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R&D can be performed by governments but at a much greater cost to everyone involved- and a much worse result ]
I already said "because i said so" isnt a valid substantiation, as most toddlers know, yet you continue to believe that proves you right.

hey kid, I'll help you answer this question.
What gov' program costs less and does more than what the private sector could deliver?, I'll wait. LOL
Answer: There are none!
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Los Angeles DWP. that wasn't even hard
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: Los Angeles DWP. that wasn't even hard
I wouldnt underestimate what burger brian thinks is hard.
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ballsalsa said: Los Angeles DWP. that wasn't even hard
I wouldnt underestimate what burger brian thinks is hard.
yeah seems like a great deal! LOL
Los Angeles DWP The audit is the result of a year-long battle between the city of L.A. and the DWP union looking into how more than $40 million of ratepayer money was being spent.
The two DWP nonprofit safety and training trust funds, jointly administered by the DWP and IBEW Local 18, received more than $40 million by ratepayers over the years. Now a hard-fought audit by the City Controller concludes some of the spending practices raise serious concerns.
City auditors uncovered hundreds of thousands of dollars in ratepayer money being misspent. They found top employees charged $421,000 worth of conference expenses, including trips to Hawaii, Las Vegas and other cities. They also spent ratepayer money on expensive steak dinners and $86,000 worth of expenses for personal cars.
In fact, one administrator purchased $30,000 in gas for his own car during the five years studied – “That’s a lot of driving,” said L.A. City Controller Ron Galperin, who pushed for the probe. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/dwp-audit-reveals-ratepayers-money-was-grossly-misspent/
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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Many of you seem to be missing the point. I'm saying kill their ability to make capitalism, be forced to go hand in hand with cronyism. The real problem here, is the government. Not any company. The companies should be at the mercy of the voting public. They're not. You all know what "campaign contributions" are, right. Nothing more than low life bribery. That's all they are. If companies or special interests can make a "campaign contribution", then that politician is now theirs. If I was a billionaire, and didn't even own one single company, but I gave a shitload of money to a politician, that's it I own them. To the degree that they at least have to stand for the things that I want them to. Other things that don't affect me or that I don't care about, they're free to do whatever. The corporations are just taking advantage of this system.
Take away the bribery, you'll kill the consumerism and make a real free market system. I'm not saying we don't need laws against raping the earth, cause we do. I'm just saying that you could make capitalism a good thing, whereas right now its just a monster lurching forth. Government just doesn't mix with... well anything really. Capitalism is great, without any form of government intervention, except for reasonable regulation. (that of course kills the bribery). Socialism is great, when not mixed with government in the slightest. The sooner you people learn that government is the problem, the better off you'll be. And you know what? They're breaking the law just taking the campaign contribution. Technically, if a judge did his job and upheld the law that he takes an oath to do, he'd have to find any politician taking any kind of campaign contribution, in violation of the 4rth amendment. And thus, they should be charged with a crime and barred from politics for life.
You start cracking down on these retards, and you'll see the change you want to see. Right now they and the companies just run rampant. They call it the gravy train for a reason.
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It's not 'subsidization' if it's a government program lol! They operate at cost. It's purpose is not to turn a profit. That's why it's cheaper.
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burgerbrain said: They're subsidized, duh.
It's not 'subsidization' if it's a government program lol! They operate at cost. It's purpose is not to turn a profit. That's why it's cheaper.
Oh I see you're one of the "We want it for Free" crowd. You do know that subsidized means that taxpayers pay them on top of their customers? How is that "cheaper" when they are paid twice?
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
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Why should we bend over backwards in the hopes that an ultra pure capitalism wont have the same symptoms (for which there is no evidence) when we already know socialism works?
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burgerbrain said: They're subsidized, duh.
It's not 'subsidization' if it's a government program lol! They operate at cost. It's purpose is not to turn a profit. That's why it's cheaper.
If they operate "at cost"... Please explain how Amtrak is continually in the red...
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
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They're subsidized, duh.
nope, sorry, quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/la-me-adv-dwp-transfer-20150420-story.html
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Ratepayers have had reason to gripe in recent months about the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, whose fumbled rollout of a new billing system in 2013 produced some breathtakingly inaccurate charges for customers.
Still, the public does get something back from the DWP. Once a year, the city-owned utility sends about a quarter of a billion dollars to L.A.'s general fund budget, which pays for police officers, firefighters and other city employees. Budget officials describe that money — currently 8% of the utility's electrical revenue — as surplus, available cash.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22295334 - 09/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bennylava said: Many of you seem to be missing the point. I'm saying kill their ability to make capitalism, be forced to go hand in hand with cronyism. The real problem here, is the government. Not any company. The companies should be at the mercy of the voting public. They're not. You all know what "campaign contributions" are, right. Nothing more than low life bribery. That's all they are. If companies or special interests can make a "campaign contribution", then that politician is now theirs. If I was a billionaire, and didn't even own one single company, but I gave a shitload of money to a politician, that's it I own them. To the degree that they at least have to stand for the things that I want them to. Other things that don't affect me or that I don't care about, they're free to do whatever. The corporations are just taking advantage of this system.
Take away the bribery, you'll kill the consumerism and make a real free market system. I'm not saying we don't need laws against raping the earth, cause we do. I'm just saying that you could make capitalism a good thing, whereas right now its just a monster lurching forth. Government just doesn't mix with... well anything really. Capitalism is great, without any form of government intervention, except for reasonable regulation. (that of course kills the bribery). Socialism is great, when not mixed with government in the slightest. The sooner you people learn that government is the problem, the better off you'll be. And you know what? They're breaking the law just taking the campaign contribution. Technically, if a judge did his job and upheld the law that he takes an oath to do, he'd have to find any politician taking any kind of campaign contribution, in violation of the 4rth amendment. And thus, they should be charged with a crime and barred from politics for life.
You start cracking down on these retards, and you'll see the change you want to see. Right now they and the companies just run rampant. They call it the gravy train for a reason.
Capitalism IS a good thing. Capitalism is great for an emerging economy, but by its very nature it errodes into a plutocracy. The world needed Capitalism to make Socialism possible, as Marx himself said.
I agree with you that Socialism would best be implemented without the government as it's backbone. Worker cooperatives and publicly owned utilities/agriculture projects, etc. However, the government can be a useful tool for implementing such a system. You should check out Richard Wolff's videos on youtube. He's great, and he talks about this stuff on occasion.
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burgerbrain said: They're subsidized, duh.
It's not 'subsidization' if it's a government program lol! They operate at cost. It's purpose is not to turn a profit. That's why it's cheaper.
Oh I see you're one of the "We want it for Free" crowd. You do know that subsidized means that taxpayers pay them on top of their customers? How is that "cheaper" when they are paid twice?
Dude you just fucking said the government couldnt do it better, and then when presented with an example, you cry foul. "Well no fair its the government!"
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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They're subsidized, duh.
nope, sorry, quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/la-me-adv-dwp-transfer-20150420-story.html
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Ratepayers have had reason to gripe in recent months about the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, whose fumbled rollout of a new billing system in 2013 produced some breathtakingly inaccurate charges for customers.
Still, the public does get something back from the DWP. Once a year, the city-owned utility sends about a quarter of a billion dollars to L.A.'s general fund budget, which pays for police officers, firefighters and other city employees. Budget officials describe that money — currently 8% of the utility's electrical revenue — as surplus, available cash.
Lmao! How's your foot taste anyway, burger-kid?
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
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The Ecstatic said: Why should we bend over backwards in the hopes that an ultra pure capitalism wont have the same symptoms (for which there is no evidence) when we already know socialism works?
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They're subsidized, duh.
nope, sorry, quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/la-me-adv-dwp-transfer-20150420-story.html
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Ratepayers have had reason to gripe in recent months about the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, whose fumbled rollout of a new billing system in 2013 produced some breathtakingly inaccurate charges for customers.
Still, the public does get something back from the DWP. Once a year, the city-owned utility sends about a quarter of a billion dollars to L.A.'s general fund budget, which pays for police officers, firefighters and other city employees. Budget officials describe that money — currently 8% of the utility's electrical revenue — as surplus, available cash.
Weird, they got federal money.. so they are giving some of that money to the city and you say they are profitable? HAHAHAHAHAHA
DWP has been slow to spend millions in federal stimulus funds, L.A. audit finds
If the DWP doesn't meet deadlines for spending the stimulus funds, it could risk losing some of the money. Officials say they have streamlined their federal grant process. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/04/local/la-me-la-stimulus-20110304
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They're subsidized, duh.
nope, sorry, quite the opposite in fact.
http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/la-me-adv-dwp-transfer-20150420-story.html
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Ratepayers have had reason to gripe in recent months about the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, whose fumbled rollout of a new billing system in 2013 produced some breathtakingly inaccurate charges for customers.
Still, the public does get something back from the DWP. Once a year, the city-owned utility sends about a quarter of a billion dollars to L.A.'s general fund budget, which pays for police officers, firefighters and other city employees. Budget officials describe that money — currently 8% of the utility's electrical revenue — as surplus, available cash.
Lmao! How's your foot taste anyway, burger-kid?
Why don't you libtards grow up? Gov' programs are a waste of money.
DWP has been slow to spend millions in federal stimulus funds, L.A. audit finds
If the DWP doesn't meet deadlines for spending the stimulus funds, it could risk losing some of the money. Officials say they have streamlined their federal grant process. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/04/local/la-me-la-stimulus-20110304
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Only takes seconds to google, libs.
LA’s Utility Seeks $200M Smart Grid Stimulus Grant
The LADWP seeks $200 million in stimulus funds for a smart grid project, according to city documents. While details have yet to emerge, the city has said it likes public cellular networks for smart grid. http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/las-utility-seeks-200m-smart-grid-stimulus-grant
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