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TheKingofLimbs
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Comparison of two different bulk subs
#22274689 - 09/22/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How does coir and hpoo compare and contrast as substrates?
Coir
- Easier to prep (with the bucket tek).
- Sorta contam resistant - if you accidentally fuck up a sterile procedure along the way
- Generally more expensive
- Easier to find
Hpoo Straw
- More nutrients
- less contam resistant
- Less expensive
- Harder to find
Not sure if this list is correct, but what about time it takes to spawn coir vs. hpoo? Also, I have been using the search function to see if there are some things that can be added to coir with the bucket tek besides gypsum and verm that do not need to be pasteurized.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
#22274769 - 09/22/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's like 3-6 people who will tell you poo = more potency Azur, Hamloaf, Eatyualive, Blackout, and some other old school TCs too
There's like 30+ people who will tell you it's genetic, and then after that environment/conditions and then after that substrate that's important. and of course having clean spawn otherwise everything else is a bust. (Cronicr, SpitballJedi, pastywhyte, rogerrabbit, pussyfart, blindingleaf, workman, myself and a bunch of other non TCs who are smart too.
there's no reason to believe poo or coir are superior substrates. the superior substrate is what you can get easily, get cheapest, use comfortably, get results in your environment, circumstance, etc... ie what works for you best.
in the bucket only goes water, coir, verm, and gypsum if you have it.
everything else needs proper pasteurization
your genetics play the biggest role in potency and yield. if you use agar and play with clones and isolates you'll get much better results
if you play with dialing in your fruiting conditions, fruiting chamber, environment, lighting, moisture content, etc... you'll get better results
if you change your ingredients(so long as they're prepared correctly) you won't notice much difference if you're using the same cultures.
many people attribute their successes to the changes they make while they're learning. rather than just becoming more experienced. so in this way a lot of people attribute different ingredients to better performance. rather than the fact that they just got better as time whent on and they tried different things.
at this point the best you can do is get your feet wet. do what seems best for you
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vagblast
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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: bodhisatta]
#22274795 - 09/22/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Voted best answer.of the.week? Anyone?....... Check this.out!!!
TRY THEM BOTH!!!
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blackdust


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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: vagblast]
#22275223 - 09/22/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i never understood the potency debate grow a stronger shroom species if you want more potency?
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cronicr



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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: blackdust]
#22275311 - 09/22/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: i never understood the potency debate grow a stronger shroom species if you want more potency?

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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: cronicr]
#22275539 - 09/22/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: taGyo]
#22275567 - 09/22/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr



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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22275571 - 09/22/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't compare subs, mix them
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TheKingofLimbs
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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: cronicr]
#22275838 - 09/22/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: don't compare subs, mix them
I agree! I think I might just mix coir and manure.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: TheKingofLimbs]
#22275859 - 09/22/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheKingofLimbs said:
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cronicr said: don't compare subs, mix them
I agree! I think I might just mix coir and manure.
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vagblast
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Re: Comparison of two different bulk subs [Re: vagblast]
#22275896 - 09/22/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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vagblast said: Voted best answer.of the.week? Anyone?....... Check this.out!!!
TRY THEM BOTH!!!

Toooogeeeettthhheeerrr
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