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anxiety/fear from DMT come up
#22277175 - 09/23/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So tonight I was able to get ahold of some freebase DMT. I have been overly excited about this for the past week when I first found out I would soon be able to travel back into hyperspace after a 2 year absence. After I picked up the DMT I went to my friends house to blast off. Sadly we had to use a bong and use ash as a bed for the deems to lay on. I loaded on a nickel sized bit of the crystals.
I let my friend go first and I helped hold the bong and lighter then after he was done I hit it myself. Now it had been about 2 years since my last experiences with DMT and they were amazing to say the least. I did experience a lot of fear and anxiety for the first 60 seconds or so. And again tonight I had the same fear and anxiety. So I was wondering if anyone else experiences this extreme fear/anxiety when blasting off?
It only last about 60 seconds, once I reach hyperspace my mood is completely calm. I did freak out for a second because I didn't feel I was attached to my body anymore. Also found myself forgetting to breathe. I think that was because I felt disconnected from my physical body. Anyways, has anyone else experienced this? And do you have a way of calming yourself when it happens?
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22277283 - 09/23/15 01:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pre flight gitters is all. I still get them almost every time and i have been experimenting with DMT for many years, in all its forms.
Edit: And ya sometimes i come out of a breakthrough, and feel like i hadn't taken a breath the entire 15 or so minutes.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22277288 - 09/23/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea. Standing in the batters box waiting for the pitcher to throw the ball be high nerve activity.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: WhoManBeing]
#22277293 - 09/23/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's definitely a very very weird feeling.
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Being already high on a psych like LSD or shrooms or 4-aco-met or any other psych I guess ,makes it easier, smoother transition . Instead of going from 0-100 your going from like 50-100.
Hitting nitrous instead of your 3rd toke makes it a lot easier also, but it's different,hits you way faster like a matter of second, no time to think ,would go as far I say it makes dmt a recreational thing
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Very true. When I smoked dmt on LSD it was a much more easier come up. I almost think I'm going to save the majority of my dmt for when I'm tripping. It added a really good vibe to my trip which I could actually hold on to and remember
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Really? I would've thought dmt while already tripping would just amplify that anxiety feeling on the come up. Hmmm I still have a few hits left, might have to try that out. Whens the best time to blast off during the trip? Peak? Or say 5-6 hours in when the trip is a bit more managable?
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22278104 - 09/23/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have the money, get some Lemon Balm oil.
Use it in a small space as aromatherapy and then...
Put really hot water into your bong (prewarm the bong under hot water) and then put a few drops of Lemon Balm oil into the water.
Take your hits, should help significantly.
Also CBD goes well with anything.
Also I strongly believe melatonin can positively impact tryptamines. Take 5mg 2 hours before your dose.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: QT3BFLEE]
#22278125 - 09/23/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did a teeny dose last night out of a dab rig just for threshold and even though i knew id hardly feel much i got so jittery and nervous. (Especially as it was only my second experience wIth dmt)
It was nice though, super euphoric and calm, but man that comeup can be kinda scary. Its not even because you fear a bad trip, you just know how astonishing and mind-blowing beyond words its gonna be.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: EnemaOfState]
#22278245 - 09/23/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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EnemaOfState said: Did a teeny dose last night out of a dab rig just for threshold and even though i knew id hardly feel much i got so jittery and nervous. (Especially as it was only my second experience wIth dmt)
It was nice though, super euphoric and calm, but man that comeup can be kinda scary. Its not even because you fear a bad trip, you just know how astonishing and mind-blowing beyond words its gonna be.
Yes that's how I feel. Its not a fear of bad trip but rather a fear of being launched an thrown into some an alternate reality so quickly.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: EnemaOfState]
#22278338 - 09/23/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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EnemaOfState said: Did a teeny dose last night out of a dab rig just for threshold and even though i knew id hardly feel much i got so jittery and nervous. (Especially as it was only my second experience wIth dmt)
It was nice though, super euphoric and calm, but man that comeup can be kinda scary. Its not even because you fear a bad trip, you just know how astonishing and mind-blowing beyond words its gonna be.
Yep cause it going to rock your Shit! I do feel the trans easier on LSD or any other Psyche chem.But DeemZ & LSD go really well together. Depends on how deep the LSD trip is and at what ug? but yeah 100ug trip plus some deemz is Nice!  
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22278807 - 09/23/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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phishindub said: Really? I would've thought dmt while already tripping would just amplify that anxiety feeling on the come up. Hmmm I still have a few hits left, might have to try that out. Whens the best time to blast off during the trip? Peak? Or say 5-6 hours in when the trip is a bit more managable?
Yea but when you blast off while tripping it's easier because your mind has already been adjusted to the psychedelic state a little bit rather than going from stone cold sober to high as holy hell. The trips just as intense if not more it's just the anxiety on the come up is gone for me. I ramp up to the experience on LSD compared to being sober I'm just slammed right there really really fast and hard
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22279066 - 09/23/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never used to have much or any anxiety before smoking dmt or during the initial flash....but ever since I had my one and only panic/anxiety attack while tripping on mushrooms last winter, since then I've had some lingering general anxiety and it certainly comes to the surface when I'm sitting there in my dark and silent closet, with the pipe in my hand.
I concur with what others have mentioned....Smoking it while already tripping (LSD, or mushrooms, or mescaline) makes for absolutely no pre-flight anxiety and a much easier transition for me.....There's literally no fear/anxiety going into it when I'm already off-baseline.
But when I want to dabble with some of the stuff when I'm not on a psychedelic.....Smoking some syrian rue before smoking dmt provides a nice tranquil and calm headspace, has somewhat of an anti-anxiety effect about it, it mellows me into a mildly-psychedelic stoned space, and I'm going into it with out being 100% sober at baseline. It also slows down the rapid come up, and slows down the experience in general.
And kratom....I take kratom just about every day as it is, but if I plan on smoking some dmt I'll sometimes take some kratom about an hour before smoking it. As far as anti-anxiety substances go, I prefer kratom over alcohol or benzos (for me, kratom mellows anxiety without dulling or numbing the mind much like alcohol or benzos will).
And I also go into my smoked-DMT experiences like a meditation...I take at least 3 to 5 minutes to just sit down on the ground with legs crossed and pipe in my hands, eyes closed, with a silent mind & no thoughts, just following my breathe....and I focus on & follow my breathe into the experience.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: openmind]
#22279497 - 09/23/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meditation is definitely a great way to ease the mind.
One user suggested playing intense Progressive or Psy-trance Music right before toking DMT. I could imagine that would be an easier transistion as the intense psychedelic music "primes" your brain for the ultra fast, intense experience of toking DMT.
Also, Bill has done shrooms then DMT and said its the best transition Ever. super smooth from shrooms to DMT (as they are chemical similar anyway).
He recommends during the peark of a shroom trip, to smoke DMT. That wa, u are already half way there
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: openmind]
#22279556 - 09/23/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I definitely understand how kratom would help calm the nerves before a dmt experience. But as I am coming up on 2 years sober from all opiates kratom would bring me a step in the wrong direction. I have heard about syrian rue but I'm not completely sure what it is. I've also heard a bit of mullien helps with this anxiety I'm speaking of. Has anyone had experience with it? I am also trying to figure out the best vaping method for my next blast off this evening. Any suggestions?
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22279634 - 09/23/15 04:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer using a microtorch with a healthstone, inside a glass bong.
How do usually vape it?
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Well I've only had a handful of experiences and Ive just used the herb dmt herb in a normal pipe method. It has definitely gotten the job done. But as I now have a decent quantity I have been looking for a proper dmt vape/setup. Has anyone ever used a vapor genie for dmt? I have heard it works really well. I had also thought about using an oil burner but I feel if I'm going to spend money for a setup I may as well get a better quality pipe/vape.
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phishindub said: Really? I would've thought dmt while already tripping would just amplify that anxiety feeling on the come up. Hmmm I still have a few hits left, might have to try that out. Whens the best time to blast off during the trip? Peak? Or say 5-6 hours in when the trip is a bit more managable?
Yea but when you blast off while tripping it's easier because your mind has already been adjusted to the psychedelic state a little bit rather than going from stone cold sober to high as holy hell. The trips just as intense if not more it's just the anxiety on the come up is gone for me. I ramp up to the experience on LSD compared to being sober I'm just slammed right there really really fast and hard
This.
Ive been urging people on here for years to never smoke DMT unless you are already tripping(if you have massive pre-flight jitters like myself)
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22281333 - 09/23/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In saving almost all my dmt for tripping. It's amazing while sober but just too much for me at times. On psychedelics I can't wait to hit the dmt pipe over and over haha last wayyy longer while you're tripping too
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Rebelutionsssss said: In saving almost all my dmt for tripping. It's amazing while sober but just too much for me at times. On psychedelics I can't wait to hit the dmt pipe over and over haha last wayyy longer while you're tripping too
Yup.
My best DMT trip came from smoking it while on mushrooms. Literally met God
after that I promised myself I would never smoke dmt by itself again. like you said, its just too much going from totally sober to dmt hyperspace.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22282220 - 09/24/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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it is Super Heavy, The Afterglow almost worth it though...but yeah I could see that on lower doses but heroic dose and DMT X1000 yeah, that's why I dabble in that headspace while im in it. DMT is quiet the roller coaster...
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: superbob57]
#22282285 - 09/24/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anybody tried inhaling nitrous after smoking dmt? Like you keep a ballon in your hand ,and instead of the third hit ,or after the third hit you inhale the ballon?
For me it has been one of the most recreational experience with dmt , it's like it dumbs you down so much you can't think you just live the moment to the fullest ,plus it hits you so fast supress the comeup completly for me . Really enjoyable experience overall
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No but that sounds extremely had to do when you're blasting off. I can't even sit up straight and tend to fall over when I'm leaving this universe let alone handle a fucking balloon
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lol
Yea I can't imagine doing anything else besides hitting the pipe.
As soon as I exhale, I tend to just lay down and close my eyes.
I do get anxiety though before I go in. Which leads to me not smoking that often. But i'm starting to get more into the idea of ayahuasca just because the freebase is really intense and quick, it would be nice to be able to explore more.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: Big Worm]
#22283263 - 09/24/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I admit taking it after the third hit is kinda pushing it, but really it's not that hard everything is in the technic and in the speed of execution you still have a 1min time frame before completly losing it , can be easier if you have someone to Heat the deemz while you inhale. So like you're holding the bong with left hand , ballon in right hand . Take 2-3 hits and even if the imagerie started and you feel heavy and synesthesia coming on ,you just force yourself and do it . It's not comfortable but really it's not that hard
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Rebelutionsssss said: No but that sounds extremely had to do when you're blasting off. I can't even sit up straight and tend to fall over when I'm leaving this universe let alone handle a fucking balloon 
Yea definitely agree, I've tried to breakthrough on my own but haven't been able to without someone to hold the pipe an lighter for me. After the second hit everything gets really visual.
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I get it.
I just smoke out of a machine, so I only take one slow hit and i'm gone.
I only have time for my first exhale and that's it, then I can't really function and need to remind myself to breathe.
It's already so intense I couldn't see myself needing a balloon with it.
And I am usually trying to push things outside the boundaries when it comes to psychedelics, but DMT is too much sometimes even by itself.
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Jean-guy Masta said: Well I admit taking it after the third hit is kinda pushing it, but really it's not that hard everything is in the technic and in the speed of execution you still have a 1min time frame before completly losing it , can be easier if you have someone to Heat the deemz while you inhale. So like you're holding the bong with left hand , ballon in right hand . Take 2-3 hits and even if the imagerie started and you feel heavy and synnedthesia coming on ,you just force yourself and do it . It's not comfortable but really it's not that hard
dmt comeups are hard but it part of the experience. like for me who loves tattoos, you shouldnt get one if you wont put up with the pain.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: Big Worm]
#22283434 - 09/24/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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im not doing it only for the comeup ,the whole experience is different with the nitrous.
also ime lighting up and inhaling a bong after 2 hits is harder then simply inhaling a ballon.
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Big Worm said: I just smoke out of a machine, so I only take one slow hit and i'm gone. .
of course hits are subjective , you could have a more potent single hit then 3 weak hits. depends on the amount of dmt vapor per hits. me saying 2-3 hits then a ballon is subjective. with a good technic and a good smoking engine and a good amount of deemz 1 hit is enough.
all in all im just sayin mixin nitrous and DMT is fun and the comeup to OBE is instant
also its not as intense as one would assume DMT plus nitrous is, really got to try it to see.really i feel like it makes the experience smoother ,less time for questions just pure psychedelic pleasure
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: phishindub]
#22284305 - 09/24/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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phishindub said: .....I have heard about syrian rue but I'm not completely sure what it is. I've also heard a bit of mullien helps with this anxiety I'm speaking of. Has anyone had experience with it? I am also trying to figure out the best vaping method for my next blast off this evening. Any suggestions?
Mullein won't do a damn thing for anxiety....I've worked with it over the years for smoking blends and for smoking dmt on, and never noticed any sort of anxiolytic effect from it...I've never heard about this aspect of mullein from anyone else, and I'm not aware of any active component in mullein that would provide an anxiolytic effect.
Do some research on syrian rue if you don't know what it is or how to go about working with it. I'm not going to go in depth when information about it can be found easily. But syrian rue contains the harmala alkaloids which are the same actives found within the ayahuasca vine (though in different ratios). It is a reversible MAOI and has it's own psychoactivity as well. It has terrific synergy with the classic psychedelics, but it pairs very well with tryptamines in particular. It can potentiate as well as pro-long a trip, but at the same time it makes the experience more grounded and tranquil IME....
It slows down my dmt experiences and makes the whole thing much easier to process and take in....
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: openmind]
#22284343 - 09/24/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And in regards to nitrous with dmt.....I love nitrous when I'm on LSD, or Mushrooms, or mescaline, or MDMA. The only times I inhale it is when I'm on one of those substances . And my "peak" experiences have been catalyzed by nitrous while on LSD.
....but the few times I've inhaled it after smoking light to moderate amounts of dmt, or during the comedown/afterglow of smoked dmt, I didn't like it at all. It totally washed me out of the dmt headspace I was in, shifted my headspace and just completely cut me off from what the dmt had going on.
On one occasion there was a gorgeous feminine entity (similar in appearance to a hindu goddess) dancing around in front of my POV, as soon as I inhaled the nitrous I lost view/contact with her and the visuals became all muddled and not nearly as interesting/intricate as what I had going on prior to inhaling the nitrous.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: openmind]
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I agree with Jean-guy Masta, inhaling from a balloon is not that difficult. I vape my DMT in a volcano and specifically enjoy being able to hold the bag of vapors and not worry about fumbling a lighter and glass. I can be leaning back with eyes closed, 3 hits deep, and still have the muscle memory to bring my hand to mouth and inhale. Sometimes minutes go by that feel like hours and I suddenly realize I'm still sitting there with the bag in my hand and am able to continue another hit to be pulled back in. Never tried nitrous so I can't comment on how that would compliment the trip, but balloon / bag inhalation is a wonderful and easy technique.
I also second Openmind's comments - Mullein is notable for helping throat discomfort, but never heard of it being used for anxiety. It's a good, fluffy base for changa though, which as Openmind pointed out, changa is a more gradual DMT experience that you can step into rather than dive into. Probably what the OP should try next.
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: openmind]
#22284969 - 09/24/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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openmind said: ....but the few times I've inhaled it after smoking light to moderate amounts of dmt, or during the comedown/afterglow of smoked dmt, I didn't like it at all. It totally washed me out of the dmt headspace I was in, shifted my headspace and just completely cut me off from what the dmt had going on.
On one occasion there was a gorgeous feminine entity (similar in appearance to a hindu goddess) dancing around in front of my POV, as soon as I inhaled the nitrous I lost view/contact with her and the visuals became all muddled and not nearly as interesting/intricate as what I had going on prior to inhaling the nitrous. -OM
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cant talk about on the comedown or light dose only did it on pretty good dose but I totally agree in the sense that it completly change the headspace, it sends you in another realm, its less majestic, it dumbs is down. its less paterny and more thingy and twisted . like i feel like a kid in a front of a tv and the more the images changes and the more my mind is twisted and the more fun i get out of it.
this video would be the closest thing i could compare to the visual of the trip. fast clear imagery constantly changing , lots of 3D multi color liquid every time. also the connection with the body is really non existant i dont even bother about breathing im just not there its like a dream.
never felt entity with nitrous tho, only on straight DMT i have seen and felt the presence of an inteligent thing. like a clown in incredible patterns ,and feminine "godess" made of geometric space grid like, DMT alone makes more sense and seems to have story line to an extend.
not saying with nitrous its better, its different, funnier in a way, dmt alone is more serious and grandiose
Edited by Jean-guy Masta (09/24/15 06:14 PM)
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Re: anxiety/fear from DMT come up [Re: Icon]
#22286152 - 09/24/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What temperatures do you vape at?
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Try calming your mind before you go in. You just need to relax listen to some shamim music and mediate when you feel right and have prepared your mind it will make the trip so much better. It's easy just focus on breathing in and out and think of the serpents that great you (or whatever you rember the most strongly from the part where your leaving) it puts you in the best mind state to revive the medicine. Don't just toke it relax and think deeply then you will be fine. The more respect you have for DMT the more it respects you by showing you things. Just try and do it as proficainal as possible I'm sure it will be fine.
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TheGreenArrow said: What temperatures do you vape at?
@ 420 f
It will vape at a much lower temperature but the higher temps still hit smooth and fill more potent bags.
Edited by Icon (09/25/15 02:28 AM)
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