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donjonson420
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Lepiota procera confirmation
#22276172 - 09/22/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello I would like to confirm before eating. ] 
Also any help with these would be appreciated as well. I believe they are young dried out Honeys since I found Honeys everywhere. Thanks.
Edited by donjonson420 (09/22/15 08:23 PM)
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MollyLucyMaryJane

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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276192 - 09/22/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dont eat. Deadly poison Amanita.
The second one also appears to be a poison Galerina.
I could be wrong on number 2.
Edited by MollyLucyMaryJane (09/22/15 08:31 PM)
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donjonson420
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The one I believe to be a parasol?
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donjonson420
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276228 - 09/22/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea the second one is from photos I took a while back just figured id ask but regarding the first what species do you believe this to be?
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276233 - 09/22/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tall white mushrooms make me paranoid. I would never try to eat a parasol mushroom
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276254 - 09/22/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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donjonson420 said: The one I believe to be a parasol?
The first one definitely looks like a destroying angel, very poisonous btw.
Second one may be a deadly Galerina. However, wait for a Trusted Identifier to verify.
Are you taking spore prints already OP? Would definitely help in differentiating from possible look a likes.
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MollyLucyMaryJane

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I guess it could be parasol mushroom but the one you posted has a volva. The cap has that nipple though so idk. Anyone who would eat that is crazy!
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donjonson420
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Yes left it on white paper for about 12 hours, nothing showed so I assumed its white, I have no black paper. And I thought a smooth bulge at the base of stem was a defining characteristic of a parasol it does not appear to be a vulva.
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276288 - 09/22/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it dosent have a volva does it stain pink at all? Sorry but when i see tall white mushroom i automatically say poison Amanita. Now that i look at parasol mushrooms it does resemble it alot more. I didnt even know there was a white mushroom with white gills and spores that you could eat existed but after doing some research it does look like it could be a parasol mushroom.
Definitely wait for a trusted identifier with a species like this.
As for the second one did you take all them pictires from the same cluster of mushrooms?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: donjonson420]
#22276299 - 09/22/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1) Macrolepiota procera sensu auct. amer. 2) Armillaria tabescens
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Dont eat. Deadly poison Amanita.
No!
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The second one also appears to be a poison Galerina.
No!
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I could be wrong on number 2.
You are wrong on both of them. Both are excellent edibles.
Damn Americans, so mycophobic.
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donjonson420 said: The one I believe to be a parasol?
Yes!
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Tall white mushrooms make me paranoid. I would never try to eat a parasol mushroom
Fucking Americans. They are very mycophobic.
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Pariahprose said: The first one definitely looks like a destroying angel, very poisonous btw.
Not even close.
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Second one may be a deadly Galerina. However, wait for a Trusted Identifier to verify.
Armillaria tabescens. Edible and delicius. The stems are kind of tough though, it is a good idea too hit them with a hammer before cooking.
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Are you taking spore prints already OP? Would definitely help in differentiating from possible look a likes.
Spore prints are not needed.
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: I guess it could be parasol mushroom but the one you posted has a volva.
No.
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Anyone who would eat that is crazy!
No.
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donjonson420 said: Yes left it on white paper for about 12 hours, nothing showed so I assumed its white, I have no black paper. And I thought a smooth bulge at the base of stem was a defining characteristic of a parasol it does not appear to be a vulva.
You should print on tinfoil because there are no mushrooms with metallic colored spores.
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Its better to be safe than sorry when your a beginner. Coming from someone who ate a deadly galerina sp.
I would definitely suggest that the parasol mushroom be saved for the pros. Very many deadly look alikes.
Op check this website for very good info on the 1st mushroom. http://mushroom-collecting.com/mushroomparasol.html
Hate me all ya want for being mycophobic heh i love me my morels chants and puffballs XD
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Cool, Thanks Allen.
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Dont eat. Deadly poison Amanita.
The second one also appears to be a poison Galerina.
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Coming from someone who ate a deadly galerina sp.
This is why you shouldn't jump to conclusions with mushrooms. Take your time and do your research.
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Hate me all ya want for being mycophobic heh i love me my morels chants and puffballs XD
Morels are mediocre, I'd bet those parasols are much tastier.
Edited by Ran-D (09/22/15 08:58 PM)
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: Ran-D]
#22276335 - 09/22/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Its better to be safe than sorry when your a beginner.
My personal life philosophy is better sorry than safe. That is why I am currently looking for mushrooms in Michoacan, Mexico, a part of Mexico so dangerous that most Mexicans are afraid to go there.
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Coming from someone who ate a deadly galerina sp.
And then what happened?
You ate a deadly Galerina, and you still can't recognize them?
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I would definitely suggest that the parasol mushroom be saved for the pros. Very many deadly look alikes.
No, nothing deadly looks like this. The only toxic thing that looks like this is Chlorophyllum molybdites, and that has a very different stem texture, different cap scales, different stem to cap ratio. Macrolepiota have very slim, long stems.
The deadly mushrooms that look like this are Amanita section Phalloideae, but really they are very different if you look closely at the correct features.
https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=734&q=destroying+angel&oq=destroying+angel&gs_l=img.3..0l7.320.2787.0.2991.16.13.0.0.0.0.280.2061.0j3j6.9.0.ccynfh...0...1.1.64.img..7.9.2054.F1vgD7ie7Gw
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Ran-D said: Morels are mediocre, I'd bet those parasols are much tastier.
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Re: Lepiota procera confirmation [Re: Ran-D]
#22276349 - 09/22/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably not tastier than puffballs. They're my favorite!
You learn something new on this website every day i think ive actually seen them parasol mushrooms and brushed them off as a deadly Amanita. I would still never risk eating one though.
I was a little kid when i ate it. I spent some time in the hospital. It actually wasnt a horrible experience but you forget the bad things.
Also i didnt think #2 was Autumnalis but i did think the first 3 pictures were Galerina. The cluster in the last picture didnt resemble them though.
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Excellent posts Alan. Lol. Personally i think Parasols (M. procera) are safe providing you actually make some attempt to identify what you are eating. They don't bear any real resemblance to any Amanita that I've ever seen. However If you were poisoned by eating Galerina then naturally you are going to be extremely cautious and that is fine. And you should be.
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Alan Rockefeller
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MollyLucyMaryJane said: Coming from someone who ate a deadly galerina sp.
Just curious what caused you to eat Galerina marginata?
What was your thought process?
And then what happened?
You are the second shroomery member who has mentioned eating Galerina marginata. The other is Vandago, and the reasoning behind his decision is well documented in his posts here. (MXE + LSD) I put him in touch with the world expert on amatoxin poisoning, but it turned out that his liver tests showed that he was not going to die so no treatment was needed. He got pretty sick though.
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Spore prints are not needed.
True, if you have experience, maturity, or have otherwise acquired mushroom sense. Based on my experience I'd recommend checking spore color for both species at least the first few times. I grew up in an area where Macrolepiota seldom fruited, and spent years running after every unusual looking Chlorophyllum molybdipes out of wishful thinking. When I finally saw a parasol, I was like "WTF. These look nothing alike!" Then I saw European specimens, and could see how a newcomer could be confused.
BTW, Mexico is great. I was briefly in the mountains in Chihuahua/Durango. You should post a journal.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
You are the second shroomery member who has mentioned eating Galerina marginata. The other is Vandago, and the reasoning behind his decision is well documented in his posts here. (MXE + LSD) I put him in touch with the world expert on amatoxin poisoning, but it turned out that his liver tests showed that he was not going to die so no treatment was needed. He got pretty sick though.
Knowing the world expert on amanita toxins would be a useful thing for mushroom hunters to know.
I don't think he/she would be too thrilled with their number broadcast on an open forum, but how would you suggest someone get in touch with them if they're concerned they, or someone they know, ate a deadly mushroom?
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Alan Rockefeller said:
You are the second shroomery member who has mentioned eating Galerina marginata. The other is Vandago, and the reasoning behind his decision is well documented in his posts here. (MXE + LSD) I put him in touch with the world expert on amatoxin poisoning, but it turned out that his liver tests showed that he was not going to die so no treatment was needed. He got pretty sick though.
Knowing the world expert on amanita toxins would be a useful thing for mushroom hunters to know.
I don't think he/she would be too thrilled with their number broadcast on an open forum, but how would you suggest someone get in touch with them if they're concerned they, or someone they know, ate a deadly mushroom?
I actually was treating myself the second I realized I was poisoned. The very instant it clicked in my head what happened, I called my girlfriend and told her to bring the biggest bottle of milk thistle and charcoal they had at walgreens.
When I got to the hospital it felt like I was going to burst. It hurt so bad I was in tears doubled over. I could squirt a small small amout of bile out of my ass. The hospital wanted to inject me with iodine and do a catscan, which I explain how incredibly dangerous that was, iodine being a toxin....
As SOON as I ate a couple milk thistles and charcoal I felt a bowel movement like I had never felt in my life......it was instantaneous with the pills hitting my stomache.....I'm sure some was placebo.....but 10 minutes later I took the thickest blackest shit I had ever seen.
Through out the 4 days I had to have my gf sneak me in water, food, charcoal, and milk thistle. The hospital refused to treat me until a specimen was brought in ( not til the 50 hour mark did that happen ) and at that time alan had already been having the other doctor call my awful ER doctor.
By this time I was shitting out huge black fleshy chunks of mushroom into waste bins that they were taking and apparently running tests on.....but really only humoring me so I'd stop telling them how to do their fucking job.
It was on the 4th day the doctors literally came in and said "What should we do, we have no clue."
So I had them contact the mycologist alan had called originally....and they FINALLY did an ultra sound and amatoxin tests.
I have no doubt in my mind if I hadn't been in peak physical condition, and treated myself, that I'd be dead in a very bad way.
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