, I can appreciate that. That is why I am writing to you, as someone who has personally been hurt by the lack of acknowledgement of these issues.

If Muslims do not critique their own atrocities, then people on the outside will and their message will not be listened to simply because of who they are. It’s a vicious cycle, one that can only break if indeed, like Harris said, true reformers are empowered.

I ask you and anyone reading this to make an effort to seek out reformers from within our community, and support them in any way you can.

If I were allowed to meet a man that is not my father, brother or husband unchaperoned, I would have loved to discuss this over drinks (which I am also not allowed to have) with you. So, you see, things must change.

Sincerely,

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http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/10/25/comment/an-open-letter-to-ben-affleck/


This is what a women in Pakistan had to say when Ben Affleck tried to 'defend' islam.

I think you should read that whole letter before you continue defending an ideology you don't understand, 336. I mean that in the nicest way possible. 


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    #22288514 - 09/25/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's Saudi Arabia. They take that shit seriously. I knew an American couple who worked in a compound for foreigner working in Saudi Arabia (yes... Most foreigners live in compounds separated from the citizens). The woman could not leave the compound without her husband. Saudi Arabia is the most disgusting country with the most disgusting culture on the planet, maybe North Korea is worse. Maybe.




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Also-women cannot speak to anyone who isn't their father, brother, or husband (cuz allah). I'm sure this makes everything even more difficult. Even if most the pilgrims did speak the same language, half of the people there still wouldn't be able to communicate with each other.



I'm curious exactly how strict that rule is still enforced on average.




If you are caught talking to a woman, you probably won't get your head cut off, but if the muttawah see you, you will probably be arrested.




I'd think there'd be a lot more cases of foreign Muslims who don't abide by those rules getting arrested etc.




Again, I am really not trying to be condescending, but I think you need to do more research if you are saying that. They really do not fuck around in Saudi Arabia. It is not a joke to these people.


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    #22288610 - 09/25/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't go looking it up now;




So what are you even saying? You don't like being presented with facts? You want me to just spout off random shit I vaguely remember reading about one time, whether the information is correct or not?

That is the most idiotic and unproductive method of discussion I have ever heard of...

It is obvious you do not know much about this subject, and it seems like you do not even really want to educate yourself by doing your own research...

Anyways, I am done. You win. Islam is perfect and women are stupid for complaining about its problems. There are no human rights issues in Saudi Arabia whatsoever, and everything is perfect.

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    #22288620 - 09/25/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Islam is not just a destructive religion, neither is Christianity (despite the Crusader Wars...) or Judeism .






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:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:


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    #22288622 - 09/25/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Saudi Arabia is wonderful. There are no homosexuals and no alcoholics. Also its really nice in the summer. Good tanning weather for the ladies' eye slits.


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    #22288742 - 09/25/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You are ignorant

There is no doubt about that


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Every religion is destructive

it divides humanity

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    #22288760 - 09/25/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Between January 1 and June 2, 90 people were executed in Saudi Arabia. 39 of them were foreigners and majority of the foreigners were executed for heroin.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/number-of-saudi-arabian-executions-beheading-soar-in-2015/206139/


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    #22288831 - 09/25/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You sound 14, maybe 15.

Also......

Fuck religion.


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    #22288881 - 09/25/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yall niggas just posting biased ignorant shit based on what you've seen in mainstream media. I doubt any of you have spent any significant amount of time if any amount of time in the Middle East.



I gave you a fact. Nearly half of all executions in Saudi Arabia for the first 6 months of 2015 were foreigners. Not only that, the rate of executions for Saudi Arabia are among the highest in the world. Sounds like you don't like the truth.

Just type "Human rights" and "Saudi Arabia" into Google and look at the hundreds of thousands of pages you get. Consistently with North Korea, Sudan and Syria, Saudi Arabia ranks at the bottom for human rights on the entire planet.

I've been to Egypt, Israel, Lebanon and Turkey by the way. So... you're also wrong about that. Go figure.


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    #22288883 - 09/25/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^^^^^^ Exactly what a 14 year old says

You got demoted from 15


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    #22288900 - 09/25/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So you approve of killing people for using or selling drugs?

Damn you're fucked kid


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    #22288910 - 09/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You've been here like a month or something and have almost 2k posts. It's taken me years to accumulate this many posts

99% sure you are some kid with too much time on his hands

you should try getting a life, maybe some friends and get a job..

but you'll have trouble getting a job until you turn 16 lol.



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    #22288952 - 09/25/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bro im doing you a favor telling you have no life

You seriously don't if you have 2k posts after a month or so

I advise you to go outside, you most likely look like a vampire right now


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    #22288960 - 09/25/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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what a women in Pakistan had to say when Ben Affleck tried to 'defend' islam.

I think you should read that whole letter before you continue defending an ideology you don't understand, 336. I mean that in the nicest way possible. 



Bro, I understand. I'm just uncertain how strict some of these Muslim Nations still are in those respects. Especially places like Iran, and Egypt.

Iran in the 70s




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Yall niggas just posting biased ignorant shit based on what you've seen in mainstream media. I doubt any of you have spent any significant amount of time if any amount of time in the Middle East.



I gave you a fact. Nearly half of all executions in Saudi Arabia for the first 6 months of 2015 were foreigners. Not only that, the rate of executions for Saudi Arabia are among the highest in the world. Sounds like you don't like the truth.

Just type "Human rights" and "Saudi Arabia" into Google and look at the hundreds of thousands of pages you get. Consistently with North Korea, Sudan and Syria, Saudi Arabia ranks at the bottom for human rights on the entire planet.

I've been to Egypt, Israel, Lebanon and Turkey by the way. So... you're also wrong about that. Go figure.




90 people in six months? That ain't shit. lol
U.S. kills over 1,000 of its citizens per year; mostly involving the War on Drugs if I'm not mistaken.

Look I'm not trying to say that certain Muslim countries execute you. But even like you said the majority of those executions were for Heroin; not because some chick talked to someone she wasn't supposed to.



You are once again mistaken. Drugs are not a capital offense in USA. In fact, they are mostly just a capital offense in Muslim countries and Singapore.

The punishment for speaking without permission in Saudi Arabia is merely a public flogging, not a capital offense.

But you are still defending a country where you can be executed for practicing anything other than Islam
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18503550

"The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences[4] including murder, rape, false prophecy, blasphemy, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy,[5] adultery,[6] witchcraft and sorcery[7][8][9][10] and can be carried out by beheading with a sword,[11] or more rarely by firing squad, and sometimes by stoning." -Wikipedia

I don't know why you'd even defend Saudi Arabia other than to go against popular opinion. The place is fucked.


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    #22288976 - 09/25/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm convinced he is trolling you guys. There is no way someone can defend religion this hard and act likes its beneficial to humanity

wTf. Religion is so fucked


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    #22288986 - 09/25/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Islam is antiquated like all the other Abrahamic religions. The only way to follow them is by picking and choosing which parts to follow. With Islam, that wipes out some of the most important parts...


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    #22288994 - 09/25/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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and training to join the USMC.






Damn, so you are about to start defending muslims professionally. I guess you are just practicing right now :lol:

In all seriousness, I wish you the best of luck, we probably need more people in the military who are as tolerant of other cultures as you seem to be.


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    #22288996 - 09/25/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Religion like islam, it's either all or nothing. The Quran is the holy word and all of it is must be followed to the word. That is what it means to be Islamic. There are different sects that all follow the Quran, some far more literal than others but all discriminative, dangerous and quite frankly a plague to humanity.

If religion was wiped out and eradicated, humanity as a whole would prosper. Religion is one of the biggest dividers and history tells us with concrete evidence the horrors of religion.


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    #22289018 - 09/25/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No you were saying it is OK that they killed them because it was heroin

That is exactly what you intended to say. "Well no big deal, I can overlook their religious prejudice over drugs, which they would execute for marijuana too, but hey... no big deal, religion is fine!"


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    #22289043 - 09/25/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You are once again mistaken. Drugs are not a capital offense in USA.



I didn't say people were executed for just having drugs etc; What I was saying is that the majority of police killings usually involve the War on Drugs in the sense that those killed are usually involved in the drug game.

Understand what I'm saying?



I know what you're saying but it is bullshit.  The deaaler gangbanger who is selling drugs and shooting up his competition and then gets killed was not killed because of the drug war.


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    #22289046 - 09/25/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Religion like islam, it's either all or nothing. The Quran is the holy word and all of it is must be followed to the word. That is what it means to be Islamic. There are different sects that all follow the Quran, some far more literal than others but all discriminative, dangerous and quite frankly a plague to humanity.

If religion was wiped out and eradicated, humanity as a whole would prosper. Religion is one of the biggest dividers and history tells us with concrete evidence the horrors of religion.




Yup, this is one of the huge problems with religion in general, IMO. No balance can exist in those types of super religious cultures.

It's kind of like the drug war. The reason it got so bad is because no politician gets elected for saying "lets be soft on drugs". They get elected by saying they will be harder on drugs than the politician before him. 

Nobody can say "we need to chill out on this religious stuff a little bit" because they will get labeled as a sinner or infidel or something. SO inevitably shit always gets fucked up because it throws everything out of balance.

I'm too stoned to phrase sentences properly right now, so hopefully that makes at least a little sense.


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    #22289048 - 09/25/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You are once again mistaken. Drugs are not a capital offense in USA.



I didn't say people were executed for just having drugs etc; What I was saying is that the majority of police killings usually involve the War on Drugs in the sense that those killed are usually involved in the drug game.

Understand what I'm saying?



Most police killings in the US can be attributed to stupidity, actually. Not only is this irrelevant, Saudi police would shoot them too.


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    #22289051 - 09/25/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's Saudi Arabia. They take that shit seriously. I knew an American couple who worked in a compound for foreigner working in Saudi Arabia (yes... Most foreigners live in compounds separated from the citizens). The woman could not leave the compound without her husband. Saudi Arabia is the most disgusting country with the most disgusting culture on the planet, maybe North Korea is worse. Maybe.



At least North Korea has some humor.
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    #22289106 - 09/25/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why?  Other gangbangers have greater license to kill gangbangers than the duly appointed representatives of the people?

I for one pay cops to kill that scum whenever necessary.


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    #22289122 - 09/25/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



I'm sure this is all just propaganda, though. Probably just a vast conspiracy to make people hate muslims. I'm sure if you actually go to Saudi Arabia it is super chill.

Even though I actually personally know a person from SA and if a Saudi man sees her without her hiijab and abaya on while in the US, and he decides to report her, she could be severely punished. It's all just propaganda, though. Even people from Saudi Arabia are in on it.


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    #22289147 - 09/25/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm sure this is all just propaganda, though. Probably just a vast conspiracy to make people hate muslims. I'm sure if you actually go to Saudi Arabia it is super chill.

Even though I actually personally know a person from SA and if a Saudi man sees her without her hiijab and abaya on while in the US, and he decides to report her, she could be severely punished. It's all just propaganda, though. Even people from Saudi Arabia are in on it.



Saudi Arabia sucks.

Despite the tough censorship and human rights issues, the people are mostly okay with it. In fact, a recent poll found most women in Saudi Arabia agree they shouldn't be allowed to have driver's licenses.


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    #22289150 - 09/25/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All I'm trying to do is get people to understand that it isn't just the Muslims who are treating women badly and killing people. It's a human problem.




I will absolutely agree to that, but I do think Islam is due for some pretty serious criticism. But yes, all humans definitely have their problems.


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    #22289166 - 09/25/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Despite the tough censorship and human rights issues, the people are mostly okay with it. In fact, a recent poll found most women in Saudi Arabia agree they shouldn't be allowed to have driver's licenses.




Yeah, that is the scariest thing dude. The woman I know from SA doesn't wear a full veil, but she can hardly even look people in the eye. She is constantly making desperate apologies, because she always thinks she has done something horribly wrong. Everything is almost a disaster with her.

It is just like talking to someone who has been severely abused.

edit: One cool thing that happened, though - one of her friends back in Saudi Arabia took some pictures of herself without her veil on and even exposed some upper arm (scandalous, I know). She sent the pics to the chick I know and asked her to show them to people in America. She showed them to me, and it was hilarious/disturbing how they were really getting a thrill out of doing something that (to me) seemed completely non-scandalous.

tl:dr I got to see the upper arm of one of the wives of some Saudi dude. It was totally scandalous and hawt :hotidea:  :naughty:


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    #22289592 - 09/25/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm sure this is all just propaganda, though. Probably just a vast conspiracy to make people hate muslims. I'm sure if you actually go to Saudi Arabia it is super chill.

Even though I actually personally know a person from SA and if a Saudi man sees her without her hiijab and abaya on while in the US, and he decides to report her, she could be severely punished. It's all just propaganda, though. Even people from Saudi Arabia are in on it.



True the U.S. has made improvements. That said my point still stands when it comes to the amount of Americans being killed by other Americans. Also I'd like to say that I personally would rather get executed then be imprisoned/enslaved for life; while probably getting raped and later on killed in prison regardless. lol




So you'd rather get executed then do a couple years of prison time for drug offences

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You have a link for this dude? I'd like to read about it

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    #22290486 - 09/25/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anybody have any ideas on what caused the stampede? I don't believe the poor planning excuse for a few reasons.

Firstly I've been to some massive events such as thanksgiving day parade in New York, multiple New Years in San Francisco, as well as a couple massive 4/20 celebrations. Each one had hundreds of thousands of people crammed into just a couple city blocks. Never have I heard of a stampede killing  even a couple people.

These events were also filled with people just completely obliterated on drugs or alcohol. This pilgrimage is in Saudi Arabia where everyone is sober as you can get. No booze in the whole country.

These events also had bottleneck choke points at some point where almost the whole crowd had to travel through a narrow area all at once when the events abruptly ended. Haven't heard of any deaths due to trampling.

I've even been In two stampedes. One at four twenty in golden gate park a couple years ago when right in the middle of this crowd of thousands upon thousands of people some one pulled out a gun. The people closest to the action bolted in all directions and cause a ripple effect and pretty much half the park was empty within moments.

The other was at an event called first Friday in Oakland, thousands of people on the streets of downtown Oakland for art and food and music and community. Again some knuckle head pulled a Gun and caused every one to scatter. Much smaller crowd but still.

I think one possibility is a gun was pulled in the middle of the crowd which caused hysteria. If this happened I think the Saudi government would cover it up. I mean just look at what people in the west have already been saying about this, now imagine if it was known to be caused by a violent Muslim. Everyone would be going even harder against Islam.





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Re: The Hajj Pilgrimage...700+ people dead.. [Re: sh4d0ws]
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I'm sure this is all just propaganda, though. Probably just a vast conspiracy to make people hate muslims. I'm sure if you actually go to Saudi Arabia it is super chill.

Even though I actually personally know a person from SA and if a Saudi man sees her without her hiijab and abaya on while in the US, and he decides to report her, she could be severely punished. It's all just propaganda, though. Even people from Saudi Arabia are in on it.



True the U.S. has made improvements. That said my point still stands when it comes to the amount of Americans being killed by other Americans. Also I'd like to say that I personally would rather get executed then be imprisoned/enslaved for life; while probably getting raped and later on killed in prison regardless. lol




So you'd rather get executed then do a couple years of prison time for drug offences

:facepalm:



I have a friend who visits Saudi Arabia every year, and he's told me like half the people there smoke weed and drink beer. Although it's pretty underground. His first time toking was in Saudi Arabia when he was a teen.


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