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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
#22362108 - 10/11/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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So strife, violence, and companies shutting down, often permanently.
Gotcha. So yeah. There's nothing to see here.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava] 1
#22362170 - 10/11/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you support child labor? Long work hours with no overtime? Companies paying employees in company script rather than U.S. dollars?
Because all of those things were ended through the blood of the labor movement.
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but haven't you heard? labor has no voice or power to affect change, because the bosses will say "no".
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bennylava
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
#22362326 - 10/11/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Do you support child labor? Long work hours with no overtime? Companies paying employees in company script rather than U.S. dollars?
Because all of those things were ended through the blood of the labor movement.
Of course not. But you're also proving my point. Government got involved, or that shit would still be going on. Only reason its not going on now is because of the law. And I never said there shouldn't be regulations. Only that those regulations should be reasonable (like no child labor) and that they shouldn't stifle businesses or their growth. Which in many cases, they do. So you have to watch out for that. Its a big problem that many businesses have experienced, even if you libbies don't know about it, or simply don't care. You'd do well to educate yourself on it, as its one of the main reasons your opposition votes against you.
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ballsalsa said: but haven't you heard? labor has no voice or power to affect change, because the bosses will say "no".
Well hell do an experiment then. Prove me wrong. Go ask your boss and report back what he says. I'll wait.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22362413 - 10/11/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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bennylava said: Well hell do an experiment then. Prove me wrong. Go ask your boss and report back what he says. I'll wait.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22362665 - 10/11/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Do you support child labor? Long work hours with no overtime? Companies paying employees in company script rather than U.S. dollars?
Because all of those things were ended through the blood of the labor movement.
Of course not. But you're also proving my point. Government got involved, or that shit would still be going on. Only reason its not going on now is because of the law. And I never said there shouldn't be regulations. Only that those regulations should be reasonable (like no child labor) and that they shouldn't stifle businesses or their growth. Which in many cases, they do. So you have to watch out for that. Its a big problem that many businesses have experienced, even if you libbies don't know about it, or simply don't care. You'd do well to educate yourself on it, as its one of the main reasons your opposition votes against you.
How about Poland breaking away from the USSR and bringing about democracy? And yes, the government got involved in the U.S. because of extreme pressure from the labor movement. Also most of the strife and violence was at the hands of police and other forms of state capitalism.
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ballsalsa said: but haven't you heard? labor has no voice or power to affect change, because the bosses will say "no".
Well hell do an experiment then. Prove me wrong. Go ask your boss and report back what he says. I'll wait.
Can I bring 100 coworkers? Seriously though I've asked for a raise before and got it. I've also been denied raises because the store I worked at wasn't following corporate policy. In other words, I was denied a raise for not doing what my manager never asked me to do. I've also been threatened with hour cuts or being fired for asking for time off or generally not being 'flexible enough'.
Not all bosses are assholes but there's certainly enough that are and depending on skill set, economic needs, and geographic location 'just finding another job' isn't always an option.
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I hate it when bosses ask you to be flexible.
"Hey asshole, can you structurally work 2 hours overtime every day without getting paid for those hours? No? You're so inflexible!"
And it's always these manager potbellied dickheads, I've never had a business owner treat me that way.
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It's because employers know they hold all the cards.
If there were a 1:1 ratio of jobs and workers they wouldn't be pulling shit like that and getting away with it.
Back when US labor was extremely valuable, the workers got smart and formed unions and demanded reform, often in the face of National Guard riflemen. Now labor isn't in a position to better the working class, and half the working class wants to dismantle some of the only unions left. Fucking morons.
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The Ecstatic said: It's because employers know they hold all the cards.
If there were a 1:1 ratio of jobs and workers they wouldn't be pulling shit like that and getting away with it.
Back when US labor was extremely valuable, the workers got smart and formed unions and demanded reform, often in the face of National Guard riflemen. Now labor isn't in a position to better the working class, and half the working class wants to dismantle some of the only unions left. Fucking morons.
U.S. labor can still be extremely valuable. It just depends on what sector you are in.
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The Ecstatic said: It's because employers know they hold all the cards.
If there were a 1:1 ratio of jobs and workers they wouldn't be pulling shit like that and getting away with it.
Back when US labor was extremely valuable, the workers got smart and formed unions and demanded reform, often in the face of National Guard riflemen. Now labor isn't in a position to better the working class, and half the working class wants to dismantle some of the only unions left. Fucking morons.
U.S. labor can still be extremely valuable. It just depends on what sector you are in.
Of course, but that's not the point. There aren't an infinite amount of jobs in those few sectors.
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ballsalsa said:

That's what I thought. Nothing.
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Can I bring 100 coworkers? Seriously though I've asked for a raise before and got it. I've also been denied raises because the store I worked at wasn't following corporate policy. In other words, I was denied a raise for not doing what my manager never asked me to do. I've also been threatened with hour cuts or being fired for asking for time off or generally not being 'flexible enough'.
Not all bosses are assholes but there's certainly enough that are and depending on skill set, economic needs, and geographic location 'just finding another job' isn't always an option.
You're free to bring as many workers as you think necessary. You've already proven my point for me, I really shouldn't have to bring it up. But why did they have those labor riots and all that uproar? Was it because they went in there and talked to the big wigs, and they said "You know what... you're right. We give in. We should have done all this sooner!" Or was it more like "GTFO and you're fired!!" Doesn't sound like the first response would have elicited the same reaction, does it? Wouldn't be too many labor strikes or riots going on, if that had been the response, would there?
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
#22365334 - 10/11/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what I thought. Nothing.
speaking of nothing, whats up with your phony letter from SSI?
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
#22365411 - 10/11/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's hidden in Jesus' tomb, with the holy grail and Obama's real birth certificate.
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The Ecstatic said: It's hidden in Jesus' tomb, with the holy grail and Obama's real birth certificate.
love how you squeezed in a little bit of ambulance driving for Obama.
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just listing things that people THINK exist, but don't.
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things that don't exist. Like Obama's real birth certificate? I have no opinion on it. Honestly what Im really curious about is, with all the sealed records and stuff, what was he hiding?
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THat is I understand the strategy. If you can't prove it either way beause no records can be found, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the accused. Hillary is trying this tactic too, but unfortunately for Hillary, there are already enough emails recovered to prove she lied and let classified information get out of hand.
The only question is, who is withholding the prosecution and why She wouldn't be undergoing a bit of 'reeducation' by the O camp so she follows the gameplan hes laid out, you think? Under fear of release of more records, by the way.
Or maybe its a stalemate--she has enough on O to take him down too. just wondering.
Anyway its facsinating how corrupt the left is even in comparison to the right.
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Hillary's thesis was pretty interesting. Second rate and uncritical in substance but you can see the pattern in her thinking.
I wonder what Obama's collegiate record would show. It's a bit unfair to laude his law review and hide the rest.
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Bloto]
#22365664 - 10/11/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bloto said: Hillary's thesis was pretty interesting. Second rate and uncritical in substance but you can see the pattern in her thinking.
I wonder what Obama's collegiate record would show. It's a bit unfair to laude his law review and hide the rest.
Hiding shit is what he's all about...
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Bloto]
#22365795 - 10/11/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bloto said: Hillary's thesis was pretty interesting. Second rate and uncritical in substance but you can see the pattern in her thinking.
I wonder what Obama's collegiate record would show. It's a bit unfair to laude his law review and hide the rest.
One has to admit, what a stunning political play it was to put Obama into power. Sheer fucking genius. Hide everything so he can't be attacked. and anyone who dares attack him gets branded racist.
If I applied for a job at a company and claimed X credentials, and the employer looked them up and couldn't find them--I'd be fired.
But this guy got away with it--with the help of the media, and lots of subterfuge. Sickening.
By the way, I find it interesting that one of the most liberal of law professors at Harvard says that Ted Cruz is perhaps one of the most brilliant persons he ever had in a class.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/09/dershowitz-tex-cruz-one-of-harvard-laws-smartest-students/
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