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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22282743 - 09/24/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Crime was lower in medieval times. Therefore it worked. Show me where cutting off hands for stealing has increased crime. Even if one person thinks twice before the crime it was a deterrent. It's impossible to eradicate crime with any method, crime always has and always will exist. I just want to lower it. Don't give me this BS that crime still exists therefore it didn't work. No is claiming it will make crime go away. I bet I could leave my bike unlocked in Riyadh all day and night.
You are right. Street crime in Saudi Arabia is almost unheard of. You could leave your ipad taped to your unlocked bike and expect to find it all intact the next day. Even in a country like Singapore street crime is at quite a low level. Around here every train is vandalized and "tagged" by scum bags. In Singapore a single incident of vandalism is nationwide news and even results in manhunts for the capture of the guilty culprit.
My guess is that people against punishing thieves are themselves thieves. They just don't want to recieve the just punishment for their own offenses. They just laugh at justice and go about their life of petty crime and shoplifting sprees.
or they don't wish for manhunt's over eye witness testimony, but regardless, you may have a point somewhere in that diatribe.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22282748 - 09/24/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: while our crime rates are far higher
Than medieval europe?
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#22282782 - 09/24/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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knight's live's matter yo
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa]
#22282786 - 09/24/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: while our crime rates are far higher
Than medieval europe?
Than they were in 1900 for that matter. I don't think they had yet mastered statistical reporting in medieval days. The oldest actual stats I've seen were from the 1880's era including what could be considered the old west or the so called "wild west". Crimes were a lot less common in those days. They had some notable outlaws sure, but they also had very low property crime and murder rates in general. Crime rates really spike in the 1920's with prohibition and never really go back down. Somehow property crimes and violent crimes went up along with prohibition offenses, sort of a culture of lawlessness which is much worse now than ever before. Do not ask for my sources as I'm going from memory, its several years since I studied this in historical context for a cultural anthropology project I did on the effects of prohibition damaging society.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa]
#22282836 - 09/24/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html
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Historians now say that homicide rates were extraordinarily high in Europe during the Middle Ages -- and high in the United States during the early 19th century -- then declined steadily until the 1960's. And for centuries, it was villages that were often the scenes of violence.
These findings, published in recent papers and presented earlier this month at the annual conference of the Social Science History Association here, contradict a basic tenet of criminology, that violence is endemic to densely packed urban and industrial centers where traditional social ties and values necessarily break down. The new research should "undermine the basic claim that the city, with its anonymity and crowding, is in and of itself the factor in causing violence," said Joan McCord, a professor of criminal justice at Temple University and a past president of the American Society of Criminology.
Eric H. Monkkonen, a professor of American urban history at the University of California at Los Angeles, said: "What we are finding is that violence is not an immutable human problem. There really has been a civilizing process" in which, scholars say, an increase in state power and courtly manners beginning in the 16th and 17th centuries helped curb impulsive, violent behavior.
Professor Stone has estimated that the homicide rate in medieval England was on average 10 times that of 20th century England. A study of the university town of Oxford in the 1340's showed an extraordinarily high annual rate of about 110 per 100,000 people.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa]
#22283074 - 09/24/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: Crime was lower in medieval times.
sources?
There were less laws and a lot less people. So yes, the most likely was less crime in medieval times
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Patlal]
#22283613 - 09/24/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I mean, instead of committing murder, it was completely legal to duel someone. That alone would have solved/stopped so many crimes.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Achillita]
#22284735 - 09/24/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tune in next time where Italy will be heading the "U.N. Fiscal Responsibility Panel" and the U.S. will be championing the "U.N. Pacifism Commission."
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: dionysiandame]
#22284899 - 09/24/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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you guys don't understand they only enforce these crimes on poor people
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#22285224 - 09/24/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My university let in a shit ton of Saudi Arabians right after the ban got lifted because everyone knows most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi nationals.
Most people's views on Saudis are completely false. I actually have a friend who is from there and he was really chill. he had like 20 brothers and sisters or some shit and his dad worked in Oil (go figure). He is fucking jacked as fuck too. Always was working out and wasn't anti american at all. They fucking love america. There was this other one that had an Obama tattoo and a fucking tupac tattoo. He was okay but the tattoos were so bad it was hard to ignore lmao. He even had a fucking American flag tattoo. I honestly think he got them before coming to college to fit in.
So saying they don't idolize gangsters or thugs isn't correct. they were almost all into rap and shit. They really do think they are black. Some of them were fucking weird as fuck and barbaric. I watched one chase another one with a knife saying he was going to cut his head off. Good think my Pakistani friend spoke arabic so he was able to diffuse that shit and had to tell them you can't get away with shit like that in america. lmao.
It was pretty true too about how rich some of them were. I watched one buy a GTO (the tupac tattoo guy) spontaneously. Funny he bought an American car.
Also they all caved into the College ways. Almost all of the ones I saw would get wasted. It was funny as fuck seeing some super muslims drinking. I saw a few get addicted to cocaine and a lot of them smoked a shit ton of weed.
Long story short, They are actually pretty normal. Many of the ones I met spoke good English. Which is an accomplishment considering most of the Asians I met in their foreign exchange circle could barely form a sentence. haha. They all caved into American culture the second they landed here. Good times haha
( i think the link between them being all terroists stems from them becoming so Americanized that some right wing nuts there are super pissed off about it. If you research the Saudi royal family, many of the former kings were party animals getting fucking wasted and blowing 1 mill per hand at blackjack )
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Patlal]
#22285253 - 09/24/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The UN is irrelevant, I'm sure this is intended to somehow appease the House of Saud. Their oil is a finite resource, and when it runs out those fuckers will go right back to living in the stone age.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: fapjack]
#22285279 - 09/24/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep. That's why I do not mind buying their oil. Run them dry first.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: zappaisgod]
#22285453 - 09/24/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
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my3rdeye said: Crime was lower in medieval times. Therefore it worked. Show me where cutting off hands for stealing has increased crime. Even if one person thinks twice before the crime it was a deterrent. It's impossible to eradicate crime with any method, crime always has and always will exist. I just want to lower it. Don't give me this BS that crime still exists therefore it didn't work. No is claiming it will make crime go away. I bet I could leave my bike unlocked in Riyadh all day and night.
You are right. Street crime in Saudi Arabia is almost unheard of. You could leave your ipad taped to your unlocked bike and expect to find it all intact the next day. Even in a country like Singapore street crime is at quite a low level. Around here every train is vandalized and "tagged" by scum bags. In Singapore a single incident of vandalism is nationwide news and even results in manhunts for the capture of the guilty culprit.
My guess is that people against punishing thieves are themselves thieves. They just don't want to recieve the just punishment for their own offenses. They just laugh at justice and go about their life of petty crime and shoplifting sprees.
When I was in Singapore, they found a mutilated body of a woman in a trashbag and she was obviously sexually assaulted. There were also a string of robberies where people were hit in the back of the head with glass bottles, so that's what was on the news.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: D.M.T]
#22285778 - 09/24/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a friend who goes to Saudi Arabia every year to visit family, and that's where he first smoked weed. Apparently they have pretty decent weed, and tons of people smoke down there. Saudi arabia also has some of the toughest drug laws.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: Achillita]
#22285802 - 09/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck the Saudis
They condemned a liberal Saudi journalist to death because of apostasy and the UN is insane enough to let them do this?
Hahahaha fuck me side ways
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: zappaisgod]
#22285923 - 09/24/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The UN is a joke. Always has been. I think Libya led this panel once. Just go away and get the fuck out of my town.
This. It has only ever acted as a rubber stamp for US policies, but this one is beyond comprehension. It's fucking useless and a joke.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: bukkake]
#22286281 - 09/24/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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bukkake said: It has only ever acted as a rubber stamp for US policies
Again, The entire purpose of the U.N. is to maintain the respective spheres of influence for the permanent security council members
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa]
#22286300 - 09/24/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the world is doomed with each and every step closer to destruction, let's parley.
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: akira_akuma]
#22286320 - 09/24/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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isn't it funny how nuclear proliferation has been accompanied by a corresponding proliferation of unconventional(guerrilla) warfare?
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Re: Saudi Arabia 'chosen to head key UN human rights panel' [Re: ballsalsa]
#22286343 - 09/24/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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instead of wanting to agree people want to disagree. get along, nah, my life needs THE WORLD, so die.
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