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I need a TC's help
    #22282593 - 09/24/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

 

Are these contams or pins? They have been colonizing almost four weeks and aren't fully colonized


HERES A VIDEO OF THE JAR

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282631 - 09/24/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You don't need a TCs help, those aren't pins, I promise.  If they are, where's the cap?  Why are they so fat and button-looking?  Why are they growing so plentifully in a jar like that?

Pins start out as tiny knots, and then primordia, and those look like they never went through either of those stages.  Plus, just look at the color.  Gotta toss it man.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282638 - 09/24/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This isn't a grain jar, it's pf tek


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282644 - 09/24/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay.  That.. doesn't change anything.  Pins before full colonization means contams anyway, so even if they were pins, they'd still be contaminated.  They aren't though, sorry.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282648 - 09/24/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've had so many mixed opinions. I'm not doin shit with it until a TC comments


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282652 - 09/24/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Okay do nothing then.  Granted, now's a good time to be starting a new batch, so I wouldn't exactly be doing nothing if it were me. :shrug:

These ARE cubensis right?


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282665 - 09/24/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah there cubes


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282692 - 09/24/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are a lot of guys here that have done way more brf grows than any TC... Not to take away what they bring to the community, but just because they have a badge doesn't mean non-TCs' advice is shit (unlike your jar, which has way too much moisture btw... leading me to believe, like Inocuole, that your jar is fucked. Bacterial)  :shakefist:


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Sksoul]
    #22282699 - 09/24/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just don't like the colors or the shapes of any of it... nobody's ever had healthy jars looking like that.  Not once.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282706 - 09/24/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck this shit it's getting thrown on the fucking train tracks by my house lol


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282717 - 09/24/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Can't afford to get mad every time something like that happens though, that shit happens, just gotta have backup plans.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282725 - 09/24/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what kind of bacteria makes the mycelium grow outward like that

and the colour is evenly distributed on the tips

i think it might be trying to form sclerotia even though p cubensis doesn't really do that

but - it doesn't look like a contaminant to me and it doesn't look like pins

i'm just curious here, it's up to the op if he wants to try and fruit it

safe thing to do is to toss it but p cubensis trying to form sclerotia would be cool


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282726 - 09/24/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

How am I gonna have a back up plan for bacterial contams , if it gets one it's fucked regaurdless


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282749 - 09/24/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

By having more than one jar, or more than one set of jars.  That's what a backup plan entails.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282750 - 09/24/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i don't think that is bacteria

if you get a bacterial infection though you can usually smell it

especially once you open the jar

if there is bacteria it is likely in the uncolonised part which means a competitor

not as bad as a pathogen in that case

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By having more than one jar, or more than one set of jars.  That's what a backup plan entails.




or liquid cultures...

that's what i used to do and just put them in the fridge


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282754 - 09/24/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is only one out of four jars


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282760 - 09/24/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I might just throw the cake in a pile of dirt and horse shit and hope for the best


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282763 - 09/24/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Feel free, if you have the means.  Could increase any potential yield if there were one.  Otherwise you'll at least get to see it be nasty in its native environs.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282764 - 09/24/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

or you could leave it there and see what happens

if you are worried about contamination just segregate it from the other jars

but it is pretty well-contained in there

i see nothing wrong with doing that

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282771 - 09/24/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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and you would probably get more fruits that way vs. outside anyway




Vs spawning to hpoo?

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282772 - 09/24/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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By having more than one jar, or more than one set of jars.  That's what a backup plan entails.



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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282776 - 09/24/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ohk I will leave it for another week and put an update post on. This thread


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    #22282777 - 09/24/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looking forward to it.  Never seen a jar like that develop too far past that point.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282783 - 09/24/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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and you would probably get more fruits that way vs. outside anyway




Vs spawning to hpoo?

:dafuq:




Outside, where it's not taken care of?

Yes, I think so. Then again, I was never an outside grower. City boy, lol.

But it obviously has enough moisture and they *will* fruit in the jar.

If he's going to segregate it, it'll probably be closer to fruiting temps anyway.

It'll continue colonising at a slightly reduced rate, too.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282793 - 09/24/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not going to colonize anymore I don't think.  Unlimited FAE is also better than invitro.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282796 - 09/24/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Ohk I will leave it for another week and put an update post on. This thread




nice!

i'll watch the thread because i'm curious what happens

keep in mind if it is going to fruit it may take some time

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282815 - 09/24/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes colonization has slowed dramatically, I will be going to Mexico in January too I would like to get one sucessful grow by the time my vacation rolls around


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282826 - 09/24/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not going to colonize anymore I don't think.




I think he said the bottom is uncolonised.

That is the only thing that makes me think bacteria, not what is in the picture.

If it isn't bacteria it should colonise it.

It might be wise to put a layer of vermiculite at the bottom for excess moisture imo.

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Unlimited FAE is also better than invitro.




not really in vitro but in vivo, lol

that is a term for experiments with cells in test tubes vs. the live animal

i know people use it this way but i can't help but point out the fallacy

but - you are right and it will grow more that way

in this case however, we are worried about a possible contaminated jar

that isn't really an option

i think if it is contamination it is probably a competitor so might not be that bad

but it could be blotch or something as well, who knows

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    #22282843 - 09/24/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I also didn't mention this jar is only stored at 72f


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282846 - 09/24/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes colonization has slowed dramatically, I will be going to Mexico in January too I would like to get one sucessful grow by the time my vacation rolls around




The other ones are fine, right?

It should be fine then to fruit them as normal and they should grow.

Not sure what you usually do, terrarium or casing or straw or whatever, but it should be fine.

I'd just keep the one separate until you can confirm or deny contamination.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282853 - 09/24/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm.....want to see this outside of the jar. reminds me of PE mutant blobs...


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But they look a little to uniform and the lack of caps concerns me. still, i would think it be cool to see this cake outside of the jar.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282867 - 09/24/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I also didn't mention this jar is only stored at 72f




When it was colonising?

That's fruiting temps, if this were the case you might want to cold shock it in the fridge.

In my experience though, cubes tend to fruit eventually, regardless.

I've had it take up to a month but that was in bags I accidentally left at colonising temps.

I'd keep it around that temperature anyway to induce primordia and curb any contaminant growth.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282868 - 09/24/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is my first attempt ever, I don't usually do anything Cus I haven't gotten that far yet lol, I'll post pics of others one when I get home


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282875 - 09/24/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

cold shock? The fuck?  Okay now we're getting into weird territory.  This is a tropical species we're talking about.  Cold shocking isn't something they like.  There isn't a difference between fruiting and colonizing temps ideally to the home grower.  Everything occurs between 70-75F just fine.

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It's important to note that cubes fruit during the summer months.  They don't wait for a cold front to shock them into fruiting.  Thus, the whole deal with cold shocking was from early growers using it after reading how to cold shock shiitake, so they tried it on cubes. However, despite their efforts, they got fruits.  They then attributed the fact that their trays fruited to the cold shock, and a myth was born.





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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22282888 - 09/24/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no prob

if it is a terrarium i'm sure plenty of people can help you if you need

i have far more experience casing; easier and works better imo

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22282904 - 09/24/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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cold shock? The fuck?  Okay now we're getting into weird territory.  This is a tropical species we're talking about.  Cold shocking isn't something they like.  There isn't a difference between fruiting and colonizing temps ideally to the home grower.  Everything occurs between 70-75F just fine.




isn't something they like as in, it makes them sad ???

the reason you turn down the temp is primordia are triggered by temperature fluctuations among other things

even in tropical areas there are times when it gets cold, lol

cold shocking can help this but isn't necessary in P. cubensis

but if it was colonising at fruiting temps it won't have as much of a fluctuation

i think it will still fruit either way but a cold shock may speed it up if this is the case

oh, one of those other things is often a lack of available nutrients

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
    #22282911 - 09/24/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've just heard that it slows it down.  It seems unanimous when you search "cold shock" and check the Trusted Cultivator box.  I've never cold shocked anything in my life and everything pins great.


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    #22282921 - 09/24/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've just heard that it slows it down.  It seems unanimous when you search "cold shock" and check the Trusted Cultivator box.




cold temperatures will slow growth, sure but a cold shock is usually overnight in the fridge

that won't really affect growth and i've noticed it speed things up

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    #22282942 - 09/24/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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24 hours, cool tap water.

Cold shocking does nothing, but cool water will help bacteria not form.




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Sounds bizarre. Cold shocking is an obsolete practice, never any need to put it in the fridge. .



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I dunk mine in ice water and they usually rip right off in about a week.




I bet I could dunk cakes in a toilet and they would rip right off in about a week. Corrolation does not equal causation. Cold shocking has no benefit for a tropical species. As cron already told you.



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Go ahead and fruit it but there is no need to drop the temp. Tropical species like cubes do not benefit from a cold shock.



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    #22282990 - 09/24/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/53/Apprentice-Casing-Tek said:
1. Temperature & Cold Shocking

According to Stamets: The Mushroom Cultivator, the ideal temperature for Psilocybe cubensis during colonization of the substrate and initial colonization of the casing layer is 84-86 degrees Fahrenheit. A 10 degree drop in temperature to 74-78 degrees Fahrenheit is generally enough to initiate the pinning process.

A technique once taught to me by the wise and mysterious "Mr. G" (formerly of Foggy Mountain Farms), is a little more extreme however. It involves cold shocking the casing by covering the tray with tin foil and placing it in the refrigerator for 24 hours prior to birthing into the fruiting terrarium. This cold shock really let's the mycelium knows it's time to fruit, and may serve to not only increase the size of the first flush, but also slow the previously mentioned mycelial momentum. The jury is still out on this one however... Some growers have expressed concerns regarding the bacterial count in their household fridge, while others persist that it's not necessary.

My advice is to try the 10 degree drop first. If that works for you, then stick with it. If however you are still having problems (Perhaps you live in a region where the temperature is too high to provide a 10 degree drop in temperature?), give the cold shock a try; it might just do the trick.




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I don't cold shock. I used to though and it definitely does trigger those fuckers to come out.
Strange, i know. But i live in a native cube region and have monitored the weather over the past decade. A cool spell in the summer followed by some rainy sweaty days is a great indication that there's gonna be a lot of mushrooms.




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    #22283386 - 09/24/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Anybody notice how tc's seem to vanish when there called on?


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i am uploading a video in 1080p of the jars very soon


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    #22283699 - 09/24/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22283725 - 09/24/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think they're blobs, but I'm far from an expert.


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    #22283812 - 09/24/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yep just blobs, cakes are very nutritious


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whats a blob? fungal? or bacterial contam


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    #22283832 - 09/24/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

just a blob of myc


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so this cake isn't fucked?


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    #22283843 - 09/24/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah the video helps a lot, those are definitely.. some weird kinda blob, indeed.  Still begs the question why it's stalled out.  Could still be fucked, could potentially not be fucked if it finishes colonizing.


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    #22283845 - 09/24/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A blob, to my knowledge, is a mutation of a fruit. The most common variety that blobs is Penis Envy, a very potent cubensis mutant. Here's a current tub of mine which is blobbing along the sides.



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should i fruit the jar or wait ? the blobs are getting bigger as we speak lol and the myc has slowed down


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funny, penis envy was exactly one of the strain mentioned with this "pseudo sclerotia"

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    #22283895 - 09/24/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

if it has fully colonized birth it, if it has stalled you can rinse the uncolonized shit off gently under the faucet


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    #22283898 - 09/24/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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should i fruit the jar or wait ? the blobs are getting bigger as we speak lol and the myc has slowed down




dude, it has been like 6 hours lol

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the rush is i don't want a ton of blobs to effing form while waitingg for it to colonize


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    #22283915 - 09/24/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

blobs don't hurt nothing


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but if a ton of blobs grown won't that fuck up fruits that try to grow? or make less fruits grow?


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    #22283960 - 09/24/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

whats the diff between a blob and a fruit other then spores?


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    #22283961 - 09/24/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's not something you can really hope to control though.

Seems you have 2 options.  You can see if it'll finish colonizing, or you can take it out right now, rinse off anything uncolonized (rinse it particularly well or it'll just be a mold magnet), and fruit it.


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    #22283964 - 09/24/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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but if a ton of blobs grown won't that fuck up fruits that try to grow? or make less fruits grow?




You can dry and eat blobs just like traditional fruits. That's why I picked mine. :smile:


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    #22283966 - 09/24/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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whats the diff between a blob and a fruit other then spores?




cancer :v

are those really attempted primordia ?

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but if a ton of blobs grown won't that fuck up fruits that try to grow? or make less fruits grow?




You can dry and eat blobs just like traditional fruits. That's why I picked mine. :smile:





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    #22283982 - 09/24/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yeah more less it's an attempted fruit, shitake do this all the time if not consolidated properly


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    #22283993 - 09/24/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22284037 - 09/24/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you cron, only tc that actually helped me out today.. and thats not to say that non tcs advice is bad i was just looking for an educated opinion in this situation, also here is one of my jars that i am excited for

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    #22284057 - 09/24/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You got better advice when you gave a better view, to be fair.  The first picture looked pretty bad.


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it's not contamination and it isn't pins

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    #22284700 - 09/24/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

here is a piece from birth that bruised blue, even though it is a blob I'm proud to have produced my first piece of shroom




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That FC :mygoditsfullofstars:


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    #22285157 - 09/24/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

whats wrong with it? its a plastic tote cut a hole in the lid for light and holes on the side and perlite for humidity?


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whats wrong with it? its a plastic tote cut a hole in the lid for light and holes on the side and perlite for humidity?




The holes are the only issue. All the rest are okay. You need to have holes on all six sides. 1/4'' holes, drilled every 2'', in a grid style pattern. Holes on just the side aren't gonna cut it. Make sure to put holes in the seran wrap window, not just the lid.

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im sure the holes arent that big of a deal if i fan it like 3 times a day, im always at home


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:smbfacepalm:

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i have like 12 holes on each side atleast 1/3 of an inch id say bigger.


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i have like 12 holes on each side atleast 1/3 of an inch id say bigger.




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    #22285365 - 09/24/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The idea is to have holes that allow FAE and don't completely compromise your RH. Massive holes on either end are likely to just constantly dry out your substrate, also big enough for rats etc to jump through and feast on your food supply. Being somewhat facetious, but there is a reason that SGFC's/MONO's etc are designed the way they are.

If you are using huge holes, at least get some polyfil or something in there.. Your jar is fine though, just myc knots/blobs, not sure why no one said that sooner, nothing that looks like a contam even in the first pic.

I would re-build your FC and follow the tried and tested designs, otherwise you are going to get shit from everyone regardless of what other questions or problems you may have.

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: egodeathflux]
    #22285434 - 09/24/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

im gonna have to use this fc until i build a new one, i only have another big ass tub that i could use and i dont think i have enough perlite for 4 inchs on the bottom


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22285738 - 09/24/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

also in this guide to pf tek he uses a glass terrarium and has no holes in it

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    #22285925 - 09/24/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea and hes also working in open air while dropping agar on grains, dressed in a full lab coat and gloves. :laugh2:
Just because he made a video doesn't make any of his information correct.

It was a long video. I caught the part where he states open air is just for video demonstration, so my bad on that. Still silly to look that way in open air if its just for demonstration. As it stands though, his FC was pis poor. You can have a piss poor FC work. It's just not ideal, and could detrimentally effect your grow. A lot of things change very fast in this hobby. The operation of an ideal FC has not.


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    #22285948 - 09/24/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

at certain points in the video he shows parts where there is mushrooms growing off the cake in the terrarium, if he can get them to grow in that piece of shit why do we need so many holes in our totes?


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    #22285976 - 09/24/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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at certain points in the video he shows parts where there is mushrooms growing off the cake in the terrarium, if he can get them to grow in that piece of shit why do we need so many holes in our totes?




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As it stands though, his FC was pis poor. You can have a piss poor FC work. It's just not ideal, and could detrimentally effect your grow. A lot of things change very fast in this hobby. The operation of an ideal FC has not.




Take some time and read man. I literally posted this link twice, this information was almost at the very start of the thread. This hobby takes a lot of reading and learning. You cant expect answers on everything. :cheers:


A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.


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    #22286035 - 09/24/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22286140 - 09/24/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of people have put in a lot of work and dealt with a lot of trial and error so that you don't have to. All you've got to do is read and follow the directions.

If you don't follow the directions of the tek and you end up with a shitty outcome (low yield, poorly developed fruits, etc.)  Just remember that it is your fault.

Can you get a cube to fruit in less than ideal conditions? Absolutely. But when you put in the effort to do it right, you will end up with great results and save yourself time and energy.

The people giving you advice only want to see you succeed, because I am sure many of them have already made these mistakes before. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here. We just need to be willing to follow directions (to the T) and accept the fact that you are not an expert (yet).

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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Couperj]
    #22286262 - 09/24/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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at certain points in the video he shows parts where there is mushrooms growing off the cake in the terrarium, if he can get them to grow in that piece of shit why do we need so many holes in our totes?



you absolutely can. but you better be there every hr. on the hr. fanning. dont mist too much or you could water sog them and cause bacterial blotch. dont leave town or you DEFINITELY will, unless you have a friend you can trust. oh and dont forget you cant let water pool in the bottom of a hole-less tub. easy start for bacteria. and pooling water attracts water vapor o that might mess with your humidity...
ooooor you could just put holes in it like the tek said and avoid all this unwanted and unnecessary work. equal to or greater results with a fraction of the work...


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: aerow.thefox]
    #22287193 - 09/25/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i will be making a mono tub or new sgfc when i get home from school


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22287221 - 09/25/15 06:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i will be making a mono tub or new sgfc when i get home from school




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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
    #22287269 - 09/25/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Gonna use the tek, and build a stand too or I might just use jar lids... I have a laptop fan that blows air up so I could use it to blow air in through under the sgfc


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22287886 - 09/25/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I.. don't recommend that.  If it's properly built the SGFC will just work.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288485 - 09/25/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do I also need to fam it if I build the sgfc properly ?


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    #22288493 - 09/25/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Fanning isn't really necessary.  The only time it's ever a remotely good idea to fan it is immediately after misting it, so help jumpstart evaporation and increase the humidity.  Could just as easily leave it alone for 5 minutes and it'd do it on its own.  All you really wanna do is exchange the air in the chamber with new air, not necessarily fan the hell out of it.  Just getting the old air out is enough.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288523 - 09/25/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'll upload  a video of my new one, it's still not a clear tub bcus I don't have one lol


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    #22288525 - 09/25/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't matter, just means you need to make a window or something for light.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288660 - 09/25/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

should i mist the whole sgfc including the cakes themself or try not to get the cakes wet?


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    #22288671 - 09/25/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms are 90% water so... definitely want the cakes to get some of it.  If you can avoid the mushrooms that's usually good to make drying easier later, but the mycelium is probably thirsty.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22288683 - 09/25/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Do you want the cakes wet to the touch ? Or just damp I've seen people say that water droplets on your cakes can harm it


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    #22288686 - 09/25/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just glistening with tiny droplets, no pooling, no waterlogging.  If it looks dull and kind of dry, mist til it glistens, if it's still glistening, let it be.  You'll figure out what dry looks like.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22288689 - 09/25/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Damp and wet to the touch are pretty much the same thing.

Mist until you see the whole cake is glistening with moisture but no pooling on the top or sides has happened.

Inoc just used a great word, dull. If it looks dull, mist it. If it looks shiny give it some time. A dry cake will literally look like a dry cake, I don't know how else to describe it :lol:


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    #22292016 - 09/26/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Day 2 in fc and PINS ! :headbanger:


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    #22292151 - 09/26/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22292250 - 09/26/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Heeey actual pins.


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    #22292295 - 09/26/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah and this was the jar everyone told me to toss lol


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    #22292313 - 09/26/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Again, before you showed a good view of it. :shrug:


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    #22292329 - 09/26/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22292341 - 09/26/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That and cron gave top notch advice


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    #22292355 - 09/26/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What, fruit it?  That it was a blob and not a pin?  Anybody could've seen that once you actually posted a video.  Not to undermine cron, but he didn't show up with an opinion until after you posted that video.

A picture of weird shit pressed up against glass and you saying it's not even colonized wasn't a good start for most people who were trying to help.


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    #22292357 - 09/26/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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knew it was blobs. lol



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Yeah and this was the jar everyone told me to toss lol





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    #22292369 - 09/26/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What, fruit it?  That it was a blob and not a pin?  Anybody could've seen that once you actually posted a video.  Not to undermine cron, but he didn't show up with an opinion until after you posted that video.

A picture of weird shit pressed up against glass and you saying it's not even colonized wasn't a good start.




What's the difference between a picture and a video of weird shit pressed up against glass, they were both good quality, and also everyone was sayin that they are contams and or blobs so I didn't know who's advice to accept until a TC gave it to me, because I had so many mixed opinions.

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    #22292374 - 09/26/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You.. don't understand the difference between the quality of the picture and the quality of the video?  I don't believe that, or you wouldn't have bothered posting the video.  You can see angles of the blobs and confirm they're blobs, instead of looking like brown lumps smashed against glass, which looks like an infection.

I'm just glad you have actual pins now.  No telling what the rest of the cake will do, could still go bad if there was bacteria.


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    #22292378 - 09/26/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nigga please! :lol: All you gotta do is provide the information. We weren't there for the whole grow, so all we can do is compare the pics to similar grows we've had before. The thing to keep in mind is when someone says to toss it, it's because they tossed something that looked very similar to it.


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    #22292385 - 09/26/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I understand that you can get a better look with a video but the picture wasn't blurry and was good quality , to me the blobs looked the same in person on the photo and in the video


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You.. don't understand the difference between the quality of the picture and the quality of the video?  I don't believe that, or you wouldn't have bothered posting the video.  You can see angles of the blobs and confirm they're blobs, instead of looking like brown lumps smashed against glass, which looks like an infection.

I'm just glad you have actual pins now.  No telling what the rest of the cake will do, could still go bad if there was bacteria.




I don't think there was any bacteria the jar smelt like pure mushrooms when I opened it and I know the fuckin smell of mushrooms, my brothers girlfriend is stupid it did not smell like dirt


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    #22292413 - 09/26/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Le sigh.

Do you know how many contams there are out there? Do you know how ridiculously similar they all can look?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17305253
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=22&Number=22103561&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#22103561

your blobs looked like they could have been a white mold, a contaminating mushroom, or bacterial bulging. It was especially bad when you said it wasn't colonizing at all and smells like dirt. This is what I mean by all we can do is base it off of the information and pics provided.


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    #22292432 - 09/26/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeeeesh I hope nun that shit happen to me omf !


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    #22292439 - 09/26/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lolsy: I don't wish it upon anyone. I'm just saying that you'd be surprised how many stuff can make those blobs :lol:.

I'm glad you are getting pins tho :smile:


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:lolsy: I don't wish it upon anyone. I'm just saying that you'd be surprised how many stuff can make those blobs :lol:.

I'm glad you are getting pins tho :smile:




Thanks man, I'm  excited to see what they produce ! Here's a close up of the biggest pin on it



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    #22292476 - 09/26/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All I said was it wasn't worth the effort and harvest, and that was for the best looking cake.


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    #22292481 - 09/26/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sure that wasn't another thread you're thinking of bod?


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: NewToCultivation]
    #22292524 - 09/26/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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knew it was blobs. lol



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Yeah and this was the jar everyone told me to toss lol





>_>




Lol I was waiting for a TC To confirm it sorry don, maybe I should trust non TC's a bit more






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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Dionili]
    #22292530 - 09/26/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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knew it was blobs. lol



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Yeah and this was the jar everyone told me to toss lol





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Lol I was waiting for a TC To confirm it sorry don, maybe I should trust non TC's a bit more






I would like to be a TC one day.


Shit all my friends are now >_>




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By being the biggest dick without getting banned. Semi quoted by cronicr the legend himself :lol:


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    #22292549 - 09/26/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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By being the biggest dick without getting banned. Semi quoted by cronicr the legend himself :lol:




This is true.  Why do you think I act this way?  :lol:

Just kidding.  It's awarded upon consensus that you deserve it.  Nobody who asks for it ever gets it, and people who do get it aren't actually expected to do anything because of it.  They just do because that's the kind of people they are.


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    #22292612 - 09/26/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

haha thats funny. bu i made a new account the other day and made a post on how to change my avatar and they banned me ... they are dicks


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    #22292624 - 09/26/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I bet you made that post somewhere it shouldn't have been.  Changing your avatar is as easy as uploading an image on the site and clicking the text in that says "Make this my avatar!" which appears right after it's finished uploading. :shrug:


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    #22292638 - 09/26/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

by helping people and giving correct and useful information.


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Dionili]
    #22292671 - 09/26/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

going to buy three spore syringes in like 5 minutes my other one is fucked from that shitty water i pulled init. gonna steam it and use it to make a new spore syringe


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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
    #22292790 - 09/26/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sure that wasn't another thread you're thinking of bod?



Yep it was hah. Too many people making two or three threads with the same stuff gets confusing. I swore I saw that jar in another thread.


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    #22292803 - 09/26/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have no idea which one it was but I know the thread you were thinking of...


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