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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22276613 - 09/22/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

That's funny becouse I am literally the opposite.

I get really stoned on high thc strains or dabs and it makes me feel like I have ADHD, which goes terrible with tripping sometimes.

Over analyzing stuff sucks especially when you are in such a crazy head space.

I took some high thc dabs on a decent harmala dose (the maoi's in Syrian Rue) and had some pretty intense hallucinations just from the combo.

I had taken a bit of a tolerance break though. I was crazy stimulated, but the harmalas helped relax me a bit and guided me towards meditating.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22276761 - 09/22/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hybrids are better suited for tripping. A full on Sativa can induce crazy visuals n might throw him off tripping again.

TBH, Hybrids are just better altogether for any situation, just go dominant on the sativa for visuals and faster thoughts and dominant on the indica for the comedown.

I recommend:

Sativa dom: Amnesia Haze / Blue Dream sat. phenotype
Indica dom: Blue Cheese / Blue Dream ind. phenotype

Easy strains to get too, don't give him a heroic dose either, chuck him 3g of cubes, ease him into it man.

I went in full blast n ate 40 liberty cap aborts and now i even get paranoid n stuff off just 0.6g of libs (1g) cubes roughly.

It can ruin the experience for him, i'ts been really hard for me to get back into tripping again, i'm only just easing back in now after over a year.

yeah, it's really that bad, if the visuals and audio is unexpected he will end up on a bad trip, not good man, give him 3g imo then up it to 4 next time.



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Re: Liver damage? [Re: musiclover420]
    #22277000 - 09/22/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Same here, but a good day time strain, makes life brighter.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: Blazeyy]
    #22277011 - 09/22/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Adhd brains have different reactions to sativas apparently. Explains a lot.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: Blazeyy]
    #22277171 - 09/23/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Blazeyy said:
don't give him a heroic dose either, chuck him 3g of cubes, ease him into it man.

I went in full blast n ate 40 liberty cap aborts and now i even get paranoid n stuff off just 0.6g of libs (1g) cubes roughly.

It can ruin the experience for him, i'ts been really hard for me to get back into tripping again, i'm only just easing back in now after over a year.

yeah, it's really that bad, if the visuals and audio is unexpected he will end up on a bad trip, not good man, give him 3g imo then up it to 4 next time.






Good advice :thumbup: I can't wait to find libs one day, they have always interested me.


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22277673 - 09/23/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I told him to just relax alone in the dark cool room and take lots of dabs.




....dabs r so fucking gross when tripping!....yuck....can't stand it....


.tons and tons and tons of str8 bud!...I grow the chronic so I got plenty...no need for dabs....I'll sip n2o if I wanna blast!:mindexpanding:


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22277730 - 09/23/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Depends on the dab quality I suppose :shrug:


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22277933 - 09/23/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Depends on the dab quality I suppose :shrug:





....personally...it's just too harsh on shrooms...maybe a Lil piece on top of weed...imho.....:wonka:


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22278157 - 09/23/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ever hit a vaporizer?


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22278441 - 09/23/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My uncle says cubensis mushrooms cause liver damage? Any evidence of this?





No.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: Faustoid]
    #22278811 - 09/23/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Faustoid said:
http://www.shroomery.org/8763/Do-hallucinogenic-mushrooms-cause-liver-damage




I think instead of "Gymnopolis" it should say "Gymnopilus" ?


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22281387 - 09/23/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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YaMoonSun said:
Ever hit a vaporizer?




...not tripping....weed  just tastes so freaking good..:bigyesnod:

....namaste!


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #22282106 - 09/24/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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My uncle says cubensis mushrooms cause liver damage? Any evidence of this?




you are one of the few who post here who even give a damn whether something is going to wreck  kidneys,liver, heart,brain, etc. Or should I say "seem" to give a damn. Well, let's hope you do.

I would say, instead of posing this question to a forum dedicated to the use of these mushrooms, you should go to a more neutral source first. Then come back with what you've learned and start a discussion.


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Edited by champinhom (09/24/15 04:11 AM)


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: champinhom]
    #22282499 - 09/24/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The thing is, there has been tests. And use for thousands of years with no signs of liver damage.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: Achillita]
    #22283078 - 09/24/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The thing is, there has been tests. And use for thousands of years with no signs of liver damage.




They have not been tested to any extent at all, by scientific standards, because of the goofy freeze that all world governments have placed on use and research of this substance. Really, it takes decades of hard looking to really find this stuff out.

As for those who have used it for thousands of years--well, there are a lot of questions to be asked of them: How often, in what manner, how much, when, in conjunction with what other practices, etc, etc..

What I am trying to say is: We don't really know. It seems likely that the damage, if any, is at least balanaced by the psychological benefits. Like everything, it is a trade-off.

So many people on this site are likke people who buy a stock and then close their ears to any news but the good news about it. I'll let you do the extrapolation.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: champinhom]
    #22283888 - 09/24/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh shit man, :bsflag: 

This is moronic, not the forum, the assumption.  Yes, the LDL50 limits have been tested, as well as the safety; no, there is no liver damage from these substances.  Just look it up rather than assuming.  If you have poor liver function you will have trouble breaking down the actives.  But that has nothing to do with the drugs themselves.

Wiki:

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In one study, administration of gradually increasing dosages of psilocybin daily for 21 days had no measurable effect on electrolyte levels, blood sugar levels, or liver toxicity tests.[1]

[1] Passie T, Seifert J, Schneider U, Emrich HM. (2002). "The pharmacology of psilocybin". Addiction Biology 7 (4): 357–64. doi:10.1080/1355621021000005937. PMID 14578010.








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Re: Liver damage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22283968 - 09/24/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid: Thanks primal soup.


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22284099 - 09/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
Oh shit man, :bsflag: 

This is moronic, not the forum, the assumption.  Yes, the LDL50 limits have been tested, as well as the safety; no, there is no liver damage from these substances.  Just look it up rather than assuming.  If you have poor liver function you will have trouble breaking down the actives.  But that has nothing to do with the drugs themselves.

Wiki:

Quote:

In one study, administration of gradually increasing dosages of psilocybin daily for 21 days had no measurable effect on electrolyte levels, blood sugar levels, or liver toxicity tests.[1]

[1] Passie T, Seifert J, Schneider U, Emrich HM. (2002). "The pharmacology of psilocybin". Addiction Biology 7 (4): 357–64. doi:10.1080/1355621021000005937. PMID 14578010.











The operative phrase: One study. That is the place where the ears shut. Now we definitely know! One study! You are naive beyond belief if you think science ends there. Studies come along and contradict other studies. And all these studies taken together start to give a picture a readable image, an image of which each study might be said to be a single pixel. When science is free to act and there is enough interest--think cholesterol, which has gone from being a devil to almost a saint.

I am not saying psilolcybin is liver damaging. As you say, there is as yet no evidence. I am saying that there has been so little work done on it, that the evidence we have is not sufficient to say anything for sure. But, of course, I WANT it to to be good for me, there fore it is! So, case closed. I will take it till I bust! Fuck everyone who tells me nay, go soft, stay on the side of moderation.


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My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said.

Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking.
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Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P.  Silocybin


Edited by champinhom (09/24/15 02:02 PM)


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: champinhom]
    #22284177 - 09/24/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

FUCK YEAH PS!!...TO THE MAX:firstladyofapproval:


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Re: Liver damage? [Re: champinhom]
    #22284190 - 09/24/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

hey ive heard that ,a dude i used to work with 4-5 years ago , said he fucked his liver because of a like 1month everyday binge on shroom back in his days.

didnt know much about shroom at the time ,just said like sucks man.

but really the dude is a huge alchoolic still was when i was working with him , was from the early 90s pill poper raver generation too, last time i saw him it was in a rehab center last year , while i was visiting a friend there.

so really cant take this as evidence, but still its weird. anyhow ill never do 30 days of shrooms straight ,sounds  :whippedcreamhead:


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