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Inocuole
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283676 - 09/24/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That wasn't a retort, I'm just done with the discussion, I'm not interested in changing your mind if you want to stick with what you know.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283710 - 09/24/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its gettin real in here 
Inocuole is like
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micro
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22283754 - 09/24/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MajickMuffin said: I have had brf jars colonize in 2-3 weeks at 65-70.
I have had bags with 1-2L of substrate (rice) colonize in a week.
Of course, those were outliers and I was breaking it apart and mixing it at 10%
2-3 weeks sounds about average so this wouldn't surprise me even at that temp.
How long did fruiting it take?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283779 - 09/24/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: That wasn't a retort, I'm just done with the discussion, I'm not interested in changing your mind if you want to stick with what you know.
I'd just like facts or evidence to back it up.
No, I'm not going to change my mind without that.
Why would I? 
I understand why you would think it curbs other growth as lots of fungi grow well at that temp but some contaminants grow best at lower temps, as well, such as rhizopus, mucor moulds and yeast.
So, tell me... What am I missing? :V
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283784 - 09/24/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes 1 week in fruiting conditions before pins, sometimes 2.
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283792 - 09/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro said:
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Inocuole said: That wasn't a retort, I'm just done with the discussion, I'm not interested in changing your mind if you want to stick with what you know.
I'd just like facts or evidence to back it up.
No, I'm not going to change my mind without that.
Why would I? 
I understand why you would think it curbs other growth as lots of fungi grow well at that temp but some contaminants grow best at lower temps, as well, such as rhizopus, mucor moulds and yeast.
So, tell me... What am I missing? :V
The tests have been done over and over https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13239782#13239782
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22283796 - 09/24/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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so it doesn't sound like it effects fruiting that much
i was just curious
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stareatclouds
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283808 - 09/24/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro,
Let's say current cultivators and mycologists say 70-75F colonization temps will have a jar completed in 5 days. And 70-75F is not optimal growth for bacteria and other contaminants.
Now let's outdated cultivation guides from 30 years ago say 75-85F colonization temps will have a jar completed in 3 days. But that's optimal temperatures for bacteria and other contaminants.
Which do you choose?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283855 - 09/24/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My own tests on petri dishes at controlled temperature showed growth was completely flat between 75F and 81F and then began to fall rapidly at 83F and above.
hmm...
mycelium in a petri dish causing excessive heat ???
also what happened to 81-83
i will probably repeat this once i'm in my new place
there is no data and also no method posted but i can hardly believe there would be *no* diff
ime, it was slower at RT, I am sure of that... but i don't know the exact temp
substrate temp is easy enough to get with an IR thermometer
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: stareatclouds]
#22283872 - 09/24/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: micro,
Let's say current cultivators and mycologists say 70-75F colonization temps will have a jar completed in 5 days. And 70-75F is not optimal growth for bacteria and other contaminants.
Now let's outdated cultivation guides from 30 years ago say 75-85F colonization temps will have a jar completed in 3 days. But that's optimal temperatures for bacteria and other contaminants.
Which do you choose?
I'd choose to question them because I have seen different, and that is empirical evidence.
I'd also want to know how they came to that conclusion since I already stated *which* contaminants do.
It's better than "I said so."
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283904 - 09/24/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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substrate temp wouldnt' matter much the myc is done growing and they fruit great well into the 90's, dig around you will see paul took those numbers back as the numbers in the book were not even from his own experience
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283910 - 09/24/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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this was discussing colonization temps, not fruiting
at least, that's what i got from spore germination
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283914 - 09/24/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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ahhh i see i see
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283918 - 09/24/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly if you're going to rely on Paul's info at the very least listen to him say his own old info is bad info.
Fruiting is fine from 65-100f depending on how you want the fruits to look
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22283925 - 09/24/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Exactly if you're going to rely on Paul's info at the very least listen to him say his own old info is bad info.
where?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283941 - 09/24/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We have a pretty kick ass search engine here.....
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283985 - 09/24/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: We have a pretty kick ass search engine here.....
Doesn't help if you are claiming your own information is outdated :V
Also, I searched but there's tons of irrelevant info.
Is it difficult to mention where he states that?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22284006 - 09/24/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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all his seminars where he also takes back incubating in the dark and all the other false info fromhis books
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22284033 - 09/24/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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all of them ???
i'm wtching this one atm:
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MajickMuffin
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22286084 - 09/24/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro said: all of them ???
i'm wtching this one atm:
I known that his old info is bad info since I first began in this hobby man...even if you cant find proof take their word for it. Seriously
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