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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282766 - 09/24/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think you might have misread mine. you said, essentially, that gay people are never born gay; which implies that is a misapprehension on people's part in understanding how 'gayness' works...i am disagreeing with you on that one, though people can and do still choose to be gay alot of the time.Quote:
shLong said: I said gay people are born that way Pedos are likely groomed that way
oh i stand corrected. you said "like gay people" and i thought that was following the statement "I don't really think they're born that way" - you can see how i might have gotten that statement confused for the latter implication.
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Also, giving them child porn to quell their urges is not a good idea... Because in the videos, there are innocent victims that shouldn't have to have their image live on like that.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282773 - 09/24/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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that is indeed a horrible idea and pretty well sick in it's conception.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282774 - 09/24/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i think you might have misread mine. you said, essentially, that gay people are never born gay; which implies that is a misapprehension on people's part in understanding how 'gayness' works...i am disagree with you on that one, though people can and do still choose to be gay alot of the time.Quote:
shLong said: I said gay people are born that way Pedos are likely groomed that way
oh i stand corrected. you said "like gay people" and i thought that was following the statement "I don't really think they're born that way" - you can see how i might have gotten that statement confused for the latter implication.
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people
There.. I used poor phrasing on my original reply to OP I suppose... I should've said "like gay people ARE"
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282779 - 09/24/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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not really. i would've said upon further inspection "i don't really think they're born that way, unlike gay people (whom are)."
but it's really not terrible phrasing at all, i just simply got confused.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22282788 - 09/24/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No worries.. I can see how that'd happen. We good we good
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal] 3
#22282801 - 09/24/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Sexual orientation is pretty much determined in the womb. Straight people are naturally straight. Gay people are naturally gay and I believe that pedophiles are simply born that way.
so let me get this straight
when it comes to abortion, a fetus is not a person but when it comes to sexual orientation, a fetus has a gender preference... maybe someone can explain to me how his works
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22282817 - 09/24/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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preference for kids is not a "gender preference".
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22282828 - 09/24/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point externally and that changed their way of seeing it.
It's true a lot of offenders were victims themselves, but not all were. All weren't even traumatized as a child. Some really are just born wired that way. For those who are, they can no more choose their attraction than a gay or straight person can choose theirs. Only thing they can do is choose to indulge in it or not.
I do think the abuse is only as wide spread as it is, because it's just an endless cycle though. If abuse didn't so commonly lead directly to the victim becoming an abuser, we'd probably see much lower rates than we do.
Many victims end up in counseling but I have to wonder if they're really getting the help they need. A year or two in counseling really isn't going to stop the cycle. Especially when that year or two was completed before they were 12 or so and started coming into the sexuality. Therapists are expensive, I think it'd probably be a good idea to set up some kind of program where victims could actually get the long term help they need without destroying them financially. It's a cycle, but it can be broken. We just have to do the right thing to break it.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22282829 - 09/24/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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go abort some babies until you can answer me
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22282845 - 09/24/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point externally and that changed their way of seeing it.
It's true a lot of offenders were victims themselves, but not all were. All weren't even traumatized as a child. Some really are just born wired that way. For those who are, they can no more choose their attraction than a gay or straight person can choose theirs. Only thing they can do is choose to indulge in it or not.
I do think the abuse is only as wide spread as it is, because it's just an endless cycle though. If abuse didn't so commonly lead directly to the victim becoming an abuser, we'd probably see much lower rates than we do.
Many victims end up in counseling but I have to wonder if they're really getting the help they need. A year or two in counseling really isn't going to stop the cycle. Especially when that year or two was completed before they were 12 or so and started coming into the sexuality. Therapists are expensive, I think it'd probably be a good idea to set up some kind of program where victims could actually get the long term help they need without destroying them financially. It's a cycle, but it can be broken. We just have to do the right thing to break it.
I work with an offender that did 5 years for abuse towards boys. I learned he was abused as a child back in the 60s, and I recently learned that one of the boys he abused in the 90s recently got popped for abusing a young boy.. Sad
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22282850 - 09/24/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Sexual orientation is pretty much determined in the womb. Straight people are naturally straight. Gay people are naturally gay and I believe that pedophiles are simply born that way.
so let me get this straight
when it comes to abortion, a fetus is not a person but when it comes to sexual orientation, a fetus has a gender preference... maybe someone can explain to me how his works
It worked like this. If you're a liberal about to lose an argument just say "rape culture" and then you automatically win.
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point externally and that changed their way of seeing it.
It's true a lot of offenders were victims themselves, but not all were. All weren't even traumatized as a child. Some really are just born wired that way. For those who are, they can no more choose their attraction than a gay or straight person can choose theirs. Only thing they can do is choose to indulge in it or not.
I do think the abuse is only as wide spread as it is, because it's just an endless cycle though. If abuse didn't so commonly lead directly to the victim becoming an abuser, we'd probably see much lower rates than we do.
Many victims end up in counseling but I have to wonder if they're really getting the help they need. A year or two in counseling really isn't going to stop the cycle. Especially when that year or two was completed before they were 12 or so and started coming into the sexuality. Therapists are expensive, I think it'd probably be a good idea to set up some kind of program where victims could actually get the long term help they need without destroying them financially. It's a cycle, but it can be broken. We just have to do the right thing to break it.
I've got a radical idea. Why has no one ever thought of punishing the victims? If they are just future child rapists why not just put the known victims of pedophiles on the sex offender lists and warn their neighbors about their high potential for being dangerous child rapists?
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal] 3
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patlal thinks the way to treat pedophiles is giving them child porn, brilliant
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Sheekle] 1
#22282866 - 09/24/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: patlal thinks the way to treat pedophiles is giving them child porn, brilliant
yeah that was kinda cringey
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22282870 - 09/24/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How you thought that reply was even remotely relevant to what I said is beyond me.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#22282876 - 09/24/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is just another version of the young girls thread. I'm just waiting on enjoywho
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22282878 - 09/24/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: go abort some babies until you can answer me
alright i won't try and be clever...yes, you're right Prisoner (excluding the aforementioned fact that "kid" or "child" is not a gender) you're a very intelligent and enlightened individual.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal] 3
#22282879 - 09/24/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Sexual orientation is pretty much determined in the womb. Straight people are naturally straight. Gay people are naturally gay and I believe that pedophiles are simply born that way. It is not a choice that they have. Since this is technically natural for them to be attracted by children, I don't think that sending them to prison (where they will be killed) is the right solution.
It's a cultural factor too. Here, homosexual are ok and pedophile are wrong. In the Middle East, it's the opposite. A man can marry a 12 year old and homosexuals are get there heads chopped off. Who are we to say hat what they believe is wrong? Naturally speaking, when a young girl has her period, she is fertile and younger females make healthier babies. So in a sense, it makes sense.... All the other species are doing it. ...
Alot of people here like to compare pedophilia to sexual orientation, which is offensive to me on many levels.
It's true that these things are defined by society, but you could make the same argument really with any crime. i.e. "That person didn't choose to muder someone, they were just born with a temper and happened to be brought up learning to solve problems with violence."
There is a reason why pedophilia is illegal and homosexuality isn't, because one is much more abhorrent than the other. Should we do away with all stigma for all crimes? Maybe, but I tend to think that this would just make things easier for criminals.
If a pedophile is capable of realizing that they are attracted to children, and has the guts to seek help for this problem before they hurt anyone, then perhaps they can be treated with compassion and have the opportunity to show society that they have some redeeming value. The time to do this is before you molest some kids, not after. I would totally support and respect someone who felt they posed a threat to others so they sought help on their own, but how often does that happen?
Is punishing someone for giving into their natural urges unfair? Perhaps on some level, but when you consider how many children are abused by pedos you can clearly see that the children are the ones getting the short side of the dick here. If someone can't understand why this is wrong I think they don't have the fundamental respect for others required to get by without being a threat to the people around you.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Shroomslip]
#22282884 - 09/24/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: How you thought that reply was even remotely relevant to what I said is beyond me.
because in the realm of ideas everyone is divided into groups, so if you expound on one idea, and if it delineates to another idea possibly, to an opposing group, then the ideas are seen as the same and you are put into a particular group, likely one that the opposer opposes.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Sheekle] 2
#22282891 - 09/24/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: patlal thinks the way to treat pedophiles is giving them child porn, brilliant
it's a typical liberal mindset, if someone robs a bank, steals an old lady's social security check, deals drugs, etc... it's obvious that they were poor so let's just give them money because if they have money they wont be poor and wont be criminals
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