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Starting up shiitakes
    #22281819 - 09/24/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So there's obviously *tons* of info about growing shiitakes, I can search and read and do all that, what I've had a little more trouble finding info about is the best way to start. 

Obviously one of the prime desirable qualities is how they taste, and I assume this will be at least slightly different between different strains.

My current plan is to rather than buy a starter culture, to shop around, taste test a few, and clone a few promising ones to agar.

Am I over thinking this?  Is a shiitake a shiitake is a shiitake?  :smile:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22281828 - 09/24/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:popcorn:

I'm interested too!

I have heard most of the commercially grown stuff is shiitake 75 due to its size and reliability but that there are better tasting strains.

Right now i only have 75 so i have no way of knowing.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22281839 - 09/24/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:popcorn:

I'm interested too!

I have heard most of the commercially grown stuff is shiitake 75 due to its size and reliability but that there are better tasting strains.

Right now i only have 75 so i have no way of knowing.




If that's true then that's probably what I'd end up with from grocery stores here anyway, but I'm kinda excited about cloning and agar work anyway so I'll probably still do that. :smile:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22282538 - 09/24/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have heard most of the commercially grown stuff is shiitake 75 due to its size and reliability but that there are better tasting strains.




not a chance in hell anyone would grow shiitake 75 commercially.  it's yields are low and it  throws off a lot of mutants.  most of the commerically grown strains in the US are 3782, CS-1, and 4075 (that I know of).  We grow 3782 and are trialing 4075.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22282541 - 09/24/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22284535 - 09/24/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

RR had said many were 75 but that post was a few years old so I'm not surprised people have moved on to better genetics.

Good to know what are the most commonly used nowadays! Thanks, i'm super new to shiitake and like OP I am also looking to find a good tasting strain.

Do you have a favorite strain in terms of taste?


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22287409 - 09/25/15 07:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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RR had said many were 75 but that post was a few years old so I'm not surprised people have moved on to better genetics.

Good to know what are the most commonly used nowadays! Thanks, i'm super new to shiitake and like OP I am also looking to find a good tasting strain.

Do you have a favorite strain in terms of taste?



a shiitake is a shiitake.  they all taste the same to me.  different strains will make different sized caps, like small to huge.  as shown in that chart i posted.  even then, if you only have one pin on a block it's likely to get giant if you let it.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22288979 - 09/25/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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RR had said many were 75 but that post was a few years old so I'm not surprised people have moved on to better genetics.

Good to know what are the most commonly used nowadays! Thanks, i'm super new to shiitake and like OP I am also looking to find a good tasting strain.

Do you have a favorite strain in terms of taste?



a shiitake is a shiitake.  they all taste the same to me.  different strains will make different sized caps, like small to huge.  as shown in that chart i posted.  even then, if you only have one pin on a block it's likely to get giant if you let it.




Sounds like my plan of cloning a fruit from the store is a decent one then.  At least I'll know I have a strain that is considered commercially viable, even though I won't know what strain it is. :smile:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22290130 - 09/25/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Good luck!

It should work just fine, the only problem I could see you running into is that of
senescence. Just a quick rundown on the subject, for educational purposes

When you take a clone of a mushroom, you're using tissue that has grown fromm a tiny
mycelial mass, then grown out to a massive scale for commercial production where often
times they push the mycelium to the max amount possible that it can be expanded. You
can only grow out that mass so much before the growth starts to decline, which could
affectyields, colonization times, etc.

Again for a starter project it should be fine. Here is what I'm talking about:



You can see that you have the same genetics up until spores drop and the spores
become haploid (1 set of chromosomes) hyphae. Two haploid hyphae join and become
one diploid mycelium. The mushrooms that are picked have more or less the same
genetics as the original diploid mycelium that started from two hyphae meeting.

Since that same genetic material has grown and grown and grown (mitosis) you will
eventually reach a point where that genetic material reaches a point of senescence,
where it will not want to grow as fast any longer and is ready to form spores and produce
progeny.

Anyways, maybe too much information, I dunno. Take what you will from it

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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22291391 - 09/26/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Definitely not too much information, and something that I have thought about.  My plan was to clone to agar, get a clean plate, and save that as sort of a master, or even do a slant from it.

My thought process is that commercially grown mushrooms probably don't come from clones of clones, and that there should still be some good life left in the mycelium. 

I'd also take prints and do some re-isolation from there, with the understanding that once you go back to spores, senescence is no longer and issue, although you do go back to varied genetics.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22294960 - 09/26/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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maybe too much information, I dunno.





Not at all. The more the better.:thumbup:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: champinhom]
    #22295402 - 09/26/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

senescence is largely a fallacy.  what's more important is getting a fresh mushroom to work with.  i would suggest a farmer's market over a grocery store for quality genetics.  most grocery store mushrooms are shit.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22298247 - 09/27/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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senescence is largely a fallacy.  what's more important is getting a fresh mushroom to work with.  i would suggest a farmer's market over a grocery store for quality genetics.  most grocery store mushrooms are shit.




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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: mikesethnobotany]
    #22298466 - 09/27/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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senescence is largely a fallacy.  what's more important is getting a fresh mushroom to work with.  i would suggest a farmer's market over a grocery store for quality genetics.  most grocery store mushrooms are shit.




Your website has "expired" btw



Yeah I took it down when I quit selling cultures and converted from diversified mushrooms to only shiitakes.  I still pay for hosting so I get emails and all our stuff is on facebook.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22321478 - 10/01/15 10:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Update:  I got agar supplies and used pasty's agar tek, put down 6 each of shiitake and oyster.  Ended up not doing a taste test because of the 4 or 5 stores I went to, only one had shiitake that didn't look like it had been sitting there for a month.

It's only been a couple days so it's hard to tell for sure, but the shiitake seems to be doing very poorly, with most of the chunks starting to turn black. 

The oysters seems to be doing ok though, starting to see a tiny bit of mycelium growing.  :smile:

If this batch goes south, I'll give it another try before breaking down and buying spores or a culture.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22321486 - 10/01/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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senescence is largely a fallacy.  what's more important is getting a fresh mushroom to work with.  i would suggest a farmer's market over a grocery store for quality genetics.  most grocery store mushrooms are shit.




I think I have like one or two more weeks before farmers markets shut down here, so that will be my next shot if the current set of pastyplates don't pan out


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22321627 - 10/01/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And if that doesn't work:

1. Read up on everything while you wait to have access to the marketplace.
2. Trade for a wedge/slant/plate or purchase one from a sponser.

Shiitake are really slow and somewhat delicate in my experience. Oysters on the other hand, can't be stopped :lol: :flamethrow:

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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22322394 - 10/02/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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And if that doesn't work:

1. Read up on everything while you wait to have access to the marketplace.
2. Trade for a wedge/slant/plate or purchase one from a sponser.

Shiitake are really slow and somewhat delicate in my experience. Oysters on the other hand, can't be stopped :lol: :flamethrow:

Good luck and keep us updated!




probably because you get your strains from the market place.  they should be almost as fast as oysters on agar, only slightly slower on grain and sawdust.  sourcing high quality information and genetics is the biggest hurdle in becoming a professional grower.  I would suggest purchasing a slant of shiitake 3782 from Aloha or Mycelia.  Or trading with someone if you can't afford it.  I don't know any successful small time growers that grow any other strain.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22323025 - 10/02/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah i've been told my 75 was passed around a lot and known for being a pretty slow colonizer.

It does do very well on agar but when i drop wedges to grain the oysters really leave them in the dust. :shrug:

Does sporulation help "revive" the culture? Or is it something aside from senescence from transfers that causes them to lose their vigor?

Regardless I'm going take your advice and try to get 3782. A shiitake that does almost as good as oysters in terms of colonization on grains/sub sounds great!

Thanks for the tips :cheers:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22323860 - 10/02/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There's actually lots of small & successful growers using many other shiitake cultures besides shiitake 3782.

Many of the field and forest shiiatke strains are very fruitful and don't cost much to aquire. :aweohyou:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22324205 - 10/02/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I have seen some reports that wild type specimens are less likely to experience cell senescence so that is also a positive.

I wouldn't be surprised if any culture could be molded into a winning thoroughbred through breeding and isolation. All cultures were at some point a wild type and made into what they are today.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: poofterFroth]
    #22324447 - 10/02/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There's actually lots of small & successful growers using many other shiitake cultures besides shiitake 3782.

Many of the field and forest shiiatke strains are very fruitful and don't cost much to aquire. :aweohyou:




they are shit on sawdust.  most of their cultures are in fact, only notable one i can think of is PoHu.  their cultures are mostly made for log growers.  If you can't pull a pound or more on the first flush, you're wasting your time.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22324789 - 10/02/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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There's actually lots of small & successful growers using many other shiitake cultures besides shiitake 3782.

Many of the field and forest shiiatke strains are very fruitful and don't cost much to aquire. :aweohyou:




they are shit on sawdust.  most of their cultures are in fact, only notable one i can think of is PoHu.  their cultures are mostly made for log growers.  If you can't pull a pound or more on the first flush, you're wasting your time.




Pound per 1st flush?
Is that per bag, per straw log, per oak log??
Or is this pound per 1st flush to per certain weight of substrate?


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: confuzzed]
    #22325094 - 10/02/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

i'm talking about your standard 5-6lb sawdust bag.  i average 1.25# of caps only (not counting stem weight) on the first flush.


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    #22325223 - 10/02/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Turns out I may have spoken too soon.  This morning when I left for work the shiitake plates all looked like they had given up the ghost, but right now 5 of 6 have exploded fuzzy white (the other has a small white patch), and my control plate (all I did was open it and move around in the SAB like I was pretending to cut a bit of mushroom for it) is clean, so hope survives.  :smile:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22325242 - 10/02/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Of course, no guarantee that what I've got is actually going to end up as a viable culture, but what I'm seeing now is quite encouraging.

My plan from here is to let them go out a bit, do one or two transfers from each plate just to make sure they're clean, and then grow a bit of each one out into a cake (brf/sawdust/water) and see how they do.

Is it totally weird that I feel a little bit like a little kid with a brand new toy right now?  Lol


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22325268 - 10/02/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From there, my plan would be to take the best performers, spore print them, and start isolating from there, with the full knowledge that I'll probably be fruiting at least a couple dozen different isolates before I end up with something that looks good to take to a bag.

Unfortunately right now I can't dump the cash for the 3782, or I'd just do that, but in the meantime this is pretty exciting too, even if that's what I end up doing in the long run. :smile:


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    #22325426 - 10/02/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hard to see through the condensation in the photo, but definitely looks like I might have something here. :smile:



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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22326287 - 10/02/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like it wants to grow :thumbup:

Have you considered dying your agar with food coloring? I find a dark blue hue much easier to spot on than the agar color.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22336713 - 10/05/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Two best dishes so far:



Prepped new pastyplates last night, going to do some transfers tonight.

Haven't opened them so it's hard to tell if there's any sectoring  but the growth looks pretty even so I probably won't muck with isolating, under the assumption that the genetics are already reasonably consistent.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22336938 - 10/05/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thats the downside to pastyplates compared to petris the sectoring can be hard to see on growth that hasn't formed very distinct mycelial cords.

Either way it worked! :rockon:

Was the polyfil hard to fit into your lids? I have two layers of micropore tape on mine but I would feel much better with an actual filter. Maybe i'm just paranoid about something falling through the tape, I haven't had issues... Yet.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22337218 - 10/05/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Really easy way to do polyfill on lids:

Drill a 1/4 inch hole (I've done this on both plastic and metal lids, sometimes trimming the edges of the hole is necessary especially if you try to go through a bunch at once)

Roll up a little ball of poly in your hands, hold it over the top of the hole, and stuff it in with a chopstick.

You can use the tip of the chopstick to pull polyfill from the edges of the ball and stuff it down into the hole, for varying amounts of tightness on the stuffing, and the underside ends up being a tidy little ball that doesn't require trimming or anything, and it only takes a few times to figure out how much poly to use for a good size and tightness.

So far I'm using it on pretty much everything, and you can even safely inject through polyfill from what I've read.  Although I did make the mistake once of not letting the needle cool before trying to shove it through one time.  Don't do that btw.  Haha


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22337392 - 10/05/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Cool tip with the chopstick! I'll give it a shot.

Polyfil is my favorite for lids because its cheap, easy to find, and you can make cheap SFD's out of them with an iron. Thats my next goal, iron and silicon all my grain jar lids :evil2:

First I need to switch all my pastyplates over haha time to hunt down a chopstick.


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    #22337663 - 10/05/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Poly is really easy to work with after figuring out the chopstick thing (anything slender but not sharp enough to poke all the way through the polyfill would work just as well, I just happen to have lots of chopsticks), super cheap (the pillow I bought full of it cost me like $2 and will probably last a ridiculously long time), is very versatile, working as both a filter and an injection port, and is easy to replace if necessary, unlike anything you have to silicon on.

I just can't think of any good reason to use anything else, personally, at least not for jars and containers like these.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22337699 - 10/05/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If I'm not mistaken tyvek and SFD are water-proof but polyfil stops filtering effectively if wet.

That's what I've been told, in my experience poly does still work if it only gets wet for a short time. :shrug:


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    #22337770 - 10/05/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure about tyvek, but sfds definitely need to not get wet as well.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22338091 - 10/05/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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i'm talking about your standard 5-6lb sawdust bag.  i average 1.25# of caps only (not counting stem weight) on the first flush.




Cool! :thumbup:

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Not sure about tyvek, but sfds definitely need to not get wet as well.




Do you have a link for this?  I am reading people PC in these in a way they get wet.
I just bought these and I am also reading people bleach them, this would be "wet" too :confused2:

I will find out soon anyway, but I think they're supposed to be waterproof :shrug:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: confuzzed]
    #22338404 - 10/05/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They can *get* wet (nothing that you ever PC is going to stay completely dry), and so can polyfill.  They both just need to be dry again before you can expect them to be effective as a filter.

I would expect the same to be true of tyvek, but it seems to be more water resistant so I'm not sure.


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    #22343431 - 10/06/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

First set of transfers done!



Tough to get good photos of the plates I ended up transferring from, but here are the plates I *didn't* use:




The round ones are shiitake, squart ones are oysters.  Two of those shiitake plates and all three oysters appear to have some sort of contamination, but I expected some with the cloning, and am pretty happy that I ended up with three clean plates of each with stronger growth than any of those show.  :laugh:


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22343489 - 10/06/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it happens with clones but luckily you were wise enough to do mutiple plates.

Congrats on the success! Time for further isolations or grains :dancer:


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    #22343522 - 10/06/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Looking good! :thumbup:


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    #22354376 - 10/09/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome! Can't wait to see how it turns out


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: taygreen2011]
    #22427435 - 10/24/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Update:  the agar work all went really well, I have about a dozen pastyplates sitting in the fridge chilling all full of mycelium.

The test grows not so much.  The first round, I'm pretty sure I got the substrate too wet, using wood fuel pellets, vermiculite, and brf.  The myc never made the leap from the agar wedge to the substrate.

Also ended up using soft wood fuel pellets because that's all I could find.

Tried again, feel better about the moisture content this time, should know in a week or so if it's going to work out.  If *that* fails, according to RR, standard BRF/verm is better than sawdust, even though he says to use sawdust in his videos, so I'll give that a shot.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
    #22427841 - 10/24/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Update:  the agar work all went really well, I have about a dozen pastyplates sitting in the fridge chilling all full of mycelium.

The test grows not so much.  The first round, I'm pretty sure I got the substrate too wet, using wood fuel pellets, vermiculite, and brf.  The myc never made the leap from the agar wedge to the substrate.

You need to go to grain first


Also ended up using soft wood fuel pellets because that's all I could find.

then you're wasting your time probably

standard BRF/verm is better than sawdust,

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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
    #22427937 - 10/24/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You need hardwood pellets and they should be incredibly easy to find... even Home Depot has hardwood pellets here. I grabbed some oak hardwood pellets from a nearby tractor supply store for $2.50 a bag. I think the ones at HD are closer to $5 each but you can make a lot of blocks with one bag of pellets


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    #22428938 - 10/24/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I checked all the stores around for hardwood pellets.  I read that softwood would *probably* work, but not as well, and that vermiculite was actually better for growing them out in jars, which is what I'm doing for test grows.


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    #22428968 - 10/24/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Here's one of the links about brf shiitake cakes I was talking about.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13655159#13655159

And going to grain first doesn't make sense when trying to go to cakes, does it? 

Of course, maybe an agar wedge doesn't either since they seem to have trouble grabbing onto the substrate.


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    #22457638 - 10/31/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A little tough to see in the pics, but they're starting to spread over the substrate finally.

Shiitake:


Oyster:


Those are 13 days old.  The original set is actually showing some decent growth now too.  :smile:


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    #22552951 - 11/20/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Okay i am doing this same thing right now. my only question. what do i need to do to incubate my agar plates? will they colonize agar at room temp? do i need to build an incubator? if so what temp is best for shiitake and oyster incubation on agar?


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
    #22553113 - 11/20/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

incubate at room temp. Mid 70s works well for most mushrooms for colonization. When colonizing larger substrates like bags, straw logs, pails, or monotubs you want the temp a bit lower since the larger mass of substrate will generate its own heat typically on the order of 5-10F. More supplements means higher core temp and larger risk of bacterial bloom.


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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Gr0wer]
    #22553397 - 11/20/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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a shiitake is a shiitake.




Nonsense! They're probably one of the most variable mushrooms around. Color, taste, size, and texture are all highly variable. The Chinese imports are at the low end around here. They're sort of a poopy olive brown color, and they taste like a urinal smells.


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    #22554290 - 11/21/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome i was thinking room temp would be good. I also have been noticing post around here and youtube saying that keeping them in a window will make them colonize faster as opposed to keeping them in the dark? your experience? and what are the first signs of colonization on agar. will the shiitake tissue sample start to brown?


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    #22554294 - 11/21/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So your basically saying do all of your incubating for all substrates at room temp?


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    #22554307 - 11/21/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So your basically saying do all of your incubating for all substrates at room temp?



Maybe I'm not reading his post correctly, but I'm fairly sure that's not what he's saying.


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    #22554342 - 11/21/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure thats exactly what he is saying. because the core temp will always be warm because the mycelium is digesting and breaking down food making the internal temp rise.  just like a compost pile. the core is always the hottest part. it make since to me. that being said. i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator. i'm pretty sure i remember watching one of Stamets videos and he also said room temp and sunlight.


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i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator.



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I'm pretty sure thats exactly what he is saying. because the core temp will always be warm because the mycelium is digesting and breaking down food making the internal temp rise.  just like a compost pile. the core is always the hottest part. it make since to me. that being said. i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator. i'm pretty sure i remember watching one of Stamets videos and he also said room temp and sunlight.



Ahhh...I see the confusion. You were trying to reply to Gr0wer, but replied to someone else. Got it.


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    #22554364 - 11/21/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

NOOB MISTAKE SORRY. I was going to say... wait a minute i know i was reading that right :confused: i just want to be successful on my first grow. i really want to have something awesome to bring to the farmers market next spring. NO ONE DOES ANY KIND OF MUSHROOM IN MY AREA AT ALL.


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NOOB MISTAKE SORRY. I was going to say... wait a minute i know i was reading that right :confused: i just want to be successful on my first grow. i really want to have something awesome to bring to the farmers market next spring. NO ONE DOES ANY KIND OF MUSHROOM IN MY AREA AT ALL.



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    #22554378 - 11/21/15 06:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah from what i understand oysters are vigorous growers and want to thrive! my ultimate goal is to do shiitake and oysters. try and make my own money so i can quit waisting my life making money doing a job i hate.


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try and make my own money so i can quit waisting my life making money doing a job i hate.



I hear ya there! If I had a large enough space, I'd give it a go. I currently live with my mother, as her care taker, but maybe some day...

I have no delusions of making it big, but I could easily simplify my life to live on very little income. I call that, living the dream.


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I have no delusions of making it big, but I could easily simplify my life to live on very little income. I call that, living the dream.




That is the dream :thumbup:

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