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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: HelpHub]
    #22289541 - 09/25/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The phototron was another overpriced ripoff.

You can easily set up a grow room for under $1500 depending on how much you do yourself and how much you buy off the shelf. Get 2 x 600w ballasts and reflectors, run you about $500 for that, maybe less. Then pots, ferts, reflective material to put around the grow space, timers, and fans. It should not cost over $1000 really but people go into hydro shops and pay top dollar for stuff.

You could set up your own hydro grow for under $1000, just design and build some of the stuff yourself using stuff out of walmart and home depot. $500 for lights and reflectors and 500 for the rest. $1500 if you go first class and don't do much work setting it up. It should yield an elbow a month. Figure 1200 gm of bud in 3 months from scratch, have a veg area and have stuff to put under the lights soon as the crop is finished. If odor is a concern then buy carbon filters.

For those who just need enough for one or two people, a 400w hps will be more than enough. Probably can set that up for under $500 maybe as low as $250 if you are thrifty. Put it in a closet and get as much out as the $1500 thing with no expensive refills.

If people are that lazy and have money to burn they can just buy their weed. That expensive closet takes some learning and a newbie may lose his first crop or two.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22289591 - 09/25/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It seems like there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Then you would lose a few crops.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22289605 - 09/25/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems like there are a lot of things that could go wrong. Then you would lose a few crops.




That's right. The lazy person who buys that setup will likely lose out and is better off buying his weed, the do it yourselfer will learn what he needs to know. You can learn a lot going to various websites and reading.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22290021 - 09/25/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Weed is a really hardy plant

you would have to be pretty slow to mess that up


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Konyap]
    #22290544 - 09/25/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not a bad price... I want one.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Konyap]
    #22290663 - 09/25/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Weed is a really hardy plant

you would have to be pretty slow to mess that up




You would be surprised how many things can go wrong and how many people do mess it up :lol:

This device isn't meant for people to grow a ton of cheap weed, it is for people to grow easy quality bud for personal use.

I don't know why you guys are getting so caught up on that :tongue2:


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22291871 - 09/26/15 05:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I like it, can be done much cheaper though but I'd love to have a little set up like that and I rarely smoke except always with mushrooms.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Laughingcowwa]
    #22292098 - 09/26/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They don't say how much light is provided. That is a very important factor. A 250w hid would work fine in there, a 150 would produce less bud but would be something. I've seen grow closets for sale before, this is nothing new, just very high in price. 4' high is too short anyway, you have to allow some room for the lights so you will end up with about 2' to 2.5' tall plants which is runty or they will grow into the light and get burned. I give this system a thumbs down.

Buy a decent grow closet if that's what you want. Here is one on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/hydroponic-grow-box

Hydroponic Grow Box Hydroponics Growing System Indoor 6 plants Cash Crop 4.0

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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294004 - 09/26/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I've seen grow closets for sale before, this is nothing new




Really?

You have seen grow closets with sensors that monitor the nutrients being given to the plant, have a built in hd camera for streams and time lapses, has built in nutrient cartridges and lets you use a app on your phone to control it all and make recipes for your plants which you then can share with others on the app?

I would be interested in seeing that product if this one is not the first :rolleyes:

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Buy a decent grow closet if that's what you want. Here is one on ebay




How are you not getting this? This isn't supposed to be some cheap easy way to grow a bunch of weed. It is an easy way for people to grow quality bud for themselves with minimal effort. If people want something cheaper they will look around and find it. This product is marketed at a specific section of cannabis users. People who don't have the time to grow themselves.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22294169 - 09/26/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So you are telling us we need a camera and sensors to grow quality weed? Since this is set up for soil grow, all it can do is administer amounts of water with ferts on a regular schedule. They say not a word about the light source, does it even have one? Do you have any idea how short 4' is when it has to include not only the plant but also the pot and the light plus room under the light since you don't want it touching the plant? When growing in soil you want to make sure the soil is somewhat dry before adding water, not just dump more on every so many hours.

Its too short to grow quality weed, the most you could do is grow a few bonsai plants which will need constant training to keep them super short. $1500 plus shipping and apparently no light source. You are wowed by the nutrient cartridges but it costs $150 per grow, you can buy enough quality nutes to last many grows for that much money.

> It is an easy way for people to grow quality bud for themselves with minimal effort.

How do you know that? You simply drank the kool aid and believed everything the advertising told you. There is not a single review by users. Its not even set up for hydro which is the most efficient way to grow. Lots of luck with a 4' grow cabinet, you may or may not get any bud out of it. Plus they only sell to those with a med card in legal states.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294224 - 09/26/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty sure its a hydroponic system actually, I don't think it says either way in the article though.

:lol:

Also:

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The system will monitor everything that your plants need to grow, including light, ventilation, nutrient levels and pH of the soil.




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Additionally, each grow will cost about $150 in nutrient cartridges and carbon filter refills. However, co-founder and CEO Yoni Ofir said that eventually the company hopes to drop the price of the actual device and generate its primary revenue from refills




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Its too short to grow quality weed, the most you could do is grow a few bonsai plants which will need constant training to keep them super short. $1500 plus shipping and apparently no light source.




:facepalm3:

Read the article ffs :lol:


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22294347 - 09/26/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I fail to see in the article where a 4' box is going to grow any decent pot. I also don't see any mention of a light source which normally they do talk about.

>The system will monitor everything that your plants need to grow, including light, ventilation, nutrient levels and pH of the soil.

It will tell you when the light is on, when the fan is blowing and how much of the nutes it is dispensing. So what? Have you ever grown weed before? A good grower can look at the plants and see what they need. He does not add water unless the soil is dry, otherwise you get root rot. He does not add nutes unless they need it.

>Pretty sure its a hydroponic system actually, I don't think it says either way in the article though.

"pH of the soil."

There is no room at the top for a decent light, it looks like it relies on flouros for light. Another overpriced phototron.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294457 - 09/26/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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A good grower can look at the plants and see what they need




Yes.... Keyword there "a good grower". This is for people who work 5 days a week and have never grown even a houseplant their whole lives.

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"pH of the soil."



This is a new product, I would not be surprised if they designed it to work either way, would not be very hard :shrug:

The point is it does all the things you would normally have to. Things that require experience growing or a lot of research to handle sometimes.


You sound like a broken record man"Overpriced, overpriced, overpriced"...

Alright we get it, don't buy one then :rofldrunk: problem solved :thumbup:


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22294526 - 09/26/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I will definitely NOT buy one even if I was planning to grow which I'm not. I have done so a long time ago and know what I'm talking about.

>The point is it does all the things you would normally have to

It turns the weak as hell flouros on and off? A timer does that for you. It dispenses liquid but if the grower does not monitor it carefully he will get root root or they will dry out. Quite often plants in the same grow need different amounts of water and ferts, not a one size fits all.

For those newbies thinking about growing I recommend going to a grow site, there are many of them, and read, read, read. Then do a small grow, with bag seeds. Then with the knowledge you have gained, buy a decent setup, either a grow tent, a grow light for your closet or a free standing setup.

Light is probably the most important single factor. Look at that pitiful cabinet and you see it doesn't have decent light. Low light means the plants stretch and since you have almost no room in there, you have plants hitting the top very soon. You could put a panel of led's in the top, that is about the only thing that will give you enough light. Even then you will need to top and train your plants so they don't grow too tall.

You would actually come out better by donation 1500 to a good cause and buying yourself some decent grow equipment. It does not have to be expensive, for one or two people, a couple hundred bucks will get you going. Get a digital ballast or led light.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294560 - 09/26/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You still are not getting this...

This isn't for people who want to get into growing, it is for people who want to grow while minimally dealing with it.

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not a one size fits all.




:facepalm3:

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Users can also control these variables manually, effectively creating their own grow “recipes.”




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users can exchange recipes




Here is all I could find on the light too since that is an important factor:

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Made-for-Cannabis LED Growlight
Custom made for Leaf by leading NASA Agricultural Lighting Researchers and tailored specifically for cannabis growth.





I bet it works fine for what is required.

You seem to be assuming a ton of stuff about this product out of a strong desire to dislike it :shrug:

Also here is more details on everything it monitors:

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Leaf is a very precisely controlled environment. We monitor and control several important parameters to ensure optimum growth and potency.
pH
Air Temp
Water Level
PPM
Humidity
PAR
Water Temp
Plant Height




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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22294582 - 09/26/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>You seem to be assuming a ton of stuff about this product out of a strong desire to dislike it :shrug:

You are obviously assuming a ton of stuff based on reading an ad for it and wishing it were true. There is no substitute for experience and leaving it up to a machine begs for problems.

>I bet it works fine for what is required.

Why don't you buy one and see?


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294624 - 09/26/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was talking about the light.

I am not assuming anything, except that this product does what it is meant to do.

I never said it will grow the dankest weed ever, or is cost effective.

You are the one bashing everything about it without really knowing any details.

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There is no substitute for experience and leaving it up to a machine begs for problems.




I think investing money to set up a room without experience is bound to cause more problems :shrug:

You can manually control many of the machines functions too. There is 0 reason for this not to work, I assume they tried to make it work as well as they could in fact so that they can actually sell it. Why would they make something like this not work decently? Except that you think it is overpriced and won't work of course :wink: Also with the shared recipes you can find someone who grew a strain you want really well then just do it the same.

That is pretty cool and will help people who have no idea what they are doing...


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22294919 - 09/26/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You think, you believe, you assume, all without experience or knowledge. Fine, do it and find out the hard way. I'm done, you can have the last word.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22294974 - 09/26/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is just me admitting it is my opinion, or I would have said it will for sure be harder.

You are the one assuming I lack experience or knowledge, I actually live in Oregon and have been around growers all my life.

So you could say I have a little at least :wink: I have worked on outdoor scenes, seen more indoor set ups than I can count. I know people who supplie dispensaries with all sorts of products, buds extracts edibles you name it. I know people who have started cannabis businesses. Have you ever heard of a closed loop butane system? I know 2 or 3 people who have them at least.


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Fine, do it and find out the hard way. I'm done, you can have the last word.




Do what? Grow weed? If I were to do that I would have my own medical indoor room. I would not just be growing for personal use and I wouldn't have much to find out.

I am not trying to have the last word I just wanted you to see there is a point to products like this.

Here is a quote from the OP:
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Pretty interesting, too bad it will cost so much.




It still is cool even if it isn't cheap, they even said they intend to lower the price over time too.


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Re: Leaf Is A “Plug N’ Plant” Box To Automatically Grow Pot In Your Home [Re: musiclover420]
    #22295015 - 09/26/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Half the fun of growing is learning how to give your plants what they want.  Having a machine that does that for you is not all that different than buying weed that someone else grew.  Is it cheaper in the long run? Yes, but learning how to be a skilled grower is far more rewarding.


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