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paperbackwriter said: If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.
Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.
Nope. Abuse of the system runs rampant, and we want that cut out completely. Those systems are not there to be abused, they're to help those in legitimate need. And yet, every time its suggested that we should take measures to cut out this abuse, the democrats lose their shit. They will not have it, no how no way. They fight tooth and nail against it. Even resorting to the excuses that make them look extremely stupid, like "It would be too embarassing" for the people to be verified, as being someone who was in legitimate need. And that they weren't someone who wasn't just wanting to abuse the system.
So until you address the abuse, you're going to continue to have more than half of the people, thinking that the lazy POS's abusing the system, are exactly that. Lazy. Cut out the leeches, and your opposition won't have a leg to stand on. You'll be able to say "Look. Nobody can abuse this system, it would be nearly impossible."
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paperbackwriter said: If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.
Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.
It's funny when people use that excuse, my question to them is, why did Japan, UK, Europe and the rest of the developed world all get "lazy" at the same time?
We always had some lazy in the US, that's a given and during the best of times we could see it, but today we can't tell those cultures to get off their asses and walk down to the local factory that has a "help wanted" sign in front, it doesn't exist.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22313655 - 09/30/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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paperbackwriter said: If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.
Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.
Nope. Abuse of the system runs rampant, and we want that cut out completely. Those systems are not there to be abused, they're to help those in legitimate need. And yet, every time its suggested that we should take measures to cut out this abuse, the democrats lose their shit. They will not have it, no how no way. The fight tooth and nail against it. Even resorting to the excuses that make them look extremely stupid, like "It would be too embarassing" for the people to be verified, as being someone who was in legitimate need. And that they weren't someone who wasn't just wanting to abuse the system.
So until you address the abuse, you're going to continue to have more than half of the people, thinking that the lazy POS's abusing the system, are exactly that. Lazy. Cut out the leeches, and your opposition won't have a leg to stand on. You'll be able to say "Look. Nobody can abuse this system, it would be nearly impossible."
This reminds me of a Stossel show where he interviewed a 20 something that had no job, was on welfare and hung out at the beach surfing everyday... He was proud of it, he didn't care, even looked into the camera and said "thanks taxpayers" for supporting him and letting pursue his "dream" as he called it, I'm pretty sure he was a liberal and his mentality is not uncommon among welfare recipients...
If we're dumb enough to give it to them, why WOULDN'T they do it???
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
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paperbackwriter said: If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.
Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.
It's funny when people use that excuse, my question to them is, why did Japan, UK, Europe and the rest of the developed world all get "lazy" at the same time?
We always had some lazy in the US, that's a given and during the best of times we could see it, but today we can't tell those cultures to get off their asses and walk down to the local factory that has a "help wanted" sign in front, it doesn't exist.
Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
We need to get our trade deals in order, as well as our education system so we don't have a nation whose 1/5th day unskilled felony conviction laborers.
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The post office is great. I mail shit at least once a week, and I prefer USPS to Fedex or UPS. In fact, Fedex has terrible rates, and they have run terribly behind on a couple of the very very few occasions I've used them.
USPS is the cheapest. They are very fast. If you do any trading in the marketplace on here, guess when every single person uses? The USPS.
USPS is not, was not, and never has been anywhere near bankruptcy. That is a lie. Republicans were trying to force the USPS into privatization, and they passed legislation that it had to earn $10 billion dollars extra to cover future losses due to the internet, because of Email 
We all know that all of the postal services are getting MORE business because of the internet. People order shit online. No, they don't mail letters as often, but packages cost a LOT more, and people probably send more packages now than they ever sent letters.
If Republicans actually believed in their "philosophy", they wouldn't try to use backhanded shit like this to prove it true.
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Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
I'm ok with that, our tax money shouldn't be used to subsidize someone's drug habit...
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The Ecstatic said: Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
We need to get our trade deals in order, as well as our education system so we don't have a nation whose 1/5th day unskilled felony conviction laborers.
How about we get our prison system in order while we're at it. The "land of the free" shouldn't have more prisoners than any other country in the world. Especially when those commies in China have more than 10 times the population of the US.
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Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
I'm ok with that, our tax money shouldn't be used to subsidize someone's drug habit...
You're ok with wasting millions of dollars to catch 1 or 2 people using drugs while on welfare?
lmao
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Bigbadwooof said: The post office is great. I mail shit at least once a week, and I prefer USPS to Fedex or UPS. In fact, Fedex has terrible rates, and they have run terribly behind on a couple of the very very few occasions I've used them.
USPS is the cheapest. They are very fast. If you do any trading in the marketplace on here, guess when every single person uses? The USPS.
USPS is not, was not, and never has been anywhere near bankruptcy. That is a lie. Republicans were trying to force the USPS into privatization, and they passed legislation that it had to earn $10 billion dollars extra to cover future losses due to the internet, because of Email 
We all know that all of the postal services are getting MORE business because of the internet. People order shit online. No, they don't mail letters as often, but packages cost a LOT more, and people probably send more packages now than they ever sent letters.
If Republicans actually believed in their "philosophy", they wouldn't try to use backhanded shit like this to prove it true.
Can you prove that?
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Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
I'm ok with that, our tax money shouldn't be used to subsidize someone's drug habit...
Even if it costs even more taxpayer money to MAYBE stop them?
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Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept. Here in Florida, Governor Scott decided he was going to drug test welfare recipients and the program doing so ended up costing way more than it saved.
I'm ok with that, our tax money shouldn't be used to subsidize someone's drug habit...
Even if it costs even more taxpayer money to MAYBE stop them?
Lmao! My gf smokes a lot of weed. She bought 'The Urinator' and drug tests are no longer an issue. Anyone who drug tests her is wasting their fuckin money. It is purely grandstanding. Republicans are stupid asshole clowns. Sam Brownback, case and point.
In fact, from now on whenever hostileuniverse speaks, my response will be simply: Sam-Fucking-Brownback. You lose.
If we're going to spend millions of dollars, lets spend it helping people, instead of literally throwing it away in a mindless attempt to persecute them, like silly assholes, no matter how tasty that notion is to bitter right wingers like hostileunivers.
"Lets subsidize a witch hunt, but how dare you take tax money for housing!"
Once again, the gif made specially for you HU:
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22314480 - 09/30/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said: Now back to the Private schools. Why bring it up? I would think that the answer to that would be quite obvious, just like the woes of the post office. You have to pay the high "school tax" even if your kid/s go to a private school. So you're basically paying the tax, AND you're paying the private school for your kids to be going there. If I'm sending my kid/s to a private school, then in typical government fashion, they still tax me anyway, for a service I'll never need. The whole reason for the tax is only for my kids education right? Right? Then they need to fuck off, and quit taxing me if I'm not using their education system.
Personally I like living in an educated society where most people know how to read and write so we can all communicate effectively together, as we are doing now. I also like not having desperate uneducated neighbors I fear will rob me because they're hungry.
You pay taxes for other people's kids to go to school because the majority of people think like I do. That's what living in a democracy is all about. There's taxes I pay I don't agree with. But again, this is democracy.
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USPS is not, was not, and never has been anywhere near bankruptcy. That is a lie. Republicans were trying to force the USPS into privatization, and they passed legislation that it had to earn $10 billion dollars extra to cover future losses due to the internet, because of Email 
Can you prove this???
Nope, didn't think so...
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I heard the post office is raising the price of stamps again. Seems they need to buy more 'THis window closed' signs.
Honestly the PO is fast, and has good rates. But I do believe they are running on borrowed money--from the government. They are no longer self-sustaining, but they used to be.
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USPS is not, was not, and never has been anywhere near bankruptcy. That is a lie. Republicans were trying to force the USPS into privatization, and they passed legislation that it had to earn $10 billion dollars extra to cover future losses due to the internet, because of Email 
Can you prove this???
Nope, didn't think so...
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
#22317103 - 10/01/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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A real problem in Dutch politics is that there are a lot of symbolic things being done, that don't actually have any or even a negative effect in reality.
Hostileuniverse would eat that shit up.
There must be some real major psychosis going on if you think people are unemployed because they are lazy, no doubt about it!
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starfire_xes said: I heard the post office is raising the price of stamps again. Seems they need to buy more 'THis window closed' signs.
Honestly the PO is fast, and has good rates. But I do believe they are running on borrowed money--from the government. They are no longer self-sustaining, but they used to be.
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Pretty much this. Yeah, we're always going to have people abusing the system, but that's a reality we're going to need to accept.
I'm ok with that, our tax money shouldn't be used to subsidize someone's drug habit...
Even if it costs even more taxpayer money to MAYBE stop them?
I don't even know where to start. We can totally, easily, and quite effectively, eliminate the illegal fraud that is abuse of the system. A fingerprint, along with having them answering a few basic questions is all that is needed. That's it. Please don't act like it couldn't be done, or that it would somehow be "too expensive", because you're not fooling anyone. Picture this:
"Hello sir, it appears you're applying for welfare, (or insert government assistance here). Do you have a job? No? Why not? Oh, well please return when you have full time employment" Bam. I just killed abuse of the system. The information is out there, its all too easy to do this cheaply and effectively. You can't be this ignorant. I refuse to believe it. I can't accept that someone could be this ignorant. Regular checks of their SS number, by an automated computer program, would easily reveal if the person was holding down a job. A red flag would go up, and cut off the welfare or other assistance checks, automatically. Its the exact same way the IRS operates. Red flags and automated software. Simple. Easy. Effective.
So why not just drop the act, and go ahead and admit, that you want these people to be able to do this. Cause again, you're not fooling anyone. You like the fact that they can game the system, and steal from their fellow man. Go ahead, admit it. If you can understand this reply, then you can see that it doesn't have anything to do with drugs. Its about them not even trying. Now you'll say something like "But theyz cant find no jobses!!" They're too good to work at mcdonalds? Walmart, taco bell, gas stations, etc etc are always hiring. Get out there and prove you're trying, then we'll talk about what kind of help you'll receive. Quote:
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bennylava said: Now back to the Private schools. Why bring it up? I would think that the answer to that would be quite obvious, just like the woes of the post office. You have to pay the high "school tax" even if your kid/s go to a private school. So you're basically paying the tax, AND you're paying the private school for your kids to be going there. If I'm sending my kid/s to a private school, then in typical government fashion, they still tax me anyway, for a service I'll never need. The whole reason for the tax is only for my kids education right? Right? Then they need to fuck off, and quit taxing me if I'm not using their education system.
Personally I like living in an educated society where most people know how to read and write so we can all communicate effectively together, as we are doing now. I also like not having desperate uneducated neighbors I fear will rob me because they're hungry.
You pay taxes for other people's kids to go to school because the majority of people think like I do. That's what living in a democracy is all about. There's taxes I pay I don't agree with. But again, this is democracy.
You didn't even read the post you replied to, did you? I can tell you didn't. Your reply has nothing to do with it. I told you how public schools can be killed for a much, MUCH better replacement, AND we'd all pay lower taxes, and you respond with that. Yeah, I can see I don't have any business arguing with you.
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starfire_xes said: I heard the post office is raising the price of stamps again. Seems they need to buy more 'THis window closed' signs.
Honestly the PO is fast, and has good rates. But I do believe they are running on borrowed money--from the government. They are no longer self-sustaining, but they used to be.
I think they depend on junk mail, which nobody wants, but I think it's the only thing keeping them afloat for awhile.
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Anyone who thinks the PO isn't hurting is living in fantasy land. But I'm sure they don't report this on the libbie propaganda outlets.
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