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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Toadstool5]
#22343522 - 10/06/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking good!
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: confuzzed]
#22354376 - 10/09/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome! Can't wait to see how it turns out
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Update: the agar work all went really well, I have about a dozen pastyplates sitting in the fridge chilling all full of mycelium.
The test grows not so much. The first round, I'm pretty sure I got the substrate too wet, using wood fuel pellets, vermiculite, and brf. The myc never made the leap from the agar wedge to the substrate.
Also ended up using soft wood fuel pellets because that's all I could find.
Tried again, feel better about the moisture content this time, should know in a week or so if it's going to work out. If *that* fails, according to RR, standard BRF/verm is better than sawdust, even though he says to use sawdust in his videos, so I'll give that a shot.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
#22427841 - 10/24/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sivarted said: Update: the agar work all went really well, I have about a dozen pastyplates sitting in the fridge chilling all full of mycelium.
The test grows not so much. The first round, I'm pretty sure I got the substrate too wet, using wood fuel pellets, vermiculite, and brf. The myc never made the leap from the agar wedge to the substrate.
You need to go to grain first
Also ended up using soft wood fuel pellets because that's all I could find.
then you're wasting your time probably
standard BRF/verm is better than sawdust,
LOL wut?
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: drake89]
#22427937 - 10/24/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need hardwood pellets and they should be incredibly easy to find... even Home Depot has hardwood pellets here. I grabbed some oak hardwood pellets from a nearby tractor supply store for $2.50 a bag. I think the ones at HD are closer to $5 each but you can make a lot of blocks with one bag of pellets
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I checked all the stores around for hardwood pellets. I read that softwood would *probably* work, but not as well, and that vermiculite was actually better for growing them out in jars, which is what I'm doing for test grows.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
#22428968 - 10/24/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's one of the links about brf shiitake cakes I was talking about.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13655159#13655159
And going to grain first doesn't make sense when trying to go to cakes, does it?
Of course, maybe an agar wedge doesn't either since they seem to have trouble grabbing onto the substrate.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
#22457638 - 10/31/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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A little tough to see in the pics, but they're starting to spread over the substrate finally.
Shiitake:

Oyster:

Those are 13 days old. The original set is actually showing some decent growth now too.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Sivarted]
#22552951 - 11/20/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay i am doing this same thing right now. my only question. what do i need to do to incubate my agar plates? will they colonize agar at room temp? do i need to build an incubator? if so what temp is best for shiitake and oyster incubation on agar?
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
#22553113 - 11/20/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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incubate at room temp. Mid 70s works well for most mushrooms for colonization. When colonizing larger substrates like bags, straw logs, pails, or monotubs you want the temp a bit lower since the larger mass of substrate will generate its own heat typically on the order of 5-10F. More supplements means higher core temp and larger risk of bacterial bloom.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Gr0wer]
#22553397 - 11/20/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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drake89 said: a shiitake is a shiitake.
Nonsense! They're probably one of the most variable mushrooms around. Color, taste, size, and texture are all highly variable. The Chinese imports are at the low end around here. They're sort of a poopy olive brown color, and they taste like a urinal smells.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Acheulean]
#22554290 - 11/21/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome i was thinking room temp would be good. I also have been noticing post around here and youtube saying that keeping them in a window will make them colonize faster as opposed to keeping them in the dark? your experience? and what are the first signs of colonization on agar. will the shiitake tissue sample start to brown?
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: Acheulean]
#22554294 - 11/21/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So your basically saying do all of your incubating for all substrates at room temp?
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
#22554307 - 11/21/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MarcRizzle said: So your basically saying do all of your incubating for all substrates at room temp?
Maybe I'm not reading his post correctly, but I'm fairly sure that's not what he's saying.
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I'm pretty sure thats exactly what he is saying. because the core temp will always be warm because the mycelium is digesting and breaking down food making the internal temp rise. just like a compost pile. the core is always the hottest part. it make since to me. that being said. i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator. i'm pretty sure i remember watching one of Stamets videos and he also said room temp and sunlight.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
#22554348 - 11/21/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MarcRizzle said: i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator.
Cool! Be sure to let us know how that goes.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
#22554349 - 11/21/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MarcRizzle said: I'm pretty sure thats exactly what he is saying. because the core temp will always be warm because the mycelium is digesting and breaking down food making the internal temp rise. just like a compost pile. the core is always the hottest part. it make since to me. that being said. i have a few jars of coffee and verm mix that i just put a few chunks of oyster mushroom stem butts on 11/12 and it seems to be colonizing very slowly at room temp. i have this little 4' green house that i was going to put a 90 watt bulb in and use that as an incubator. i'm pretty sure i remember watching one of Stamets videos and he also said room temp and sunlight.
Ahhh...I see the confusion. You were trying to reply to Gr0wer, but replied to someone else. Got it.
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NOOB MISTAKE SORRY. I was going to say... wait a minute i know i was reading that right i just want to be successful on my first grow. i really want to have something awesome to bring to the farmers market next spring. NO ONE DOES ANY KIND OF MUSHROOM IN MY AREA AT ALL.
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Re: Starting up shiitakes [Re: MarcRizzle]
#22554365 - 11/21/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MarcRizzle said: NOOB MISTAKE SORRY. I was going to say... wait a minute i know i was reading that right i just want to be successful on my first grow. i really want to have something awesome to bring to the farmers market next spring. NO ONE DOES ANY KIND OF MUSHROOM IN MY AREA AT ALL.
Oysters would be easiest to start with for the farmers market.
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Yeah from what i understand oysters are vigorous growers and want to thrive! my ultimate goal is to do shiitake and oysters. try and make my own money so i can quit waisting my life making money doing a job i hate.
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