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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295038 - 09/26/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jahrastafareye said: Half the fun of growing is learning how to give your plants what they want. Having a machine that does that for you is not all that different than buying weed that someone else grew. Is it cheaper in the long run? Yes, but learning how to be a skilled grower is far more rewarding.
No one is arguing against that.
I am just pointing out not everyone wants to or has the time to learn to grow. Thing like this are a nice balance.
Many may start with something easy like this than realize how simple it can be and move on to better methods 
I mainly like the recipe angle of this personally, and the sensors and camera. Pretty cool even if it is pretty taxed
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295060 - 09/26/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah but if you decide to move on to better methods, you'll be like damn, I can't believe I wasted $1500 on that. And if you decide not to bother growing anymore it would also be considered a waste of money. I guess what Im saying is if you're going to do something, you should go balls-deep. There are no half-measures.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295085 - 09/26/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about people who work 5+ days a week and don't have the time to run a grow room?
Many people already are so busy in their lives growing weed would be impossible
It would only be a waste of money if you don't re sell any weed and make your money back too. Sell two ounces at 150$ per harvest and after 10 you would make your money back and be covering the costs of nutrients and whatever, all the while getting free weed with minimal effort. Clearly it is not for everyone but for some people it could be really handy that is all I am saying.
The only way I would ever buy one is if I had a fuck ton of money, but I live in Oregon and could get my medical card very easily so its pointless.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295113 - 09/26/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I grew, I worked 60+ hours per week. Watering plants takes like 10 minutes, every 3 days. Feed,water,water. Adjust lights as needed. If you overfeed, the tips of the leaves burn, so feed less next time. I was no master grower, but my friends eyes always lit up when I showed them my harvests.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295128 - 09/26/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not saying it is that hard, just that some might not want to put in the effort to go full out especially at first.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295148 - 09/26/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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But why spend twice as much to do so? If the machine could talk to the new grower and actually teach him things, it would be worth every penny.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295171 - 09/26/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you are customizing your grow "recipe" on this machine or using others you will probably learn about what they need almost as if it is.
Of course that is only if people actually try to learn.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295186 - 09/26/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It just seems like hiring a personal chef in hopes of one day learning to cook.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295233 - 09/26/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah that is a good comparison.
People who are busy and have the money think like that though. Of course just learning yourself is more efficient but if you do it right the chef can help you get quality food before you even know how to cook, then when you cook for yourself if you put the effort to in learn you will do an even better job. Like I have said clearly it is not for everyone. But there is a market for it though or it would not have been made
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295331 - 09/26/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: But there is a market for it though or it would not have been made 
False. Just because a product is created, doesnt mean there is a demand.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295362 - 09/26/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My point there was people who make products direct it at a certain market, grow kits are a thing so clearly there is some market there.
Also a ton of people drink coke so I am not sure what your point is.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295388 - 09/26/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295533 - 09/26/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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jahr, you will never convince ml420 of anything and he is determined to get the last word in. He read the advertisement, believes it and thinks it really is plug and play like the name implies. The $400 grow tent I linked to looks like a much better deal and is taller. A 4 foot tall grow area is a joke, it seems aimed at the totall newbie with more money than sense.
>Yeah but if you decide to move on to better methods, you'll be like damn, I can't believe I wasted $1500 on that. And if you decide not to bother growing anymore it would also be considered a waste of money. I guess what Im saying is if you're going to do something, you should go balls-deep. There are no half-measures.
Exactly right! I think this grow box will be more work than a normal setup because you have to learn all the stuff that goes with the machine and which will not help you when you go to a better system. It will overwater some plants and under water others. Trying to grow pot without learning to grow is doomed to futility.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
#22295609 - 09/26/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, at any rate, I appreciate your wisdom, even if op doesn't.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22295633 - 09/26/15 08:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have said like 10 times that setting up your own grow is more cost effective 
I just find new stuff interesting and this product has some cool features.
You guys are getting way to caught up on this 
Anyways you two are the ones arguing Leaf sucks, I never said it is great just that it has its place an will appeal to certain people...
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
#22295716 - 09/26/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
it has its place an will appeal to certain people...
Exactly. It will appeal to lazy noobs with plenty of $$$. What happens when spidermites infest the crop? Does the machine administer pesticides? If not, Wouldn't the grower have to invest some time and actually learn how to deal with them?
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22296033 - 09/26/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pests can be nearly impossible to get rid of in an establishes room.
It would be way worse to invest money and set a room up then get bugs. Some bugs are easier to deal with than others but some are insanely persistent.
I have seen people bleach their whole room including all their equipment, then paint the whole room and start from bug less plants only to have them pop right back up again thankfully depending on the kind of bug they only reduce yield by a little bit if the infestation is controlled decently.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: jahrastafareye]
#22298303 - 09/27/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or what happens when a fan goes out? or a pump? Do you have to wait for this company to send out a technician for $500? Or at least send out a replacement? If you wait a few days without proper air flow, you could easily end up with hermaphrodites or males. I'm just saying that there are a lot of potential failure points with this set-up and not much room for improvisation. Personally, I wouldn't buy this for that reason. Maintenance is going to be expensive and the ad doesn't even mention it. This will significantly reduce the return on your investment.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#22298490 - 09/27/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maintence and whatnot could be solved by having a modular type setup That way you could just go pick up a part and put it in yourself easily.
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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Achillita]
#22298556 - 09/27/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont sell drugs but 4 of these would by 6k, you could sell a lbs quick for 2500k
So... 10k annually to friends
Yeah maybe not that amazing.
I will probably buy one for tomatoes, i have kids and run a business and growing, time for that... nope.
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