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MajickMuffin
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a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate?
#22282672 - 09/24/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thought just came to me today, as its been about 4-5 days since I knocked up some jars and can't see any growth. My temps have been around 70.
So I thought...well..maybe spores are triggered to germinate at a certain temperature, such as 75-80, and after that, they can survive in lower and higher temperatures.
Is this true?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22282678 - 09/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No that's kinda silly. You're just being impatient about spore germination. 70 is fine.
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MajickMuffin
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22282690 - 09/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No don't take this as being impatient, that would be silly in itself.
Its the thought here I was questioning, not time.
Because seeds will act that way. Thank you for the info
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22282696 - 09/24/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose it's possible a little heat could help penetrate the spores, but the negativity that comes along with that usually outweighs it.
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22282708 - 09/24/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm giving them a slight temp raise.
As I noticed my temperture being slightly lower than I want at this stage, 68. So I'm bringing it up to the low 70's for a while.
I usually fruit at 65-70 and colonize at 68-75 and I don't get many contams at fruit stage, and so far have gotten long life out of myc
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22283394 - 09/24/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you trying on grains this time? lol
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283457 - 09/24/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If anything I would colonize at 65-70 and fruit at 68-75. You got them backwards there
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22283468 - 09/24/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wait, what ?
this is cubensis, right ?
colonize at 80-85F and fruit at 70-75F
i'm sure they will germinate regardless but it will be sloooow at 70F
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283474 - 09/24/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Been readin that stamets, I'm telling you man.. 80-85, + another 5 to account for the internal heat, and that shit is simply too warm.
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283483 - 09/24/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Staments was wrong 30 years ago when he said 80s were good. I would never colonize warmer than 75. 81-83 is the upper limit above that growth goes slower than it does at 75. But even still I vastly prefer 68-72 to 75 for colonization
Staments also said colonization in the dark was better decades ago. He and everyone else has been trying to get that out of peoples heads ever since
Its not slow even at 66
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283492 - 09/24/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said: Been readin that stamets, I'm telling you man.. 80-85, + another 5 to account for the internal heat, and that shit is simply too warm.
not according to stamets :V
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283502 - 09/24/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly my point.
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22283506 - 09/24/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Staments was wrong 30 years ago when he said 80s were good. I would never colonize warmer than 75. 81-83 is the upper limit above that growth goes slower than it does at 75. But even still I vastly prefer 68-72 to 75 for colonization
Staments also said colonization in the dark was better decades ago. He and everyone else has been trying to get that out of peoples heads ever since
Its not slow even at 66
why would you want that
not only do you have to wait longer but you are giving contaminants more chance to grow
best to colonize as quickly as possible, which happens at ~85F
edit: also, i can't imagine this helps fruiting at all
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#22283560 - 09/24/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Staments was wrong 30 years ago when he said 80s were good. I would never colonize warmer than 75. 81-83 is the upper limit above that growth goes slower than it does at 75. But even still I vastly prefer 68-72 to 75 for colonization
Staments also said colonization in the dark was better decades ago. He and everyone else has been trying to get that out of peoples heads ever since
Its not slow even at 66
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283610 - 09/24/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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bodhisatta said: Staments was wrong 30 years ago when he said 80s were good. I would never colonize warmer than 75. 81-83 is the upper limit above that growth goes slower than it does at 75. But even still I vastly prefer 68-72 to 75 for colonization
Staments also said colonization in the dark was better decades ago. He and everyone else has been trying to get that out of peoples heads ever since
Its not slow even at 66


Getting the cubes to colonize one day quicker won't make a lick of difference when you've increased the speed of everything else by 2-3x. Reliability is more important than speed, especially when that speed comes at the cost of assisting competitors.
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: cronicr]
#22283612 - 09/24/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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as in, it doesn't colonize quicker at 80-85 ???
or as in that is not optimal for some reason
it definitely colonizes quicker at 80-85
this will give a better fluctuation in temperature when fruiting
no reason to re-invent the wheel but i'm curious what people think this "helps"
i have grown them at 70-75, then fruited and it took a lot longer
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283634 - 09/24/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Getting the cubes to colonize one day quicker won't make a lick of difference when you've increased the speed of everything else by 2-3x. Reliability is more important than speed, especially when that speed comes at the cost of assisting competitors.
what is 'everything else' ?
oh, you mean contaminants
everything grows best at a certain temperature, not necessarily the same
you are assisting competitors when you do not have optimal growth conditions
if mycelium grows as fast as possible, it narrows the window of opportunity for competitors
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: micro]
#22283641 - 09/24/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro said: you are assisting competitors when you do not have optimal growth conditions
if mycelium grows as fast as possible, it narrows the window of opportunity for competitors
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283651 - 09/24/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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... great retort :V
how do mushrooms work?
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Re: a certain temperature needs to be reaxhed to trigger spores to germinate? [Re: Inocuole]
#22283667 - 09/24/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have had brf jars colonize in 2-3 weeks at 65-70. It actually gives mycelium the upper hand vs contains which thrive at higher temps.
I have not had colonization speed problems at 65-70, although I have not done as many projects or direct experiments as others.
Cronicr I'm doing Whole Wheat pf tek jars. 10 on cubes. 10 on pan cyans
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