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aerow.thefox
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282772 - 09/24/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: By having more than one jar, or more than one set of jars. That's what a backup plan entails.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282776 - 09/24/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ohk I will leave it for another week and put an update post on. This thread
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Looking forward to it. Never seen a jar like that develop too far past that point.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282783 - 09/24/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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micro said: and you would probably get more fruits that way vs. outside anyway
Vs spawning to hpoo?

Outside, where it's not taken care of?
Yes, I think so. Then again, I was never an outside grower. City boy, lol.
But it obviously has enough moisture and they *will* fruit in the jar.
If he's going to segregate it, it'll probably be closer to fruiting temps anyway.
It'll continue colonising at a slightly reduced rate, too.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282793 - 09/24/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not going to colonize anymore I don't think. Unlimited FAE is also better than invitro.
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NewToCultivation said: Ohk I will leave it for another week and put an update post on. This thread
nice!
i'll watch the thread because i'm curious what happens
keep in mind if it is going to fruit it may take some time
but you should be able to tell if it is contamination at that point
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282815 - 09/24/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes colonization has slowed dramatically, I will be going to Mexico in January too I would like to get one sucessful grow by the time my vacation rolls around
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282826 - 09/24/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: It's not going to colonize anymore I don't think.
I think he said the bottom is uncolonised.
That is the only thing that makes me think bacteria, not what is in the picture.
If it isn't bacteria it should colonise it.
It might be wise to put a layer of vermiculite at the bottom for excess moisture imo.
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Inocuole said: Unlimited FAE is also better than invitro.
not really in vitro but in vivo, lol
that is a term for experiments with cells in test tubes vs. the live animal
i know people use it this way but i can't help but point out the fallacy
but - you are right and it will grow more that way
in this case however, we are worried about a possible contaminated jar
that isn't really an option
i think if it is contamination it is probably a competitor so might not be that bad
but it could be blotch or something as well, who knows
all i know is if the jar is well-separated it shouldn't affect the others
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282843 - 09/24/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I also didn't mention this jar is only stored at 72f
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NewToCultivation said: Yes colonization has slowed dramatically, I will be going to Mexico in January too I would like to get one sucessful grow by the time my vacation rolls around
The other ones are fine, right?
It should be fine then to fruit them as normal and they should grow.
Not sure what you usually do, terrarium or casing or straw or whatever, but it should be fine.
I'd just keep the one separate until you can confirm or deny contamination.
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hmmm.....want to see this outside of the jar. reminds me of PE mutant blobs...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13523546#13523546
But they look a little to uniform and the lack of caps concerns me. still, i would think it be cool to see this cake outside of the jar.
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NewToCultivation said: I also didn't mention this jar is only stored at 72f
When it was colonising?
That's fruiting temps, if this were the case you might want to cold shock it in the fridge.
In my experience though, cubes tend to fruit eventually, regardless.
I've had it take up to a month but that was in bags I accidentally left at colonising temps.
I'd keep it around that temperature anyway to induce primordia and curb any contaminant growth.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282868 - 09/24/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is my first attempt ever, I don't usually do anything Cus I haven't gotten that far yet lol, I'll post pics of others one when I get home
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282875 - 09/24/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cold shock? The fuck? Okay now we're getting into weird territory. This is a tropical species we're talking about. Cold shocking isn't something they like. There isn't a difference between fruiting and colonizing temps ideally to the home grower. Everything occurs between 70-75F just fine.
Hate to quote RR but...
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RogerRabbit said: It's important to note that cubes fruit during the summer months. They don't wait for a cold front to shock them into fruiting. Thus, the whole deal with cold shocking was from early growers using it after reading how to cold shock shiitake, so they tried it on cubes. However, despite their efforts, they got fruits. They then attributed the fact that their trays fruited to the cold shock, and a myth was born.
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no prob
if it is a terrarium i'm sure plenty of people can help you if you need
i have far more experience casing; easier and works better imo
(i never had to worry about humidifiers, just put it in bins covered with plastic, fan and mist every day)
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282904 - 09/24/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: cold shock? The fuck? Okay now we're getting into weird territory. This is a tropical species we're talking about. Cold shocking isn't something they like. There isn't a difference between fruiting and colonizing temps ideally to the home grower. Everything occurs between 70-75F just fine.
isn't something they like as in, it makes them sad ???
the reason you turn down the temp is primordia are triggered by temperature fluctuations among other things
even in tropical areas there are times when it gets cold, lol
cold shocking can help this but isn't necessary in P. cubensis
but if it was colonising at fruiting temps it won't have as much of a fluctuation
i think it will still fruit either way but a cold shock may speed it up if this is the case
oh, one of those other things is often a lack of available nutrients
i think that is what triggers pinning in jars/bags at higher temps
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282911 - 09/24/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've just heard that it slows it down. It seems unanimous when you search "cold shock" and check the Trusted Cultivator box. I've never cold shocked anything in my life and everything pins great.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282921 - 09/24/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I've just heard that it slows it down. It seems unanimous when you search "cold shock" and check the Trusted Cultivator box.
cold temperatures will slow growth, sure but a cold shock is usually overnight in the fridge
that won't really affect growth and i've noticed it speed things up
i think it was in stamets et al., too
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: micro]
#22282942 - 09/24/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: 24 hours, cool tap water.
Cold shocking does nothing, but cool water will help bacteria not form.
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Pastywhyte said: Sounds bizarre. Cold shocking is an obsolete practice, never any need to put it in the fridge. .
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Booger The Cat said: I dunk mine in ice water and they usually rip right off in about a week.
I bet I could dunk cakes in a toilet and they would rip right off in about a week. Corrolation does not equal causation. Cold shocking has no benefit for a tropical species. As cron already told you.
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MudaFuka said: Go ahead and fruit it but there is no need to drop the temp. Tropical species like cubes do not benefit from a cold shock.
That's just on the first page of results. All TCs that I trust to know what they're talking about. I don't trust stamets on cube-related matters anymore.  Pasty, Muda and Cron have better grows than I've ever seen from anybody.
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Re: I need a TC's help [Re: Inocuole]
#22282990 - 09/24/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/53/Apprentice-Casing-Tek said: 1. Temperature & Cold Shocking
According to Stamets: The Mushroom Cultivator, the ideal temperature for Psilocybe cubensis during colonization of the substrate and initial colonization of the casing layer is 84-86 degrees Fahrenheit. A 10 degree drop in temperature to 74-78 degrees Fahrenheit is generally enough to initiate the pinning process.
A technique once taught to me by the wise and mysterious "Mr. G" (formerly of Foggy Mountain Farms), is a little more extreme however. It involves cold shocking the casing by covering the tray with tin foil and placing it in the refrigerator for 24 hours prior to birthing into the fruiting terrarium. This cold shock really let's the mycelium knows it's time to fruit, and may serve to not only increase the size of the first flush, but also slow the previously mentioned mycelial momentum. The jury is still out on this one however... Some growers have expressed concerns regarding the bacterial count in their household fridge, while others persist that it's not necessary.
My advice is to try the 10 degree drop first. If that works for you, then stick with it. If however you are still having problems (Perhaps you live in a region where the temperature is too high to provide a 10 degree drop in temperature?), give the cold shock a try; it might just do the trick.
We also just had a discussion on this:
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azur said: I don't cold shock. I used to though and it definitely does trigger those fuckers to come out. Strange, i know. But i live in a native cube region and have monitored the weather over the past decade. A cool spell in the summer followed by some rainy sweaty days is a great indication that there's gonna be a lot of mushrooms.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22279919#22279919
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