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superbob57
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So are drugs this worlds magic???
#22278716 - 09/23/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hate to bring up the subject, but yeah gotta feel a little Magic, in each substance... God I sound Like freakin Gandalf...
-------------------- If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.A Man Of Experiences ...IV 4-aco-DMT "Where Fools Rush In, and Angels Fear To Tread..." NN-DMT Pure Magic Wizard Dust! folio]http://www.redbubble.com/people/khaotehk/portfolio[/url] https://youtu.be/C1_YHJDRgqE
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: superbob57] 1
#22278830 - 09/23/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with you. And think, if magic did indeed exist (or does) is it not likely that it too would be subject to laws of the universe? And if so, would we still call it magic? I think not. It would simply be observable phenomenon open to scientific inquiry. Essentially what I am saying is that one can find magic in just about everything.The mere fact of existence can be thought of as magic. Harry Potter's potion classes are no different in principle than chemistry as we know it.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: superbob57]
#22278883 - 09/23/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice brah. You are totally a visionary now!
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22278912 - 09/23/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can feel electricity and energy when I hold a shit ton of acid so yea I think it is.
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Rebelutionsssss said: I can feel electricity and energy when I hold a shit ton of acid so yea I think it is.
I felt an electric zap when I tasted a speck of sassafras on lsd.
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superbob57
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: Love_spirit] 1
#22278998 - 09/23/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.A Man Of Experiences ...IV 4-aco-DMT "Where Fools Rush In, and Angels Fear To Tread..." NN-DMT Pure Magic Wizard Dust! folio]http://www.redbubble.com/people/khaotehk/portfolio[/url] https://youtu.be/C1_YHJDRgqE
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: HardTrippin]
#22281561 - 09/23/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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HardTrippin said: I agree with you. And think, if magic did indeed exist (or does) is it not likely that it too would be subject to laws of the universe? And if so, would we still call it magic? I think not. It would simply be observable phenomenon open to scientific inquiry. Essentially what I am saying is that one can find magic in just about everything.The mere fact of existence can be thought of as magic. Harry Potter's potion classes are no different in principle than chemistry as we know it.
What we might call magic because it doesn't seem to fit the "laws" of the universe can simply be aspects of the universe that hasn't come into full understanding yet. Things like shamanic healing (done that), control of the weather (ditto), manifestation of impossible effects (ditto) along with the suspension of "probability" (ditto), and that fall back, synchronicity (double ditto).
The trick in a lot of this in terms of demonstration and reproduction is not whether or not it happens (it does and can with the right drugs) but how to document it and control it, how to set up the experiments that reveal its operation plainly. That's the new frontier here. New physics yields new stuff, new kinds of computers, new kinds of methods of solving problems, new kinds of understanding. But ain't nobody saying it's easy.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: HardTrippin]
#22281721 - 09/23/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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HardTrippin said: I agree with you. And think, if magic did indeed exist (or does) is it not likely that it too would be subject to laws of the universe? And if so, would we still call it magic? I think not. It would simply be observable phenomenon open to scientific inquiry. Essentially what I am saying is that one can find magic in just about everything.The mere fact of existence can be thought of as magic. Harry Potter's potion classes are no different in principle than chemistry as we know it.
I dont agree necessarily. For instance, we still call spiritual power spiritual rather than inventing a scientific name for it. There is no reason why we couldn't identify a scientific name but our science tends to deal with more external and observable things than spiritual power. We don't typically use science to try to measure how much love someone has in their heart for example, or how devoted to God someone is. Not that its entirely unheard of, there are studies that attempted to measure the brains of monks and nuns and stuff like that but generally speaking spirituality operates under the authority of the guru or spiritual teacher than a science book about spirituality.
I think magic is the same. Magical power is like spiritual power. Its not something that is easy to reproduce and study in a scientific way. In fact, most scientists if they told their colleagues they were going to study "magical power" would be laughed at.
Most scientists like things that can be sensed with the 5 physical senses. Super natural things tend to make them uneasy and sometimes queezy.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22282056 - 09/24/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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HardTrippin said: I agree with you. And think, if magic did indeed exist (or does) is it not likely that it too would be subject to laws of the universe? And if so, would we still call it magic? I think not. It would simply be observable phenomenon open to scientific inquiry. Essentially what I am saying is that one can find magic in just about everything.The mere fact of existence can be thought of as magic. Harry Potter's potion classes are no different in principle than chemistry as we know it.
What we might call magic because it doesn't seem to fit the "laws" of the universe can simply be aspects of the universe that hasn't come into full understanding yet. Things like shamanic healing (done that), control of the weather (ditto), manifestation of impossible effects (ditto) along with the suspension of "probability" (ditto), and that fall back, synchronicity (double ditto).
The trick in a lot of this in terms of demonstration and reproduction is not whether or not it happens (it does and can with the right drugs) but how to document it and control it, how to set up the experiments that reveal its operation plainly. That's the new frontier here. New physics yields new stuff, new kinds of computers, new kinds of methods of solving problems, new kinds of understanding. But ain't nobody saying it's easy. 
.....Primal gonna PROVE that magic is fo' real , child!....THATS WHATS UP  !
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: Hemuli]
#22282134 - 09/24/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magic: 1. the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.
By this definition, fuck yeah they are.
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superbob57
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: teenagehippie]
#22282201 - 09/24/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have hard time disagree with that.. Good answer!
-------------------- If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.A Man Of Experiences ...IV 4-aco-DMT "Where Fools Rush In, and Angels Fear To Tread..." NN-DMT Pure Magic Wizard Dust! folio]http://www.redbubble.com/people/khaotehk/portfolio[/url] https://youtu.be/C1_YHJDRgqE
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: superbob57]
#22282251 - 09/24/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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To answer OP question:
No, drugs are not this worlds majick. But, some have the ability to bring you closer to your natural, hidden power.
We all have ability and power, though not the same levels. We have to figure out how to access this power and practice on ways how to use it, how to manipulate things with it.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: MajickMuffin]
#22282286 - 09/24/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking that if time travel was or is possible, it probably wouldn't be through some machine using electricity. We've only had electricity for the past couple hundred years, I think if it it was or is possible it seems to make more sense to "hide" that technology in a plant. The mushroom is perfect cuz you just pick and eat, ayahuasca you need two different plants that need to be boiled, so you need a pot, and fire and the knowledge on how to prepare the material. Just a thought.
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superbob57
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yes it is the one psyche that needs No Help the Mushroom, Needs nothing but itself and YOU...for the Experience...
-------------------- If I run full blast, I'll never get tired and If I slow down I get stuck, so I opened my mind and let the wild things in and there not going away but getting stronger, day by day, I will find the source of all things it's only a matter of time and I will be one with the universe once again my friends...I will never find the end but the start of a new begining...-J.R.S.A Man Of Experiences ...IV 4-aco-DMT "Where Fools Rush In, and Angels Fear To Tread..." NN-DMT Pure Magic Wizard Dust! folio]http://www.redbubble.com/people/khaotehk/portfolio[/url] https://youtu.be/C1_YHJDRgqE
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: superbob57]
#22282324 - 09/24/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What if it's just chemicals that react with our complex brain
Nah must be majick
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badchad
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Jean-guy Masta said: What if it's just chemicals that react with our complex brain
This^
Drugs work via an observable, defined mechanism. That isn't magic, its science.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: badchad] 1
#22283727 - 09/24/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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how do you know our brains are not magic?
anyhoo, i am somewhat partial to the idea that many mythological ideas of magic were originally references to psychedelics. the philosopher's stone, the holy grail, the fountain of youth, stuff like that. how many of these stories started with some guy tripping balls?
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Getting stoned feels pretty magical, tripping feels pretty magical, and dissacoatives (sp?) feel magical. Opiates, benzos, alcohol, feel awesome but not magical.
Amphetamines used to feel magical for me, after fucking my tolerance to hell they just make me feel like shit.
Im thinking that only drugs with psychedelic properties can feel "magical". I dont know why amphs gave me that magic feeling, but tolerance took that away.
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Re: So are drugs this worlds magic??? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22284779 - 09/24/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psychedelics without a doubt operate in a observable and measurable way. The psychedelic itself is not inherently magical. Nothing about the way a psychedelic is affecting your brain and physiology is magical. That being said, the experiences we have as a result of the psychedelic can be magical. The rituals we decide to involve ourselves in the pursuit of psychedelics can be extremely rooted in mysticism. The stories we tell ourselves about psychedelics can have the weight of modern day mythology. The experiences we have while in psychedelic states ultimately are where the magic lies. Lets say we have an "ego death" experience that allows our consciousness to experience otherwise remote planes of thought that we would never have been able to experience before. The experience of having the boundaries and limits of your natural cognitive state dissolved is in my opinion totally magical regardless of whether the processes in your brain are caused chemically or not. The experiences of synchronicity, altering your environment through thought or intention alone, perception of the energy within things, and connecting to higher entities or planes of existence beyond the material are magical processes that are only allowed into existence by removing yourself from the bonds of a concrete ego, and by connecting to the symbolism necessary within your own psychology to affect your perceived environment. In my opinion the validity of the magical nature of things does not infringe upon its actual outcome in the world at large but instead is more important to the world inside yourself.
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