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bennylava
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Bigbadwooof said:
I have actually never seen this quote play out in reality. Unless you consider violent revolutions 'voting'...
Hate to break it to you bruh, but violent revolutions are sometimes the only available course of action for the people.
See the French revolution for reference. You should know all about it, its right up your alley. Then again, libs and history don't really mix well. Kind of like libs and money.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22391125 - 10/16/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said:
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I have actually never seen this quote play out in reality. Unless you consider violent revolutions 'voting'...
Hate to break it to you bruh, but violent revolutions are sometimes the only available course of action for the people.
See the French revolution for reference. You should know all about it, its right up your alley. Then again, libs and history don't really mix well. Kind of like libs and money.
lol! Don't you say that about libs and everything?
Why don't you just say:

Instead!
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what if i told him the revolutionaries in France were liberals?
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The Ecstatic said: what if i told him the revolutionaries in France were liberals?
That doesn't mean they knew history. They did, however, make fucking history bitch!
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
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bennylava said: libs and history don't really mix well. Kind of like libs and money.
Can you ever make a logical argument, or are you just an ad hominem machine?
Let me try your style of reasoning.
Me: Conservatives are poo poo heads!
Next Liberal: Ya! You got him good! Not just poo poo heads, but doo doo brains!!!
Me: Can't argue with that logic!!!
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bennylava said: libs and history don't really mix well. Kind of like libs and money.
Can you ever make a logical argument, or are you just an ad hominem machine?
Let me try your style of reasoning.
Me: Conservatives are poo poo heads!
Next Liberal: Ya! You got him good! Not just poo poo heads, but doo doo brains!!!
Me: High five on that!!!

Woah woah woah! Slow your roll there buddy! Libs are not doo doo brains!
Diaperburgers and twat lickers, maybe... we have to draw the line somewhere!
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bennylava
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The Ecstatic said: what if i told him the revolutionaries in France were liberals?
Lol, those peasants hadn't a clue, and neither do you. You really think they knew a single flippin' thing about liberal ideals? They were starving to death, they had no choice. It was revolt, or die. I swear. You people will tack your name onto anything in the world that ever worked out, or looked good.
You know the ocean is actually a liberal too, right? I mean its totally liberal. It voted for Obama, the works. So is the sun, the moon, and that one comet. They're all liberals. Cool huh? Man you've got a lot on your side!
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22420608 - 10/22/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said: what if i told him the revolutionaries in France were liberals?
Lol, those peasants hadn't a clue, and neither do you. You really think they knew a single flippin' thing about liberal ideals? They were starving to death, they had no choice. It was revolt, or die. I swear. You people will tack your name onto anything in the world that ever worked out, or looked good.
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Unlike the English and American Revolutions, the French Revolution went through a series of phases, each of which almost amounted to a revolution in itself; and as the Revolutionists repudiated one policy to adopt another, more or less its antithesis, they were able to turn from one philosopher of the Enlightenment, to an alternative, competing or rival theorist from the same stable.
The first phase of the French Revolution was the one in which the dominant ideas were those of Montesquieu, notably those expounded in his masterpiece, L'Esprit des lois, first published in 1753. Montesquieu claimed that a liberal constitutional monarchy was the best system of government for a people who prized freedom, on the grounds that by dividing the sovereignty of the nation between several centres of power, it provided a permanent check on any one of them becoming despotic. - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/maurice-cranston/french-revolution-ideas-and-ideologies#sthash.39zg8t0S.dpuf
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The comte de Mirabeau, the leading orator among the revolutionists of this early phase, was very much the disciple of Montesquieu in his demand for a constitutional monarchy. On the more abstract level Mirabeau believed that the only way to ensure freedom was to institute a divided sovereignty, but he did not agree with Montesquieu as to which estates in France should have a share in that divided sovereignty. Despite being a nobleman himself, Mirabeau was out of sympathy with most of his peers. Indeed one big difference between the French liberal noblemen who were prominent in the early stages of the French Revolution – Lafayette, Condorcet, Liancourt, Talleyrand, as well as Mirabeau – and the English Whig aristocrats of 1688 is that they did not represent the views of a large section of their own class.
But there was one element of Locke's thinking that Montesquieu was less attracted to than were the Revolutionists of 1789, and that was Locke's theory of the natural rights of man to life, liberty and property. The French revolutionists made much of this because the American revolutionists had done so in 1776. Lafayette, having taken part in person in the American war of independence, and Condorcet, who had been made an honorary citizen of New Haven, were among those most active in having the French Revolution justify itself to the world and the people, by proclaiming the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen as early as August, 1789. - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/maurice-cranston/french-revolution-ideas-and-ideologies#sthash.39zg8t0S.dpuf
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
#22420650 - 10/22/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said: what if i told him the revolutionaries in France were liberals?
Lol, those peasants hadn't a clue, and neither do you. You really think they knew a single flippin' thing about liberal ideals? They were starving to death, they had no choice. It was revolt, or die. I swear. You people will tack your name onto anything in the world that ever worked out, or looked good.
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Unlike the English and American Revolutions, the French Revolution went through a series of phases, each of which almost amounted to a revolution in itself; and as the Revolutionists repudiated one policy to adopt another, more or less its antithesis, they were able to turn from one philosopher of the Enlightenment, to an alternative, competing or rival theorist from the same stable.
The first phase of the French Revolution was the one in which the dominant ideas were those of Montesquieu, notably those expounded in his masterpiece, L'Esprit des lois, first published in 1753. Montesquieu claimed that a liberal constitutional monarchy was the best system of government for a people who prized freedom, on the grounds that by dividing the sovereignty of the nation between several centres of power, it provided a permanent check on any one of them becoming despotic. - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/maurice-cranston/french-revolution-ideas-and-ideologies#sthash.39zg8t0S.dpuf
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The comte de Mirabeau, the leading orator among the revolutionists of this early phase, was very much the disciple of Montesquieu in his demand for a constitutional monarchy. On the more abstract level Mirabeau believed that the only way to ensure freedom was to institute a divided sovereignty, but he did not agree with Montesquieu as to which estates in France should have a share in that divided sovereignty. Despite being a nobleman himself, Mirabeau was out of sympathy with most of his peers. Indeed one big difference between the French liberal noblemen who were prominent in the early stages of the French Revolution – Lafayette, Condorcet, Liancourt, Talleyrand, as well as Mirabeau – and the English Whig aristocrats of 1688 is that they did not represent the views of a large section of their own class.
But there was one element of Locke's thinking that Montesquieu was less attracted to than were the Revolutionists of 1789, and that was Locke's theory of the natural rights of man to life, liberty and property. The French revolutionists made much of this because the American revolutionists had done so in 1776. Lafayette, having taken part in person in the American war of independence, and Condorcet, who had been made an honorary citizen of New Haven, were among those most active in having the French Revolution justify itself to the world and the people, by proclaiming the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen as early as August, 1789. - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/maurice-cranston/french-revolution-ideas-and-ideologies#sthash.39zg8t0S.dpuf
Holy fuckin BURN! lmao!!!
Keep talkin Bennylava... you're one entertaining motherfucker! Ballsalsa, resident fact checker, will straighten your ass out every god damn time.
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The term left wing comes from France too. It was those that sat to the left of the monarch. The right wing supported the monarch, the left the revolution.
Liberalism, classically, heavily influenced the founding Fathers. One of the primary tenants of classical liberalism was egalitarianis, i.e. all men are created equal.
The parallels between America's right and middle (modern Democrats) and maintaining the status quo with corporate oligarch control is pretty obvious.
But... Libtards!!!
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paperbackwriter said: The term left wing comes from France too. It was those that sat to the left of the monarch. The right wing supported the monarch, the left the revolution.
Liberalism, classically, heavily influenced the founding Fathers. One of the primary tenants of classical liberalism was egalitarianis, i.e. all men are created equal.
The parallels between America's right and middle (modern Democrats) and maintaining the status quo with corporate oligarch control is pretty obvious.
But... Libtards!!!
What a word used to mean and what it currently means can be very different things. The democrats where the ones who supported slavery back in the day. That doesnt mean they do now.
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Sure. I think I emphasised that with 'classically' when referring to Liberalism.
Words can also be misappropriated for political gain. The Socialist Nazi State is a prime example of this and one that crops up continually on this board.
I think that later part was bennylava's point. But the French revolutionaries, much like the American ones, were heavily influenced by Locke. And using the definition of their time, would have been promoting Liberal ideas.
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Democrats still do support slavery, the idea the parties have "changed" is poppycock, they just institute it differently nowadays
And yeah, PB, that's we don't call them liberals anymore, we call them what they are, statists, Marxists, communists,
It irritates me when people call them "progressives" as if there's any progress made electing them, 20 TRILLION dollars later the poverty rate is still the same as when they started the "war on poverty"
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If the $20 trillion were spent on fighting poverty, poverty would be long gone. But most of it goes to the wealthy.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If the $20 trillion were spent on fighting poverty, poverty would be long gone. But most of it goes to the wealthy.
Lol, and you can't even come close to proving that, can you?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It would cost $175 billion to eliminate poverty in the US:
http://www.demos.org/blog/9/23/13/how-much-money-would-it-take-eliminate-us-poverty
And democrats have had 20 TRILLION, so what went wrong???
I'll give you a clue, you can't give people money to get them out of poverty...
And sorry, but I can't take seriously anything the "Peter Peterson foundation" says, lol
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That $20 trillion didn't go to the poor.
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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (10/23/15 05:18 PM)
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Oh my lord you're dumb. That $20 trillion didn't go to the poor.

I'm reporting that
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Oh my lord you're dumb. That $20 trillion didn't go to the poor.

Yes but why did democrats so much? Is it because they decided to enrich themselves instead of helping the poor?
And that sir, is why we need smaller govt, not bigger
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