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The Allegory of the Cave discribed a psychedelic experience without drugs
    #22276972 - 09/22/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A dialogue between Socrates and Plato, the story is about people tied to chairs staring at a cave wall, lit up from behind the people in the chairs with peaple passing between them, and the fire.

i forget exactly who said what, but pretty much it was pondered upon what would happen if you took one of these people, who's only knowledge of things came from the shadows cast on the walls, and showed them the outside of the cave.

first, they would be blinded by the light. then they would be blinded a second time, for they would have been forced to consider something else- that what they previously knew about the world was incorrect, or incomplete rather.

this story kind of found it's way into the matrix with Neo having to choose between the red pill and the blue pill.

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Re: The Allegory of the Cave discribed a psychedelic experience without drugs [Re: 404]
    #22276979 - 09/22/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I heard that store once, cant recall where. really makes you think, Where were the people tied to the chairs getting food and water?


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Re: The Allegory of the Cave discribed a psychedelic experience without drugs [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22276992 - 09/22/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

it's been a very long time since i read the story, i could only assume the two weren't much concerned about the physical needs of their fictional and hypothetical characters, and more interested in what went on in their minds


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    #22277003 - 09/22/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i can certainly understand the idea behind the story. Its a great analogy. It can describe life and death, or attitudes towards drugs by brainwashed individuals. Or a load of other things. Like how we perceive the world, and how we perceive it the first time we take psychedelics. Its like "waking up" some part of you, that you were blind to.


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Re: The Allegory of the Cave discribed a psychedelic experience without drugs [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22277157 - 09/23/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You know in ancient rome, how they exiled people (like plato)? Made them drink hemlock and wander in the mountains until they died.

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    #22277206 - 09/23/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what does that have to do with anything other than what they did to him?


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    #22277233 - 09/23/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hemlock is known to cause hallucinations, along the same lines as Datura and what not. Just adding to the discussion.

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    #22277243 - 09/23/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As all you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be. What could you understand of something not known of...  Telepathy.


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    #22277580 - 09/23/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the platonic dialogues took place in ancient greece, not rome, even though greece was later a roman province. and plato was never exiled. the historical socrates, who plato uses as a central voice in his dialogues, was offered exile when convicted of corrupting the youth, but chose death by drinking hemlock instead. 

the allegory of the cave is about philosophers, the lovers of wisdom who escape the cave, glimpse the true nature of reality on the surface, and return to attempt to free their comrades. to me, and it must be said that plato's dialogues have always been up for interpretation, the allegory seems to be about language, and how people become enslaved by it. for philosophers, words are windows into reality rather than reality itself. and the job of the philosopher, at least for plato it seems, is to free the enslaved masses from the rhetoric of rulers that encrusts these windows with ideology that obscures truth. 

if anyone is looking for some recent scholarship on plato, i would recommend yale's verity harte. i've had years of formal exposure to plato, and she is one of the scholars who changed my understanding of him by leaps and bounds.

(edited because i was really tired when i wrote this.)


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