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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22388281 - 10/16/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Fourth fucking sentence:

"Beyond DI, Social Security as a whole as well as Medicare cannot sustain projected long-run program costs under currently scheduled financing.



This is a well known fact.  What's not so well known (at least not by conservatives) is that this problem can easily be solved simply by removing the cap and making the rich pay 6.2% just like everyone else.

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I guess I was right all along, I really don't have any business arguing with you. You people really do believe your utopia can exist, and you simply will not hear otherwise.



I hear you, but you're not well informed.  Stick around and you just might learn a few things you didn't know before.  :shrug:


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22388635 - 10/16/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

ROFL!! Well, I guess getting my information directly from the source, the official government website, makes me somehow "not well informed". Par for the course, so far.

I also notice you don't really go out of your way to tell those on your side of the isle, who are clearly posting in this thread, that they're "not well informed", whilst you cite a "well known fact". You're going out of your way to sound as impartial, matter of fact, and educated as possible. And you're failing miserably.

Now that you've been exposed to the SS official website, I'd advise you to head on over the the IRS's official website as well. But its likely ground you fear to tread. As with the SS admin, it doesn't support your position in the slightest.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22388703 - 10/16/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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ROFL!! Well, I guess getting my information directly from the source, the official government website, makes me somehow "not well informed".



You said social security will be broke by 2025.  I pointed out how easy it is for Congress to fix.

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I also notice you don't really go out of your way to tell those on your side of the isle, who are clearly posting in this thread, that they're "not well informed", whilst you cite a "well known fact". You're going out of your way to sound as impartial, matter of fact, and educated as possible. And you're failing miserably.



They were correct.  Social Security didn't say they are going to be broke.  They just said something needed to be done.

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Now that you've been exposed to the SS official website, I'd advise you to head on over the the IRS's official website as well. But its likely ground you fear to tread. As with the SS admin, it doesn't support your position in the slightest.



I have an MBA and studied tax law.  I support every one of my positions.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #22389824 - 10/16/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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They were correct.  Social Security didn't say they are going to be broke.  They just said something needed to be done.




...or they are gonna go broke, lol, which technically, they already are...

its such a sham, its disgusting, taking a percentage of our wages for 50 years and giving a little pittance of it back, barely enough to live on, Bernie Madoff went to prison for the same thing the govt is doing...


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22390250 - 10/16/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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They were correct.  Social Security didn't say they are going to be broke.  They just said something needed to be done.




...or they are gonna go broke, lol, which technically, they already are...

its such a sham, its disgusting, taking a percentage of our wages for 50 years and giving a little pittance of it back, barely enough to live on, Bernie Madoff went to prison for the same thing the govt is doing...





(CNN) - Alleged Ponzi scheme mastermind Bernard Madoff has been a major political donor, directing hundreds of thousands of dollars to Democratic lawmakers over the past two decades.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/17/madoff-was-major-democratic-campaign-contributor/


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22390660 - 10/16/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:They were correct.  Social Security didn't say they are going to be broke.  They just said something needed to be done.




Nothing can be done. That's what you can't seem to understand. It is fundamentally flawed, to its core. And even if it wasn't, it still is. Cause they'd just do again, what they've already done. Steal money from it, so they can go full retard, and then never replace it. Cycle is complete. And for someone with an MBA, you certainly don't read very well. They specifically said, in no uncertain terms that they ARE going broke, and they need them to fix it. Where are you getting this stuff?? ROFL!

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:I support every one of my positions.




I don't. You think your MBA makes your opinion more valuable, or makes you more qualified to comment? You probably don't know this, but there are PHd's who completely disagree with you. What now?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22390677 - 10/16/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:They were correct.  Social Security didn't say they are going to be broke.  They just said something needed to be done.




Nothing can be done. That's what you can't seem to understand. It is fundamentally flawed, to its core. And even if it wasn't, it still is. Cause they'd just do again, what they've already done. Steal money from it, so they can go full retard, and then never replace it. Cycle is complete. And for someone with an MBA, you certainly don't read very well. They specifically said, in no uncertain terms that they ARE going broke, and they need them to fix it. Where are you getting this stuff?? ROFL!

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:I support every one of my positions.




I don't. You think your MBA makes your opinion more valuable, or makes you more qualified to comment? You probably don't know this, but there are PHd's who completely disagree with you. What now?




oh fucking snap! you just got fucking owned Fail, what now?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22390726 - 10/16/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The real point is, they don't care. If you showed all the data to say, Nancy Pelosi, it would fall on deaf ears. No amount of failure or proof of grievous decline, is ever enough.

Its always something that can be fixed, somehow, if we just put a little more thought into it. Give us time, we just need to think a little more! This is all very complicated! Our brains are hurting! Also if we can just raise taxes a little more...

After all, this is no simple matter! Numbers be damned, that's not all there is to it!! You just don't understand!!


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22390744 - 10/16/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The real point is, they don't care. If you showed all the data to say, Nancy Pelosi, it would fall on deaf ears. No amount of failure or proof of grievous decline, is ever enough.

Its always something that can be fixed, somehow, if we just put a little more thought into it. Give us time, we just need to think a little more! This is all very complicated! Our brains are hurting! Also if we can just raise taxes a little more...

After all, this is no simple matter! Numbers be damned, that's not all there is to it!! You just don't understand!!




pretty fucking much! I hear that all the time "you don't understand" "its more nuanced" "its complicated" yet somehow they fail to explain it...


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22390759 - 10/16/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't it weird there are no conservative nations?

How is it the least educated people in an average educated nation have solved the world's economic woes? They have the solutions that nobody else could figure out.

Why won't anyone listen to you geniuses?! They're treading all over you!


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22390773 - 10/16/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Isn't it weird there are no conservative nations?

How is it the least educated people in an average educated nation have solved the world's economic woes? They have the solutions that nobody else could figure out.

Why won't anyone listen to you geniuses?! They're treading all over you!




Hong Kong motherfucker!

now explain to me how Norway, Denmarck and Greece can all have debt with your socialist utopia in full swing???


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #22390843 - 10/16/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Isn't it weird there are no conservative nations?

How is it the least educated people in an average educated nation have solved the world's economic woes? They have the solutions that nobody else could figure out.

Why won't anyone listen to you geniuses?! They're treading all over you!




Oh we don't have to be geniuses! That's another typical libbie assertion, thinking that there is something out there, to be 'figured out'. Its all be done for us. All we want, is this method, this "constitution" followed. Simple. Easy. Even a caveman could do it.

As for least educated, my guess is that I'm much more educated than you are. What is your degree in? Mine is in electrical engineering. I graduated from UT Arlington in 2007. Proud of it. And no I do not work in my field of study. I got laid off twice and I said fuck it, I'm going at it on my own. Couldn't have made a better choice. Lets see where your mighty education has landed you? I can't wait to hear this.

As for "no conservative nations", well. Just more glaring ignorance on your part. But even if there weren't, a slow decline into a socialist septic tank, doesn't mean the nation wasn't once quite fiscally conservative and responsible with its money. What's that old quote, its a great one for this point:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship." -Alexander Tyler



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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22390857 - 10/16/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So you retort to there being a complete lack of your ideology manifested successfully in the real world is to say "well I have a degree."

So? I could be Gary Busey and that wouldn't change The fact that nations that implement your preferred agenda don't exist. At all. And if they ever did, they failed.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22390884 - 10/16/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So you retort to there being a complete lack of your ideology manifested successfully in the real world is to say "well I have a degree."

So? I could be Gary Busey and that wouldn't change The fact that nations that implement your preferred agenda don't exist. At all. And if they ever did, they failed.




See my post above yours. The quote is dead on, and pretty much flushes your whole argument down the toilet. Not that it was difficult.

Basically the quote explains why your argument is flushed down the toilet with the feces, where it belongs. Devolving into socialism, doesn't automatically make it somehow a good thing. How come so many brutal dictatorships exist huh?!? How come!! They must be great!! You should go live in one!11!!1! hurr...


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22390907 - 10/16/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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:shrug: I like to think that anyone can be persuaded by a combination of facts and conscience. it's probably not true, but i like to pretend that it is.  Plus, its fun for me.  The research aspect is actually the best part, because it helps me learn cool stuff. I can read reasonably fast, so that helps i guess.




That's true. I feel the same way. I just don't have the time to be looking up a thousand links anymore :frown:




If I'm arguing with zappa or enlil or anybody I've seen make a concerted effort to make an informed opinion backed up with sources, I gladly return the favor.

But that hasn't been the case with our recent plague. I'll sit down and play chess with a person if they're willing to try even if they're not good. But I'm not gonna take my strategy seriously if they're licking their pieces and blowing snot bubbles.




Lmao!


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22390938 - 10/16/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Isn't it weird there are no conservative nations?

How is it the least educated people in an average educated nation have solved the world's economic woes? They have the solutions that nobody else could figure out.

Why won't anyone listen to you geniuses?! They're treading all over you!




Oh we don't have to be geniuses! That's another typical libbie assertion, thinking that there is something out there, to be 'figured out'. Its all be done for us. All we want, is this method, this "constitution" followed. Simple. Easy. Even a caveman could do it.

As for least educated, my guess is that I'm much more educated than you are. What is your degree in? Mine is in electrical engineering. I graduated from UT Arlington in 2007. Proud of it. And no I do not work in my field of study. I got laid off twice and I said fuck it, I'm going at it on my own. Couldn't have made a better choice. Lets see where your mighty education has landed you? I can't wait to hear this.






So? I could be Gary Busey and that wouldn't change The fact that nations that implement your preferred agenda don't exist. At all. And if they ever did, they failed.




Hong Kong motherfucker! people see you ignoring it, they know you're an idiot...


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22390960 - 10/16/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

what about hong kong?


Is "Hong Kong motherfucker" supposed to be a knockout or something?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22390975 - 10/16/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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So you retort to there being a complete lack of your ideology manifested successfully in the real world is to say "well I have a degree."

So? I could be Gary Busey and that wouldn't change The fact that nations that implement your preferred agenda don't exist. At all. And if they ever did, they failed.




See my post above yours. The quote is dead on, and pretty much flushes your whole argument down the toilet. Not that it was difficult.

Basically the quote explains why your argument is flushed down the toilet with the feces, where it belongs. Devolving into socialism, doesn't automatically make it somehow a good thing. How come so many brutal dictatorships exist huh?!? How come!! They must be great!! You should go live in one!11!!1! hurr...




I have actually never seen this quote play out in reality. Unless you consider violent revolutions 'voting'...


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    #22390989 - 10/16/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Isn't it weird there are no conservative nations?

How is it the least educated people in an average educated nation have solved the world's economic woes? They have the solutions that nobody else could figure out.

Why won't anyone listen to you geniuses?! They're treading all over you!




Oh we don't have to be geniuses! That's another typical libbie assertion, thinking that there is something out there, to be 'figured out'. Its all be done for us. All we want, is this method, this "constitution" followed. Simple. Easy. Even a caveman could do it.

As for least educated, my guess is that I'm much more educated than you are. What is your degree in? Mine is in electrical engineering. I graduated from UT Arlington in 2007. Proud of it. And no I do not work in my field of study. I got laid off twice and I said fuck it, I'm going at it on my own. Couldn't have made a better choice. Lets see where your mighty education has landed you? I can't wait to hear this.






So? I could be Gary Busey and that wouldn't change The fact that nations that implement your preferred agenda don't exist. At all. And if they ever did, they failed.




Hong Kong motherfucker! people see you ignoring it, they know you're an idiot...




Hong Kong is not a sovereign nation.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22391085 - 10/16/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Nothing can be done. That's what you can't seem to understand.



I already told you, it would be saved by making everyone pay 6.2%, not just those making below $117,000.

Google it, there are thousands of sources.

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You think your MBA makes your opinion more valuable, or makes you more qualified to comment? You probably don't know this, but there are PHd's who completely disagree with you. What now?



I never said "it made me more qualified to comment".  You said I should head over to the IRS's website, and I let you know I studied tax law with my MBA, and already know an awful lot about taxes, showing your assumption was wrong AGAIN.


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