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Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy
    #22277256 - 09/23/15 01:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So the other day I was thinking about the people I hate and wishing death upon them.  Now don't get all hippy-dippy!  Fuck you, you've wanted people dead before, and if you haven't then we have nothing to talk about.  It's all just fantasy anyway.  My murderous fantasies are hardly fleshed out in any graphic detail, let alone anywhere near becoming a reality.  I'm just saying hypothetically, and superficially.  In those times in your day when you suddenly think, "I wish that person were dead." 

So I was wishing death upon my enemies recently.  But then I got to thinking:  What about their family and loved ones?  I don't wish any harm upon them.  My hated person likely has some decent people that I would like who would be negatively impacted by their death in some way.

My solution was to try to think of a way for the person I hated to die that would minimize the suffering to their loved ones.  Feel free to jump in here with great ways to wish death on people in this way.  Anyway, after several seconds of deep thought on the matter, I landed on liver disease.  Liver disease is an extremely slow, drawn out way to die that is very painful emotionally and physically too at the end.  I figured all this time would give the innocent loved ones time to process the death and move on, to the point where when the person died it would almost be a relief to them.  But that's assuming the person has insurance to cover their extremely expensive medical treatment.   

I want to find a balance between easing the loved one's pain, and making my enemies suffer.  One end of the extreme might be having the person die saving others from a fire or something.  the family would be able to have meaning from the death and feel like they were a hero.  But so would my enemy.  I don't want them to feel awesome right before they die.  I want them to suffer psychologically. 

I suppose my ideals about killing people and loved ones also relies on my worldview of being an atheist.  I don't think people get afterlives or rebirths or any of that BS.  When they die they are just gone in the sense that their molecules stop relating to each other in the same way and disperse and their brain stops functioning of course which leads to simply oblivion.  I'm not really interested in ways of killing people that take into account the possibility of some supernatural, spiritual, or religious dogma being true. 

What do you think?  When you wish people were dead do you ever think about their families?  Do you wish death upon the family as well?  I suppose in olden times it used to be part of defeating your enemy to enslave their families and destroy their entire cultures.  I guess I've just never hated anyone that much.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22277267 - 09/23/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Out of sight, out of mind. If person not seen, how do you not know person isn't dead?


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #22277281 - 09/23/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The likelihood that they are dead is relatively low, unless there is some reason to believe they are at great risk of dying soon.  So it's safe to assume most of your enemies are living still. 

It's about the satisfaction of resolution of death.  Whatever reason anyone hates the person is mitigated by the fact that they are dead and gone forever.  The emotions become far more meaningless, and are easier to deal with and put it behind me.  I've won at life literally, because I am still alive and they are dead mwahahahah.

But yes, valid point you have.  Death is usually not necessary to get over hate.  That is so fucking reasonable of you, *imagines you dying right now*


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22277327 - 09/23/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fireworks could explode someone and be sparkly enough to distract loved ones from the grief


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: muckamuck]
    #22277378 - 09/23/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My uncle disappeared in a giant firework explosion.  No one ever heard from him again, but I'm pretty sure he didn't die.  I think he went off to visit the elves.  He left me his house and all his belongings including his beloved ring.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus] * 1
    #22278249 - 09/23/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbdown: !


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus] * 1
    #22278345 - 09/23/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not being hippy-dippy when I say these kind of thoughts don't cross my mind.  If I think someone wrongs me, I remove myself from their presence and that's that.  I don't waste my time thinking about them afterwards.  You sound like a major creep to actually fantasize about a slow death for someone you dislike. :thumbdown:


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22279216 - 09/23/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: oh yeah, having someone you care for die in a painful and protracted way certainly wouldn't cause any suffering.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22279324 - 09/23/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think your only hope is to find a way to annihilate the entire planet simultaneously and by surprise, maybe by hurling a very large object from space.

But you could save the person you hate on your spaceship, tell them you just killed everyone they care for, and then kick them in the nuts/other.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #22280297 - 09/23/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We can always just wish someone dead...but why not wish to remove the negative qualities from that person instead..

SO in that way you obey the standard laws of compassion and rites to live..
and then you become more precise in your knowledge too..


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22288208 - 09/25/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You create a serious karmic load by wishing death or destruction whether in a magickal or a Buddhist idiom. Wishing someone a peaceful death is an entirely different issue. Wishing them to die, peacefully or not, incurs a karmic debt. Such an ill-desire is inimical in every world religion. I have wished for people to move away, even performing some Crowlean Egyptian magickal posture, and they did move, only it took another 4 years. :lol: But wishing some skank-ass neighbor to die is a thought I would check and reject as soon as it registered in consciousness. Probably make a quick prayer for forgiveness to help eradicate any subconscious or unconscious impressions left behind.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #22288314 - 09/25/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You create a serious karmic load by wishing death or destruction whether in a magickal or a Buddhist idiom. Wishing someone a peaceful death is an entirely different issue. Wishing them to die, peacefully or not, incurs a karmic debt. Such an ill-desire is inimical in every world religion.



Wishing Whole of humanity to die because of their idiomatic lack of desire to perform "magickal" help onwards African children suffering from the worst illnesses possible is Karmic Load? OK GOT IT.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: liquidlounge]
    #22289127 - 09/25/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
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MarkostheGnostic said:
You create a serious karmic load by wishing death or destruction whether in a magickal or a Buddhist idiom. Wishing someone a peaceful death is an entirely different issue. Wishing them to die, peacefully or not, incurs a karmic debt. Such an ill-desire is inimical in every world religion.



Wishing Whole of humanity to die because of their idiomatic lack of desire to perform "magickal" help onwards African children suffering from the worst illnesses possible is Karmic Load? OK GOT IT.




Sorry, I don't even know how to decipher this protracted string of words, but it isn't a sentence, or a question despite the punctuation, so I cannot respond to it. :shrug:


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22289837 - 09/25/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

whaddid they say to you?
:dumbass:


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22290688 - 09/25/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22290752 - 09/25/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you think?  When you wish people were dead do you ever think about their families?  Do you wish death upon the family as well?  I suppose in olden times it used to be part of defeating your enemy to enslave their families and destroy their entire cultures.  I guess I've just never hated anyone that much.





I think you should watch some mafia movies. This sounds a lot like taking someone out because it has to be done, and sending gifts to their loved ones.
No one wants to cause suffering, but business is business.  :minigun:


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Tropism]
    #22291778 - 09/26/15 04:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:strokebeard:

That reminds me of the US policy of paying off families of those bystanders killed in our wars.  I believe there is an official dollar amount for people of different regions and types etc.  Those people weren't killed on purpose though, but the idea that it's still all just business in killing people remains.


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Re: Wishing death on your enemies, but with compassion and empathy [Re: Hippocampus]
    #22291971 - 09/26/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you don't understand the concept of "collateral damage", then perhaps you need to go to boot camp and learn to be a killer first, and a lover second.  "This is my weapon, this is my gun."


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