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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: Brian Jones]
    #22317844 - 10/01/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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HostileUniverse said:

"Hello sir, it appears you're applying for welfare, (or insert government assistance here). Do you have a job? No? Why not? Oh, well please return when you have full time employment" Bam. I just killed abuse of the system.




:somefunnyshit:

The system is slightly more comprehensive than the fucking honor system.

So sorry, but no, your 20 second pondering of the issue isn't killing any abuse, it's probably promoting it.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317854 - 10/01/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're high, aren't you


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317860 - 10/01/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317874 - 10/01/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.




Do it. My computer program that you didn't read about, would defeat the essay. Red flags. Same method the IRS uses. It would check your SS number for recent uses, which is every paycheck. And it wouldn't cost a thing, once the program was written. It would save millions, maybe billions in illegal fraud of the system.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317875 - 10/01/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Let's start with a few possible scenarios:


Answer: Because I got laid off and now I can't feed my kids.
Outcome: Welp, guess your kids are starving then, better luck next time.

Answer: My employer went bankrupt during the recession and I've only been able to find part time employment in my field ever since.
Outcome: tough shit, you're fault.




Maybe if HU could list just one answer to "Why not?" I could list how easy it would be to lie about it. And like I said, it's hard to punish people for whatever reason that is if they have children.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317880 - 10/01/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.




Do it. My computer program that you didn't read about, would defeat the essay. Red flags. Same method the IRS uses. It would check your SS number for recent uses, which is every paycheck. And it wouldn't cost a thing, once the program was written. It would save millions, maybe billions in illegal fraud of the system.




Do you have any evidence that billions in (what program exactly?) are spent on the employed?

Wanna point out in that program where people aren't allowed to be employed to use the program?

If there's a set dollar amount, and the person doesn't make salary, how do we predict how much money they'll make in the future?


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317895 - 10/01/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.




Do it. My computer program that you didn't read about, would defeat the essay. Red flags. Same method the IRS uses. It would check your SS number for recent uses, which is every paycheck. And it wouldn't cost a thing, once the program was written. It would save millions, maybe billions in illegal fraud of the system.



Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Let's start with a few possible scenarios:


Answer: Because I got laid off and now I can't feed my kids.
Outcome: Welp, guess your kids are starving then, better luck next time.

Answer: My employer went bankrupt during the recession and I've only been able to find part time employment in my field ever since.
Outcome: tough shit, you're fault.


Maybe if HU could list just one answer to "Why not?" I could list how easy it would be to lie about it. And like I said, it's hard to punish people for whatever reason that is if they have children.





Its not hard to punish people with kids. Its extremely easy. We do it all day, every day. Its happening as we speak. A little thing called prison? Nobody in prison has any kids? LOL

That's your reply? Really? See, it would go more like this. This is the reality, that it would be, if implemented.

Answer: I don't have a job because (insert reason here)
Outcome: Come back when you get one. Like I said, mcdonalds, walmart, the gas station, kroger, albertsons, the pig farm outside town, etc etc etc etc etc are all hiring. Oh and don't forget to go to the unemployment office. Lastly, if for some reason you really can not find a job (well need to see those application numbers for verification that you tried), temp agencies will gladly place you somewhere. Come back then.

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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317899 - 10/01/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So you want people without jobs' societal punishment to be on par with that of convicted criminals?

Brilliant.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317901 - 10/01/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And yeah, if you wanna actually (insert reason here) that'd be great.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317913 - 10/01/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

bennylava said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.




Do it. My computer program that you didn't read about, would defeat the essay. Red flags. Same method the IRS uses. It would check your SS number for recent uses, which is every paycheck. And it wouldn't cost a thing, once the program was written. It would save millions, maybe billions in illegal fraud of the system.




Do you have any evidence that billions in (what program exactly?) are spent on the employed?

Wanna point out in that program where people aren't allowed to be employed to use the program?

If there's a set dollar amount, and the person doesn't make salary, how do we predict how much money they'll make in the future?





None of that is necessary. They came in asking for government assistance, and they must have a job. They submit their SS number to the particular office of the assistance they're seeking. The program verifies their employment, by simply querying the SS administration's server. If yes:

We can now talk about your assistance.

If no:

Come back when you get a job. See my previous post about where they can work, since you can't get it through your head that yes, they can find a job. Boo hoo, cry me a fucking river, if its not a job they want. Nobody cares. Get to work. THEN we'll talk about your assistance. If they think they're going to quit and still get a check? Nope. The program checks every week (or bi weekly)to make sure they're still employed.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317923 - 10/01/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:

So you want people without jobs' societal punishment to be on par with that of convicted criminals?

Brilliant.




Yeah, I never said that, and I don't know where you're getting half this crap. You being high is definitely hindering your mental capacities.

You said its hard to punish people with kids, I gave you that as an EXAMPLE that no, its not. You know what? I'm done talking to you. You're simply too stoned to argue with. Good day to you sir.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317928 - 10/01/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for proving my original point.

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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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paperbackwriter said:
If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.




Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.




Nope. Abuse of the system runs rampant, and we want that cut out completely





You don't give a fuck about people cheating the system, you don't even want the system to exist. You think everyone's just lazy.


I accept your apology.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317938 - 10/01/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:

So you want people without jobs' societal punishment to be on par with that of convicted criminals?

Brilliant.




Yeah, I never said that, and I don't know where you're getting half this crap. You being high is definitely hindering your mental capacities.

You said its hard to punish people with kids, I gave you that as an EXAMPLE that no, its not. You know what? I'm done talking to you. You're simply too stoned to argue with. Good day to you sir.




How are you not getting it?

Punishing convicted criminals kids by putting their parent in jail is a lot different than letting some kids starve to death because their parent(s) don't have a good enough job, or a job at all.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22317941 - 10/01/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Thanks for proving my original point.

Quote:

bennylava said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.




Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.




Nope. Abuse of the system runs rampant, and we want that cut out completely





You don't give a fuck about people cheating the system, you don't even want the system to exist. You think everyone's just lazy.


I accept your apology.





What apology? ROFL! Yeah, you're either trolling, or you're off your rocker. So this is the last one, this time. You simply don't want to admit, that my system would kick people off, who actually WERE lazy, and who were criminally defrauding the system. You like that they can do it.

So while I don't have much love for the repubs, at least when the next one gets in office, he'll cut funding to those programs. Studies have been done, and guess what those people do, when someone takes away the government cheese. They get a job.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22317967 - 10/01/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
If income was more equal we'd need fewer social programs and everyone could contribute more in taxes without being crippled by the burden.




Exactly. But half the country thinks the only reason for our unemployment and poverty rates is laziness.




Nope. Abuse of the system runs rampant, and we want that cut out completely





You don't give a fuck about people cheating the system, you don't even want the system to exist. You think everyone's just lazy.


I accept your apology.





What apology? ROFL! Yeah, you're either trolling, or you're off your rocker. So this is the last one, this time. You simply don't want to admit, that my system would kick people off, who actually WERE lazy, and who were criminally defrauding the system. You like that they can do it.

So while I don't have much love for the repubs, at least when the next one gets in office, he'll cut funding to those programs. Studies have been done, and guess what those people do, when someone takes away the government cheese. They get a job.




"repubs, he'll cut funding to those programs"

You're dreaming, no Republican has cut any social program in the past 30 years.

The people at the top really don't give a shit about welfare, food stamps, and disability payments for the peasants. They think of it as social stability insurance, they sprinkle a few crumbs down the food chain which gets spent into the general economy in a matter of seconds.

Do you know who's the largest lobbyist for the food stamp program?  Wal-mart!!


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: qman]
    #22317995 - 10/01/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What bennylava is too dense to understand is that by using his method to cut out abuse, he's cutting out people who WANT to work but can't find it. Therefore it's not a viable option.

It's like saying "there's a lot of crime in urban ghettos, so if we just go in and arrest every single black and hispanics, crime would go down."

No fucking shit, but that's not the point.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22318175 - 10/01/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You didn't even read the post you replied to, did you? I can tell you didn't. Your reply has nothing to do with it. I told you how public schools can be killed for a much, MUCH better replacement, AND we'd all pay lower taxes, and you respond with that. Yeah, I can see I don't have any business arguing with you.




I did read the post.  Your assumption is either based on the idea that everyone worth educating has parents that can afford it or that everyone will just be able to afford private school if we got government out of it.  I reject both positions.

Unless you're talking about Charter schools, which you already said you're not.

Honestly I think your argument boils down too I don't want to pay taxes for a service I don't use.  In which case I will repeat myself.

Did you go to public school?  Do you live in a society full of people that did go to public school?  Do you benefit directly or indirectly from public school?

Once more with the repeating.

Even if you reject my notion that living in an educated society is for the greater good you're outvoted.  We live in a democracy.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22318746 - 10/01/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah but the majority opinion infringes on my freedom! :obama:


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22319013 - 10/01/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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bennylava said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I'm fucking blazed and I could write an essay on "Why Asking People Why Theyre Unemployed To Prevent Welfare Waste" won't work.




Do it. My computer program that you didn't read about, would defeat the essay. Red flags. Same method the IRS uses. It would check your SS number for recent uses, which is every paycheck. And it wouldn't cost a thing, once the program was written. It would save millions, maybe billions in illegal fraud of the system.




Do you have any evidence that billions in (what program exactly?) are spent on the employed?

Wanna point out in that program where people aren't allowed to be employed to use the program?

If there's a set dollar amount, and the person doesn't make salary, how do we predict how much money they'll make in the future?





None of that is necessary. They came in asking for government assistance, and they must have a job. They submit their SS number to the particular office of the assistance they're seeking. The program verifies their employment, by simply querying the SS administration's server. If yes:

We can now talk about your assistance.

If no:

Come back when you get a job. See my previous post about where they can work, since you can't get it through your head that yes, they can find a job. Boo hoo, cry me a fucking river, if its not a job they want. Nobody cares. Get to work. THEN we'll talk about your assistance. If they think they're going to quit and still get a check? Nope. The program checks every week (or bi weekly)to make sure they're still employed.




This is he dumbest shit I've heard on here since HU's last post... whatever the fuck that was.

I can't even talk to you people anymore. Jesus Christ.


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Re: Capitalism at work [Re: bennylava]
    #22319026 - 10/01/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone who thinks the PO isn't hurting is living in fantasy land. But I'm sure they don't report this on the libbie propaganda outlets.




Except that you're wrong, and the post office produces a surplus. The government mandated they produce MORE surplus, so that Republicans could say the PO wasn't making the cut, but it's STILL making it. That is a fact. Go look it up on a factual website. Sarah Palin doesn't count as a source, btw.

The post office does more business now than ever in the past. They don't rely on junk mail, they rely on e-commerce.


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