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Patlal
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I feel bad for pedophiles. 1
#22282663 - 09/24/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Sexual orientation is pretty much determined in the womb. Straight people are naturally straight. Gay people are naturally gay and I believe that pedophiles are simply born that way. It is not a choice that they have. Since this is technically natural for them to be attracted by children, I don't think that sending them to prison (where they will be killed) is the right solution.
It's a cultural factor too. Here, homosexual are ok and pedophile are wrong. In the Middle East, it's the opposite. A man can marry a 12 year old and homosexuals are get there heads chopped off. Who are we to say hat what they believe is wrong? Naturally speaking, when a young girl has her period, she is fertile and younger females make healthier babies. So in a sense, it makes sense.... All the other species are doing it.
So here's my solution. Instead of shaming them, hating them and sending them to there inevitable deaths in prison, why not simply train psychologists to deal with these people. They could walk in anonymously, say they are attracted to children in a sexual way and discuss it openly, without judgement with the doc.
Of course, if they act on it, they should be punished. Our culture will never allow that. but if the pedophile says that he has strong urges, the psychologist could "prescribe" him a DVD containing an hour of the already abundant child pornography so he doesn't go and rape a child. It's already out there, why not just use it as a tool you know?
Does that make sense to any of you or am I just my natural bat shit crazy?
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal]
#22282673 - 09/24/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, treatment would be preferable. Of course, the counter argument to that is that being abused is so damaging, simply locking them up and getting a 100% chance of them not re-offending may be preferable to treatment that definitely will not have a 100% success rate. I'd still lean toward treatment and monitoring, but the counter argument is not a bad one.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal]
#22282676 - 09/24/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The west, treat a mental disorder? That is insanity. It would be useful wanting to touch children. Is sexual orientation determined in the womb? Are all people determined in a similar way how they developed their sexuality? Do post birth experiences play a role?
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Patlal
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specialpeopleclub said: The west, treat a mental disorder? That is insanity. It would be useful wanting to touch children. Is sexual orientation determined in the womb? Are all people determined in a similar way how they developed their sexuality? Do post birth experiences play a role?
It is hard to say, but I don't think a sane adult male would simly "choose" to get a hard on when seeing kids
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal] 2
#22282689 - 09/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Does that make sense to any of you or am I just my natural bat shit crazy?
I do think you make sense and some good points worth discussing, but the difference is as far as the homosexuals & pedophiles comparison goes -- homosexuals do what they do with consent. Whereas pedophiles tend to be predators.
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Patlal
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Niffla]
#22282698 - 09/24/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Niffla said:
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Patlal said: Does that make sense to any of you or am I just my natural bat shit crazy?
I do think you make sense and some good points worth discussing, but the difference is as far as the homosexuals & pedophiles comparison goes -- homosexuals do what they do with consent. Whereas pedophiles tend to be predators.
True. Then againyou would be surprise to see how many minors are willingly having consentual sex with pedophiles in exchange for easy money.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal]
#22282710 - 09/24/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: the psychologist could "prescribe" him a DVD containing an hour of the already abundant child pornography so he doesn't go and rape a child. It's already out there, why not just use it as a tool you know?
This will in all likelihood do nothing to prevent someone from offending. May tide them over in the beginning, but eventually it just won't do it and they're going to want more. At that point you're basically encouraging it and that sets a bad precedent.
The best thing you can do is catch them when they're still kids themselves. Juvenile offenders have a lower rate of recidivism than adults. In certain cases, extremely low rates. Treatment is possible, but if you don't catch it early enough, the chances it will work drop significantly.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Niffla]
#22282712 - 09/24/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do think you make some good points and do not have all the answers and I dont really like talking about it but i was sexually abused when I was in 4th grade and honestly the pain and suffering that man caused me while growing up warranted alot more then 2 years in prison. I'd prefer death for him but i had no say.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal]
#22282715 - 09/24/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the issue is complex. some kids actually wouldn't mind having sex, as perverted as that sounds.
but pedophiles are gross individuals nevertheless. they prey on the innocent and they, as adults, should know better then to assert their sexuality on someone who frankly shouldn't be having sex no matter how mature they are mentally.
but they are handled as well as they can be, either by prison, or by notice's and awareness, and/or by people cracking their heads open over pavement.
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I don't really sympathize with them, I think it's selfish to take a child's innocence and abuse them because you want to fulfill your sexual desires. Yes sending them to prison is harsh and especially for people who might have a mental predisposition but it's still not ok.
I'm reaching that age soon where I can no longer fuck 15 year old girls, I'm not complaining even though I know having sex with young teen girls is a pretty different experience than having sex with older girls but I'm perfectly content with 17-18+ olds 
It's called growing up, people have to understand it's inappropriate for a 21 year old to view a 13 year old in a sexual manner
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22282723 - 09/24/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point externally and that changed their way of seeing it.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Janky Tits]
#22282724 - 09/24/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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but I'm perfectly content with 17-18+ olds 
they are frankly still not competent enough for sexual relationships.
i know, what a party pooper eh? but not really.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282729 - 09/24/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point and that changed their way of seeing it.
no, gay people are sometimes born gay, sometimes incredibly gay.
i mean, like when they first gain attributes to their character they are gay and have interests in boys. not the same thing at all as what you're saying Shlong...doesn't mean people don't simply choose to be gay, however.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22282736 - 09/24/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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but I'm perfectly content with 17-18+ olds 
they are frankly still not competent enough for sexual relationships.
A 18 year old isn't competent enough for sex? Wake up dude, they do porn at 18.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: WyoMX] 1
#22282742 - 09/24/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no treatment for liking kinky things.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Patlal] 1
#22282751 - 09/24/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Liberal public education.
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: qman]
#22282755 - 09/24/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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but I'm perfectly content with 17-18+ olds 
they are frankly still not competent enough for sexual relationships.
A 18 year old isn't competent enough for sex? Wake up dude, they do porn at 18. 
yeah, no, i read that completely wrong. 17, meh...i'm on the fence, but 18 is perfectly logical to have sex...though i still say they aren't competent for a real relationship however.
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Patlal said: Now before this thread flames out, let me explain.
Liberal public education.
i wonder what a conservative education looks like....
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#22282758 - 09/24/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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shLong said: I don't really think they're born that way, like gay people...more likely that they were abused or turned on to it at some point and that changed their way of seeing it.
no, gay people are sometimes born gay, sometimes incredibly gay.
i mean, like when they first gain attributes to their character they are gay and have interests in boys. not the same thing at all as what you're saying Shlong...doesn't mean people don't simply choose to be gay, however.
Did you misread my post, or did I misread your reply?
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: shLong]
#22282761 - 09/24/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said gay people are born that way Pedos are likely groomed that way
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Re: I feel bad for pedophiles. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22282765 - 09/24/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can defenately point to some things that imprinted on me after birth, though, women have not really ever been particularly attractive(Kristen Bell possibly)
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