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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22320819 - 10/01/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Time to end the USPS.  It is just a union featherbed gulling the taxpayers.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22321187 - 10/01/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm lazy, did the USPS have difficulty meeting its pension obligations in recent years?  And as a result they had to put more money aside to meet future obligations?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
    #22321367 - 10/01/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

they got mandated to save more to fund their extremely generous retirement benefits. that ensures that employees that were promised something get it....

THe root of it is, they arem't competitive at the price it would cost them to continue.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22321493 - 10/01/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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I heard the post office is raising the price of stamps again.  Seems they need to buy more 'THis window closed' signs.


Honestly the PO is fast, and has good rates.  But I do believe they are running on borrowed money--from the government.  They are no longer self-sustaining, but they used to be.






Quote:

Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act

Section(s) 801-805

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr6407/text








Wow!    They made a bill saying the post office has to be accountable.  Now, tell me what their profits are for every year since that bill has passed.  :smirk:




you guys need to re-read this bill. It actually mandates that the USPS use it's retirement fund to loan money to the Treasury.  I was trying to figure out why they wanted 5.5 billion every year,(well, 5.4 the first year and 5.6 on some others) and thats when i noticed that they are now required to invest the remainder of what they don't pay out every year in Treasury bonds.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22321625 - 10/01/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow. Ridiculous. The postal service is wonderful, and I don't know why people are bashing it. It's the best mailing service there is, really.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22322109 - 10/02/15 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:"repubs, he'll cut funding to those programs"

You're dreaming, no Republican has cut any social program in the past 30 years.

The people at the top really don't give a shit about welfare, food stamps, and disability payments for the peasants. They think of it as social stability insurance, they sprinkle a few crumbs down the food chain which gets spent into the general economy in a matter of seconds.

Do you know who's the largest lobbyist for the food stamp program?  Wal-mart!!




What rock do you live under? Bush cut millions of medicade funding, and the libbies were screaming that he was murdering people. Where on earth have you been?

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The Ecstatic said:
What bennylava is too dense to understand is that by using his method to cut out abuse, he's cutting out people who WANT to work but can't find it. Therefore it's not a viable option.

It's like saying "there's a lot of crime in urban ghettos, so if we just go in and arrest every single black and hispanics, crime would go down." No fucking shit, but that's not the point.




You're either still high, or you've the intellect of a rock. I already addressed the concern of this post, several times, and I'm tired of repeating it. You're not even reading the replies, you're just posting. Minimum wage jobs are always hiring. Always. I don't need employment, but I can go down to a temp agency and they'll put me to work tomorrow. My buddy does it constantly. Why can't you understand this? Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22322111 - 10/02/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Wow. Ridiculous. The postal service is wonderful, and I don't know why people are bashing it. It's the best mailing service there is, really.




I'm sure you think the DPS, the DMV, etc etc are great too. Hell, everything's great. Where exactly do you buy your happy pills?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
    #22322115 - 10/02/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
I'm lazy, did the USPS have difficulty meeting its pension obligations in recent years?  And as a result they had to put more money aside to meet future obligations?




This is one of the things I was referring to. The reason these people are completely oblivious to this, is that the libtard propaganda outlets dare not talk about it. It just turns them inside out to even think it. They're government worshippers. They have their God, which is the government, and the religious fundamentalists have theirs, which we all already know.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22322266 - 10/02/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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qman said:"repubs, he'll cut funding to those programs"

You're dreaming, no Republican has cut any social program in the past 30 years.

The people at the top really don't give a shit about welfare, food stamps, and disability payments for the peasants. They think of it as social stability insurance, they sprinkle a few crumbs down the food chain which gets spent into the general economy in a matter of seconds.

Do you know who's the largest lobbyist for the food stamp program?  Wal-mart!!




What rock do you live under? Bush cut millions of medicade funding, and the libbies were screaming that he was murdering people. Where on earth have you been?

Quote:






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act

"the projected net cost of the program over 2006 to 2015 period was $549.2 billion"

What about the drug spending?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
    #22322653 - 10/02/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hate to tell you this, but none of that prevents any cuts that may have later been deemed necessary.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22322672 - 10/02/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Wow. Ridiculous. The postal service is wonderful, and I don't know why people are bashing it. It's the best mailing service there is, really.



Really? God i hate using the USPS. They constantly lose my mail, they don't have actual tracking and it takes forever. The only reason they're still in business is because the government made it illegal for anyone but them to deliver letters. They'd go out of business in a heart beat if FEDEX and UPS could also deliver letters.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22322764 - 10/02/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Hate to tell you this, but none of that prevents any cuts that may have later been deemed necessary.




I thought your contention was that R's were fiscally disciplined.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
    #22322798 - 10/02/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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bennylava said:
Hate to tell you this, but none of that prevents any cuts that may have later been deemed necessary.




I thought your contention was that R's were fiscally disciplined.




Oh hell no. Where did you get that idea? They're just typically, a little more financially disciplined that D's. That's about it, but most often, it seems to me at least, they're about the same. I don't listen to anything they say, most politicians are just professional liars anyway. You have to watch their actions, which would be the way they vote.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22322811 - 10/02/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you are so interested in fiscal responsibility, why do you seem to want to gloss over the fact that since 2006, the federal government has been forcing the USPS to loan billions to the treasury each year?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22324384 - 10/02/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
If you are so interested in fiscal responsibility, why do you seem to want to gloss over the fact that since 2006, the federal government has been forcing the USPS to loan billions to the treasury each year?





Proof? Not aware of it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if I can poke a hole in it that leads back to more bureaucratic nonsense, government waste, corruption, etc. If its going on, then I'm sure it shouldn't be. We'll see what you come up with.

All you guys who think the post office is doing fine, take a look. Old article, but nothing's changed. Pumping more money into it so it doesn't look so bad, doesn't somehow make it go away.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-service/11433/


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22324477 - 10/02/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bennylava said:
Quote:

qman said:"repubs, he'll cut funding to those programs"

You're dreaming, no Republican has cut any social program in the past 30 years.

The people at the top really don't give a shit about welfare, food stamps, and disability payments for the peasants. They think of it as social stability insurance, they sprinkle a few crumbs down the food chain which gets spent into the general economy in a matter of seconds.

Do you know who's the largest lobbyist for the food stamp program?  Wal-mart!!




What rock do you live under? Bush cut millions of medicade funding, and the libbies were screaming that he was murdering people. Where on earth have you been?

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
What bennylava is too dense to understand is that by using his method to cut out abuse, he's cutting out people who WANT to work but can't find it. Therefore it's not a viable option.

It's like saying "there's a lot of crime in urban ghettos, so if we just go in and arrest every single black and hispanics, crime would go down." No fucking shit, but that's not the point.




You're either still high, or you've the intellect of a rock. I already addressed the concern of this post, several times, and I'm tired of repeating it. You're not even reading the replies, you're just posting. Minimum wage jobs are always hiring. Always. I don't need employment, but I can go down to a temp agency and they'll put me to work tomorrow. My buddy does it constantly. Why can't you understand this? Were you dropped on your head when you were a baby?




Do you realize full time employment is drastically dropping?

Do you realize minimum wage isn't a liveable wage for basically anyone with bills or a child or a car or virtually any obligation besides shelter and food for themselves?

You clearly haven't thought this through.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22324513 - 10/02/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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qman said:
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bennylava said:
Hate to tell you this, but none of that prevents any cuts that may have later been deemed necessary.




I thought your contention was that R's were fiscally disciplined.




Oh hell no. Where did you get that idea? They're just typically, a little more financially disciplined that D's. That's about it, but most often, it seems to me at least, they're about the same. I don't listen to anything they say, most politicians are just professional liars anyway. You have to watch their actions, which would be the way they vote.




Not really, at all. Republicans spend more money than Democrats, generally speaking. They just dont spend it on anything that benefits society.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22324522 - 10/02/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Quote:

ballsalsa said:
If you are so interested in fiscal responsibility, why do you seem to want to gloss over the fact that since 2006, the federal government has been forcing the USPS to loan billions to the treasury each year?





Proof? Not aware of it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if I can poke a hole in it that leads back to more bureaucratic nonsense, government waste, corruption, etc. If its going on, then I'm sure it shouldn't be. We'll see what you come up with.

All you guys who think the post office is doing fine, take a look. Old article, but nothing's changed. Pumping more money into it so it doesn't look so bad, doesn't somehow make it go away.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-postal-service/11433/




Apparently you haven't read any of he posts regarding why the post office is doing just fine.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22324608 - 10/02/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't mind dissenting opinion if the dissenters could just accept all the information.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22324637 - 10/02/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If we ended the USPS private mail carriers would refuse to deliver mail to certain areas. I met a USPS regional manager once and he explained to me that UPS and Fedex actually contract them to deliver THEIR packages in certain rural areas because it isn't profitable for them to. So if we didn't have a publicly funded not for profit mail delivery system certain citizens would be disenfranchised from that service.


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