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    #22277565 - 09/23/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have 2 species I believe  but I am more curious about the bigger rounder not the one I think is a lib , the first one I believe to be a lib cap as I found these all in the same field as my last ID request I was curious to just get conformation and find out what this other species is

Habitat:
these two species were found in the same field growing in soil , in the West Midlands


Gills:
The gills of the species are a grey complexion mixed with light brown / white


Stem:
the stem of the larger shroom is a lot firmer and thicker compared to the other "lib cap" what I believe to be , it has a smooth complexion , fading from tan to white towards the cap

Cap:
the cap is a lot smoother compared to the other species and is a grey colour with a brown faded top it appears a lot rounder and more bubbly shaped it s very round compared to a more smurf looking shroom



Spore print color:
the spore print is jet black , compared to the smaller what looks like a lib caps fainter blue / purple



Bruising:
No bruising noticed

Other information:
I did not find these growing in clusters only by them self and they do not appear to be sticky when picked


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70] * 1
    #22278274 - 09/23/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If they were growing from dung they are Panaeolus papilionaceus, if growing from grass they are Panaeolus acuminatus.  Either way they are edible and not active.

BTW there are no toxic mushrooms with black spore prints.  Unless you drink alcohol & have a Coprinopsis.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22278396 - 09/23/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dont look active


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22278565 - 09/23/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The one to the right of the twenty-pence piece looks like one to me.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22278585 - 09/23/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isent it supposed to bruise blue??


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22278610 - 09/23/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Isent it supposed to bruise blue??




Not necessarily. I read that it is psilocin that causes blue staining and liberty caps contain much higher levels of psilocybin than psilocin. That could be bullshit, of course, it's just something I remember reading.

What isn't bullshit, is that the large majority of liberty caps that I've found, haven't bruised blue at all.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22278710 - 09/23/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm wouldent know about libs but not all of the mushrooms he has are the same i can see the hooded look on one but if they where libs wouldent there be more then just a single?


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22278743 - 09/23/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm wouldent know about libs but not all of the mushrooms he has are the same i can see the hooded look on one but if they where libs wouldent there be more then just a single?




Not necessarily. You will normally find several growing near each other but not in what I'd call clusters, and they can camouflage themselves quite well in grass, especially medium length grass that is starting to turn yellow.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22278766 - 09/23/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm sounds like he sould start digging a little deeper. If u 100% believe its active


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22278773 - 09/23/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well it's just one shot from one angle, but if it is, then there're likely to be more there.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22278787 - 09/23/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed he should probably separate the suspected lib and get a print and some better shots


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22278976 - 09/23/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



All the mushrooms I have posted as well in my previous ID request are all from the same field , I have done multiple laps and I have found a few being to come up but I'm going to give it another few weeks depending on weather as I believe more will be there , the picture above I believe to all be lib caps


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279019 - 09/23/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All the mushrooms I have posted as well in my previous ID request are all from the same field , I have done multiple laps and I have found a few being to come up but I'm going to give it another few weeks depending on weather as I believe more will be there , the picture above I believe to all be lib caps




They all look plausible. You should not try to fit them all in a single picture -- take 5 or 6 pictures so that we can see them closer up.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22279052 - 09/23/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im not currently at home but I have this photo saved on here of one of them , on my previous post somebody confirmed that they were all libs , but I can take some close ups when I get home , I only have this one I removed the cap on the left and got rid as it was believed to be an imposter



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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279057 - 09/23/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Im not currently at home but I have this photo saved on here of one of them , on my previous post somebody confirmed that they were all libs , but I can take some close ups when possible I only have this one I removed the cap on the left and got rid as it was believed to be an imposter






Those are most definitely them. The one on the left could have just been natural variation, but you're in possession of the mushrooms, so you can probably tell more easily.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22279064 - 09/23/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Middle is most deffinatly a lib cap? , or left is most deffinatly a imposter , I just took the mind set of get rid of anything I wasn't sure of


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279071 - 09/23/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Middle is most deffinatly a lib cap? , or left is most deffinatly a imposter , I just took the mind set of get rid of anything I wasn't sure of




The middle and right ones are libs, the one on the left may be, but if you're not sure, it's best to play safe.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22279138 - 09/23/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that's what I was thinking , il be sure to get some close ups of what I have so you guys can see closer instead of the huge photo of em all haha


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279147 - 09/23/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful i wish i had a field with cows i could just walk up to and not get trespassing charges..


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279156 - 09/23/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah that's what I was thinking , il be sure to get some close ups of what I have so you guys can see closer instead of the huge photo of em all haha




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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22279182 - 09/23/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly from reading posts on here I feel very lucky to be able to go out on my first pick and find so many! I live in a rural area and there are a lot of public footpaths so it's just a matter of finding the right fields  these are the type of footpaths.. Can't complain about the scenery




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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22279531 - 09/23/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Haha cant complain!


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22282296 - 09/24/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Some fresh believed to be libs from the same field collected this morning




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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22282345 - 09/24/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Some fresh believed to be libs from the same field collected this morning







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They're the ones.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22282411 - 09/24/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

they are sprouting all around my house as I live out in the sticks it's like Christmas come early :smile:!


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22282557 - 09/24/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The one to the right of the twenty-pence piece looks like one to me.



:whathesaid: The one to right of the 20p coin is a Lib


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22282864 - 09/24/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm currently doing a spore print of ones I picked today but they are appearing dark but not blue rather a black / brown it's hard to tell as they could be young and not mature they have been sitting for around 3 hours *confused* have to leave em over night :/


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22283356 - 09/24/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All the mushrooms I have posted as well in my previous ID request are all from the same field , I have done multiple laps and I have found a few being to come up but I'm going to give it another few weeks depending on weather as I believe more will be there , the picture above I believe to all be lib caps




i see one lib there thats bruising intense blue! never seen that from pictures before. the fat one in the bottom-middle left sidish


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: nexxone]
    #22283520 - 09/24/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I will try and find it out and get a better photo! , is this an indication of higher Psilocybin? Due to an intense blue staining?


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22283533 - 09/24/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Higher amount of psilocin. Its what causes bruising in species much like my fresh baeos


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22283658 - 09/24/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My libs I collected today are from the same field as all the other libs I collected exactly the same but I did a spore print and they came out like this? I was expecting black / blue? But these appear brown... Isn't a brown spore print considered poisonous ?



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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: LTspendIT]
    #22283663 - 09/24/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also nice :smile:


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22283701 - 09/24/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i bleieve lib prins can be brown to purple, i have never found or delt with libs yet.. but your print looks good to me


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: nexxone]
    #22284101 - 09/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's quite hard to see the caps that are being printed from that top-down view.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22284259 - 09/24/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



The ones being printed are the very right one in the right pile and the 2nd one being printed is the furthest right in the left pile , it may just be me being a bit cautious as I was expecting a bluer / purple tinted print :smile:


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22284361 - 09/24/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The ones being printed are the very right one in the right pile and the 2nd one being printed is the furthest right in the left pile , it may just be me being a bit cautious as I was expecting a bluer / purple tinted print :smile:




Well all of the ones in that picture are liberty caps.


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22284387 - 09/24/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah the spore prints are starting to appear a bit more of a blue tint now as time is going on! , think I'm all set , going to pick again tomorrow as there is more every time I go! : )


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: elprawn]
    #22287190 - 09/25/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I found some libs today in the same field , it's come to be a part of my routine when walking the dog haha , these libs are pretty big compared to what I have been finding usually and with some pretty big stems on the bottom? Never seen that in the last few days anybody got any information on why the "bulb" on the bottom pictures to follow


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Re: Mushroom ID ( suspected libs and unknown) [Re: Kbb70]
    #22287241 - 09/25/15 06:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet Libs man :mushroom2:


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    #22287262 - 09/25/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cheers bro! Just gotta get the babies dried out


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