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Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home
#22277078 - 09/22/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Marijuana is a sticky subject. Twenty-three states (and D.C) have legalized some form of medical use, but possession, growth and distribution are still illegal in the majority of the United States.
However, as is the case with most new industries, slow regulation hasn’t stopped innovation.
Leaf, a TechCrunch Disrupt SF 2015 Battlefield company, is leading the revolution with its automated “Plug N’ Plant” home growing system. Leaf’s device is a 4′ x 2′ box that will fit two plants, which will yield between 4-5 ounces of weed.

However, Leaf is much more than just a mini grow house. The system will monitor everything that your plants need to grow, including light, ventilation, nutrient levels and pH of the soil.
The system will also react to these measurements, meaning that if it senses that your plants are low on nutrients it can dispense more, or if it needs more light it can automatically brighten the environment. Users can also control these variables manually, effectively creating their own grow “recipes.”
This is all controlled from Leaf’s iPhone app, which will also serve as a social network for users to exchange recipes and share videos of their plants.
To do this, Leaf has incorporated a built-in HD camera, which will automatically create time lapses and even let users access a live stream of their (or their friends’) grow.
Leaf has received a strategic investment from Advanced Nutrients, a major player in the cannabis nutrient space. The company will be supplying Leaf with nutrients that they will put inside individual, disposable pods, allowing nutrients to be replaced like an ink cartridge in a printer.

However, this technology comes at a cost. The device will retail for $1,499, which makes it much more expensive than simply growing your plant in the ground. However, the company says that the machine will technically pay for itself after just a few months, as the “retail value” of 4-5 ounces (one growth cycle) is around $1,200.
Additionally, each grow will cost about $150 in nutrient cartridges and carbon filter refills. However, co-founder and CEO Yoni Ofir said that eventually the company hopes to drop the price of the actual device and generate its primary revenue from refills (à la Keurig).
Today, the company is opening up preorders of its device. Leaf will be available to users with a medicinal card in any of the 23 states that allow medical marijuana, as well as in the four states where marijuana is currently legal.
Customers can put down a $100 deposit to be the first to receive a Leaf when it ships in summer 2016.
Pretty interesting, too bad it will cost so much.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22277339 - 09/23/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds pretty damn bomb. I'd buy it if I could. Hope the price drops to something decently reasonable though.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22277455 - 09/23/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pretty sweet. I just hate how they make it so you have to keep giving them money through buying new carts each grow. Why couldnt they make them so you could refill yourself? Like with anything else, greedy son of bitches.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Mental Taco]
#22277462 - 09/23/15 04:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's probably because it requires special cartridges and chemicals for the hydroponics. This was obviously made for people who don't know exactly what they need(or don't wanna learn) about the nutrients required.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22277506 - 09/23/15 05:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn life keeps getting easier for those lucky fucks in the medical states. They can already grow weed or buy it from a store anytime and now they don't even have to lift a finger to grow it.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22277828 - 09/23/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome, someone stole my idea to the fucking letter.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
#22279944 - 09/23/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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weed's is a pretty hardy plant, i'd be interested in it if it was silent when the doors were closed though
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22282135 - 09/24/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How lazy do you have to be to spent $1.5k on this? With that kind of money you can set up a decent sized room with 1000 watt lights... If you are that lazy just buy your weed.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: fapjack]
#22282211 - 09/24/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1.5K for a decent sized room? More like 10-15K for a well set up decent sized room...
I am sure you could do it for less but nice setups take a lot of money. "Leaf" is definitely taxed but as it says in the article, use it to grow 5~ ounces and sell them and bam, you made your money back almost I would never buy one unless I had a ton of money and was curious, which I am. But I am not rich 
Anyways the whole point of it is to be able to grow your own very easily... If people just wanted to buy weed they would
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22282526 - 09/24/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most commercial "weed lockers" are even more expensive, and probably nowhere near as good. This looks awesome
....if you have the money for one of these. Its probably similar to the whole mushy grow kit thing, but this looks like a very good grow kit (like if you found a mono that waters itself, has fanning and ventilation, no need for anything at all external. And substrate control - too little moisture? Weight not right? Bacteria detected? Automatic watering. FAE too low? Auto air exchange when needed, maybe a way to bottom-water and let the water out conveniently, etc)
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Fractal420]
#22284124 - 09/24/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it is pretty sweet, I really dig the whole "recipe" idea too...
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22284542 - 09/24/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love the future.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Peachette]
#22284680 - 09/24/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I concur 
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
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musiclover420 said: 1.5K for a decent sized room? More like 10-15K for a well set up decent sized room...
I am sure you could do it for less but nice setups take a lot of money. "Leaf" is definitely taxed but as it says in the article, use it to grow 5~ ounces and sell them and bam, you made your money back almost I would never buy one unless I had a ton of money and was curious, which I am. But I am not rich 
Anyways the whole point of it is to be able to grow your own very easily... If people just wanted to buy weed they would 
What the hell are you spending $15k on? You can get 2 1000 watt light set ups with bulbs and ballasts for under a grand. Mylar isn't that expensive, a few timers, a couple power strips, a couple of fans and you are good to go. You can spend more money and get more shit, but it isn't needed. I've seen people do 3 pounds in a cycle grow ops that cost under $1500 to set up. If you don't mind using miracle grow, soil and energy are really your only significant cost. People love to bitch about miracle grow, but it works great and it's cheap. No one notices either.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: fapjack]
#22285561 - 09/24/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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doesn't "miracle" grow have some fertilizer in it that gets stuck to tobbacco and causes radiation cancer?
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Konyap]
#22285921 - 09/24/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You cook the veggies you eat that are grown with the same types of fertilizer. I mean if you want to go all organic go ahead, but I don't see how there is much difference.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: fapjack]
#22286737 - 09/25/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lights, fans, air filters, ballasts, wood to actually build the grow room, materials to seal in the grow room.
Then you have to buy all the soil for the whole cycle, depending on the size of room and pots that alone can be a couple hundred + a cycle.
Then there is fertilizers, you can use miracle grow but that is ghetto. Quality fertilizers are not cheap and will be another couple hundred for the cycle.
2 lights sounds like a small room, I am used to seeing 4-8 at least. With a quality ballast for each light. A nice air filter is not cheap either, then you have to actually buy and connect tubing to set up proper airflow. Depending on your climate/ time of year you may need heating or cooling devices to maintain optimal growth.
One plant can need a ton of stakes to keep upright once things get chunky, big pots are not cheap either. That all comes to mind and I am sure I missed stuff.
I never said you couldn't grow for cheaper, hell outdoor can be free but a quality room is easily 10-15K
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: fapjack]
#22287506 - 09/25/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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fapjack said: How lazy do you have to be to spent $1.5k on this? With that kind of money you can set up a decent sized room with 1000 watt lights... If you are that lazy just buy your weed.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: P-O]
#22288855 - 09/25/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another person misses the point.
Not everyone has the time to set up their own room.
Things like this will make it easy for anyone to grow their own weed.
If they wanted to just buy weed that is what people would do.
Anyways this growbox will have many features a cheap grow room would lack
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22288951 - 09/25/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my day we had the Phototron...and we LIKED it!
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: HelpHub]
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The phototron was another overpriced ripoff.
You can easily set up a grow room for under $1500 depending on how much you do yourself and how much you buy off the shelf. Get 2 x 600w ballasts and reflectors, run you about $500 for that, maybe less. Then pots, ferts, reflective material to put around the grow space, timers, and fans. It should not cost over $1000 really but people go into hydro shops and pay top dollar for stuff.
You could set up your own hydro grow for under $1000, just design and build some of the stuff yourself using stuff out of walmart and home depot. $500 for lights and reflectors and 500 for the rest. $1500 if you go first class and don't do much work setting it up. It should yield an elbow a month. Figure 1200 gm of bud in 3 months from scratch, have a veg area and have stuff to put under the lights soon as the crop is finished. If odor is a concern then buy carbon filters.
For those who just need enough for one or two people, a 400w hps will be more than enough. Probably can set that up for under $500 maybe as low as $250 if you are thrifty. Put it in a closet and get as much out as the $1500 thing with no expensive refills.
If people are that lazy and have money to burn they can just buy their weed. That expensive closet takes some learning and a newbie may lose his first crop or two.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
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It seems like there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Then you would lose a few crops.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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4HO-DMT said: It seems like there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Then you would lose a few crops.
That's right. The lazy person who buys that setup will likely lose out and is better off buying his weed, the do it yourselfer will learn what he needs to know. You can learn a lot going to various websites and reading.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22290021 - 09/25/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weed is a really hardy plant
you would have to be pretty slow to mess that up
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Konyap]
#22290544 - 09/25/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not a bad price... I want one.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: Weed is a really hardy plant
you would have to be pretty slow to mess that up
You would be surprised how many things can go wrong and how many people do mess it up 
This device isn't meant for people to grow a ton of cheap weed, it is for people to grow easy quality bud for personal use.
I don't know why you guys are getting so caught up on that
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
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I like it, can be done much cheaper though but I'd love to have a little set up like that and I rarely smoke except always with mushrooms.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#22292098 - 09/26/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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They don't say how much light is provided. That is a very important factor. A 250w hid would work fine in there, a 150 would produce less bud but would be something. I've seen grow closets for sale before, this is nothing new, just very high in price. 4' high is too short anyway, you have to allow some room for the lights so you will end up with about 2' to 2.5' tall plants which is runty or they will grow into the light and get burned. I give this system a thumbs down.
Buy a decent grow closet if that's what you want. Here is one on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/hydroponic-grow-box
Hydroponic Grow Box Hydroponics Growing System Indoor 6 plants Cash Crop 4.0
$424.00 Buy It Now Free Shipping
Truly a risk free purchase. Both the carbon filter and lock and key type snap locking doors are included. The grow box comes with everything you need to grow including nutrients, both spectrums of bul...
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: I've seen grow closets for sale before, this is nothing new
Really?
You have seen grow closets with sensors that monitor the nutrients being given to the plant, have a built in hd camera for streams and time lapses, has built in nutrient cartridges and lets you use a app on your phone to control it all and make recipes for your plants which you then can share with others on the app?
I would be interested in seeing that product if this one is not the first 
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Buy a decent grow closet if that's what you want. Here is one on ebay
How are you not getting this? This isn't supposed to be some cheap easy way to grow a bunch of weed. It is an easy way for people to grow quality bud for themselves with minimal effort. If people want something cheaper they will look around and find it. This product is marketed at a specific section of cannabis users. People who don't have the time to grow themselves.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
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So you are telling us we need a camera and sensors to grow quality weed? Since this is set up for soil grow, all it can do is administer amounts of water with ferts on a regular schedule. They say not a word about the light source, does it even have one? Do you have any idea how short 4' is when it has to include not only the plant but also the pot and the light plus room under the light since you don't want it touching the plant? When growing in soil you want to make sure the soil is somewhat dry before adding water, not just dump more on every so many hours.
Its too short to grow quality weed, the most you could do is grow a few bonsai plants which will need constant training to keep them super short. $1500 plus shipping and apparently no light source. You are wowed by the nutrient cartridges but it costs $150 per grow, you can buy enough quality nutes to last many grows for that much money.
> It is an easy way for people to grow quality bud for themselves with minimal effort.
How do you know that? You simply drank the kool aid and believed everything the advertising told you. There is not a single review by users. Its not even set up for hydro which is the most efficient way to grow. Lots of luck with a 4' grow cabinet, you may or may not get any bud out of it. Plus they only sell to those with a med card in legal states.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
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Pretty sure its a hydroponic system actually, I don't think it says either way in the article though.

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Its too short to grow quality weed, the most you could do is grow a few bonsai plants which will need constant training to keep them super short. $1500 plus shipping and apparently no light source.

Read the article ffs
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22294347 - 09/26/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I fail to see in the article where a 4' box is going to grow any decent pot. I also don't see any mention of a light source which normally they do talk about.
>The system will monitor everything that your plants need to grow, including light, ventilation, nutrient levels and pH of the soil.
It will tell you when the light is on, when the fan is blowing and how much of the nutes it is dispensing. So what? Have you ever grown weed before? A good grower can look at the plants and see what they need. He does not add water unless the soil is dry, otherwise you get root rot. He does not add nutes unless they need it.
>Pretty sure its a hydroponic system actually, I don't think it says either way in the article though.
"pH of the soil."
There is no room at the top for a decent light, it looks like it relies on flouros for light. Another overpriced phototron.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294457 - 09/26/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: A good grower can look at the plants and see what they need
Yes.... Keyword there "a good grower". This is for people who work 5 days a week and have never grown even a houseplant their whole lives.
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"pH of the soil."
This is a new product, I would not be surprised if they designed it to work either way, would not be very hard 
The point is it does all the things you would normally have to. Things that require experience growing or a lot of research to handle sometimes.
You sound like a broken record man"Overpriced, overpriced, overpriced"...
Alright we get it, don't buy one then problem solved
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22294526 - 09/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will definitely NOT buy one even if I was planning to grow which I'm not. I have done so a long time ago and know what I'm talking about.
>The point is it does all the things you would normally have to
It turns the weak as hell flouros on and off? A timer does that for you. It dispenses liquid but if the grower does not monitor it carefully he will get root root or they will dry out. Quite often plants in the same grow need different amounts of water and ferts, not a one size fits all.
For those newbies thinking about growing I recommend going to a grow site, there are many of them, and read, read, read. Then do a small grow, with bag seeds. Then with the knowledge you have gained, buy a decent setup, either a grow tent, a grow light for your closet or a free standing setup.
Light is probably the most important single factor. Look at that pitiful cabinet and you see it doesn't have decent light. Low light means the plants stretch and since you have almost no room in there, you have plants hitting the top very soon. You could put a panel of led's in the top, that is about the only thing that will give you enough light. Even then you will need to top and train your plants so they don't grow too tall.
You would actually come out better by donation 1500 to a good cause and buying yourself some decent grow equipment. It does not have to be expensive, for one or two people, a couple hundred bucks will get you going. Get a digital ballast or led light.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294560 - 09/26/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You still are not getting this...
This isn't for people who want to get into growing, it is for people who want to grow while minimally dealing with it.
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Users can also control these variables manually, effectively creating their own grow “recipes.”
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users can exchange recipes
Here is all I could find on the light too since that is an important factor:
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Made-for-Cannabis LED Growlight Custom made for Leaf by leading NASA Agricultural Lighting Researchers and tailored specifically for cannabis growth.
I bet it works fine for what is required.
You seem to be assuming a ton of stuff about this product out of a strong desire to dislike it 
Also here is more details on everything it monitors:
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Leaf is a very precisely controlled environment. We monitor and control several important parameters to ensure optimum growth and potency. pH Air Temp Water Level PPM Humidity PAR Water Temp Plant Height
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22294582 - 09/26/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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>You seem to be assuming a ton of stuff about this product out of a strong desire to dislike it 
You are obviously assuming a ton of stuff based on reading an ad for it and wishing it were true. There is no substitute for experience and leaving it up to a machine begs for problems.
>I bet it works fine for what is required.
Why don't you buy one and see?
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294624 - 09/26/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was talking about the light.
I am not assuming anything, except that this product does what it is meant to do.
I never said it will grow the dankest weed ever, or is cost effective.
You are the one bashing everything about it without really knowing any details.
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There is no substitute for experience and leaving it up to a machine begs for problems.
I think investing money to set up a room without experience is bound to cause more problems 
You can manually control many of the machines functions too. There is 0 reason for this not to work, I assume they tried to make it work as well as they could in fact so that they can actually sell it. Why would they make something like this not work decently? Except that you think it is overpriced and won't work of course Also with the shared recipes you can find someone who grew a strain you want really well then just do it the same.
That is pretty cool and will help people who have no idea what they are doing...
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22294919 - 09/26/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think, you believe, you assume, all without experience or knowledge. Fine, do it and find out the hard way. I'm done, you can have the last word.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294974 - 09/26/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is just me admitting it is my opinion, or I would have said it will for sure be harder.
You are the one assuming I lack experience or knowledge, I actually live in Oregon and have been around growers all my life.
So you could say I have a little at least I have worked on outdoor scenes, seen more indoor set ups than I can count. I know people who supplie dispensaries with all sorts of products, buds extracts edibles you name it. I know people who have started cannabis businesses. Have you ever heard of a closed loop butane system? I know 2 or 3 people who have them at least.
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Stonehenge said: Fine, do it and find out the hard way. I'm done, you can have the last word.
Do what? Grow weed? If I were to do that I would have my own medical indoor room. I would not just be growing for personal use and I wouldn't have much to find out.
I am not trying to have the last word I just wanted you to see there is a point to products like this.
Here is a quote from the OP: Quote:
Pretty interesting, too bad it will cost so much.
It still is cool even if it isn't cheap, they even said they intend to lower the price over time too.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295015 - 09/26/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Half the fun of growing is learning how to give your plants what they want. Having a machine that does that for you is not all that different than buying weed that someone else grew. Is it cheaper in the long run? Yes, but learning how to be a skilled grower is far more rewarding.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295038 - 09/26/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jahrastafareye said: Half the fun of growing is learning how to give your plants what they want. Having a machine that does that for you is not all that different than buying weed that someone else grew. Is it cheaper in the long run? Yes, but learning how to be a skilled grower is far more rewarding.
No one is arguing against that.
I am just pointing out not everyone wants to or has the time to learn to grow. Thing like this are a nice balance.
Many may start with something easy like this than realize how simple it can be and move on to better methods 
I mainly like the recipe angle of this personally, and the sensors and camera. Pretty cool even if it is pretty taxed
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295060 - 09/26/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah but if you decide to move on to better methods, you'll be like damn, I can't believe I wasted $1500 on that. And if you decide not to bother growing anymore it would also be considered a waste of money. I guess what Im saying is if you're going to do something, you should go balls-deep. There are no half-measures.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295085 - 09/26/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about people who work 5+ days a week and don't have the time to run a grow room?
Many people already are so busy in their lives growing weed would be impossible
It would only be a waste of money if you don't re sell any weed and make your money back too. Sell two ounces at 150$ per harvest and after 10 you would make your money back and be covering the costs of nutrients and whatever, all the while getting free weed with minimal effort. Clearly it is not for everyone but for some people it could be really handy that is all I am saying.
The only way I would ever buy one is if I had a fuck ton of money, but I live in Oregon and could get my medical card very easily so its pointless.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295113 - 09/26/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I grew, I worked 60+ hours per week. Watering plants takes like 10 minutes, every 3 days. Feed,water,water. Adjust lights as needed. If you overfeed, the tips of the leaves burn, so feed less next time. I was no master grower, but my friends eyes always lit up when I showed them my harvests.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295128 - 09/26/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not saying it is that hard, just that some might not want to put in the effort to go full out especially at first.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295148 - 09/26/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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But why spend twice as much to do so? If the machine could talk to the new grower and actually teach him things, it would be worth every penny.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295171 - 09/26/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you are customizing your grow "recipe" on this machine or using others you will probably learn about what they need almost as if it is.
Of course that is only if people actually try to learn.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295186 - 09/26/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It just seems like hiring a personal chef in hopes of one day learning to cook.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295233 - 09/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah that is a good comparison.
People who are busy and have the money think like that though. Of course just learning yourself is more efficient but if you do it right the chef can help you get quality food before you even know how to cook, then when you cook for yourself if you put the effort to in learn you will do an even better job. Like I have said clearly it is not for everyone. But there is a market for it though or it would not have been made
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295331 - 09/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: But there is a market for it though or it would not have been made 
False. Just because a product is created, doesnt mean there is a demand.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295362 - 09/26/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My point there was people who make products direct it at a certain market, grow kits are a thing so clearly there is some market there.
Also a ton of people drink coke so I am not sure what your point is.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295533 - 09/26/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jahr, you will never convince ml420 of anything and he is determined to get the last word in. He read the advertisement, believes it and thinks it really is plug and play like the name implies. The $400 grow tent I linked to looks like a much better deal and is taller. A 4 foot tall grow area is a joke, it seems aimed at the totall newbie with more money than sense.
>Yeah but if you decide to move on to better methods, you'll be like damn, I can't believe I wasted $1500 on that. And if you decide not to bother growing anymore it would also be considered a waste of money. I guess what Im saying is if you're going to do something, you should go balls-deep. There are no half-measures.
Exactly right! I think this grow box will be more work than a normal setup because you have to learn all the stuff that goes with the machine and which will not help you when you go to a better system. It will overwater some plants and under water others. Trying to grow pot without learning to grow is doomed to futility.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22295609 - 09/26/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, at any rate, I appreciate your wisdom, even if op doesn't.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295633 - 09/26/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have said like 10 times that setting up your own grow is more cost effective 
I just find new stuff interesting and this product has some cool features.
You guys are getting way to caught up on this 
Anyways you two are the ones arguing Leaf sucks, I never said it is great just that it has its place an will appeal to certain people...
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295716 - 09/26/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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it has its place an will appeal to certain people...
Exactly. It will appeal to lazy noobs with plenty of $$$. What happens when spidermites infest the crop? Does the machine administer pesticides? If not, Wouldn't the grower have to invest some time and actually learn how to deal with them?
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22296033 - 09/26/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pests can be nearly impossible to get rid of in an establishes room.
It would be way worse to invest money and set a room up then get bugs. Some bugs are easier to deal with than others but some are insanely persistent.
I have seen people bleach their whole room including all their equipment, then paint the whole room and start from bug less plants only to have them pop right back up again thankfully depending on the kind of bug they only reduce yield by a little bit if the infestation is controlled decently.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22298303 - 09/27/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or what happens when a fan goes out? or a pump? Do you have to wait for this company to send out a technician for $500? Or at least send out a replacement? If you wait a few days without proper air flow, you could easily end up with hermaphrodites or males. I'm just saying that there are a lot of potential failure points with this set-up and not much room for improvisation. Personally, I wouldn't buy this for that reason. Maintenance is going to be expensive and the ad doesn't even mention it. This will significantly reduce the return on your investment.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22298490 - 09/27/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maintence and whatnot could be solved by having a modular type setup That way you could just go pick up a part and put it in yourself easily.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22298556 - 09/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont sell drugs but 4 of these would by 6k, you could sell a lbs quick for 2500k
So... 10k annually to friends
Yeah maybe not that amazing.
I will probably buy one for tomatoes, i have kids and run a business and growing, time for that... nope.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22298965 - 09/27/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Maintence and whatnot could be solved by having a modular type setup That way you could just go pick up a part and put it in yourself easily.
I totally agree. The thing is, it isn't modular. Which is good for somebody else trying to break into that market.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22299187 - 09/27/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its aimed at clueless newbies. Anyone who knows how to grow would laugh at it. They think they can put in the materials and come back in a few months to find finished buds with the machine doing the work. It doesn't happen that way. Some day artificial intelligence and robotics will progress to that point but not yet.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22301444 - 09/28/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22312842 - 09/30/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achillita said:
It's probably because it requires special cartridges and chemicals for the hydroponics. This was obviously made for people who don't know exactly what they need(or don't wanna learn) about the nutrients required.
Nah bro...It is clearly for the $. They could have engineered it that way you dont have To buy seperate cartridges, but just nutes& acid& boosters in Normal botles. Work atm and looking at the advanced nutrients series IMHO most commercial brand of nutrients available. Even the botles scream
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