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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272656 - 09/22/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is what comes to mind when you say that God I love that video. I think I had tears in my eyes the first time I watched it. Having done Salvia I really don't discredit it as being fake. I can literally see how easy that would happen. I still laugh my fucking ass off every time I watch it. That shit is just fucking pure gold.
Whatever you're referencing, post it.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Amanita86]
#22272661 - 09/22/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah Salvia is pretty "dangerous" in certain circumstances. Total mindfuck. I dunno what it is, but you end up trying to do what you would never do on any other psychedelic. For me my first instinct is to stand up for some odd reason. I guess it's like trying to compose myself and get a grip, but I don't really know. All I know is coordination is 100% impossible. Trying to stand only guarantees I'll end up on the floor. It's pretty hard to stand when you have salvia gravity pulling you to one side like a high powered magnet. I've seen some people do some pretty weird shit on it (in person).
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272667 - 09/22/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: There is no such thing as a bad trip. Just mental insecurities about oneself ^_^ your alive. You're good.
There are bad trips. Here are just a couple of scenarios: Seeing a friend die while tripping. Getting the cops called on you while tripping. Getting lost in the middle of the woods at night while tripping (has even happened on the Shroomery and one of my friend's grandmothers live in the sticks and some people tripping on mushrooms while riding in the woods got stuck and started freaking out). Getting told your girlfriend of over 5 years is dumping you. I could probably come up with scenario after scenario.
Those aren't mental insecurities about one's self. They are highly stressful events that are only exacerbated by tripping. "Bad trips" don't always stem from personal reflection. Sometimes they are events entirely out of your control.
There are such things as bad trips.
Okay, that makes plenty of sense. But feeaking out or not, is a choice. Tripping or not. I have talked to so many cops frying balls, with a altoids full of acid, its about remaing calm, and not seeing them as police, but a human being. Talk talk talk the way out. Its always wprked for me. And ive been lost too, granted it was scary, but i wouldnt call it a bad trip. It would have been scary trippn or not. I ended up yelln and yelln following the voice of friends. If i had no voice to follow i prolly wiuld have said fuck it, im waitn till mornin. (It was already like 3am). It doesnt matter thr scenario that is out of ones control, they always happen. Will you be overwhelmed, or will you take control of the scenario? Will you bawl your eyes out and go down the dark rabbit hole bad trippn if you seen a friend die, or wiuld you do what needed to be done?
We are always in a constant state of "trip". Now mushrooms or L, makes that state go much faster. And thats just by growing more neurons than possible sober. No such thing as a bad trip. Still conceived. Bad feelings yes. Cause feelings are everywhere. Bad circumstances yes, those are everywhere. But its up to YOU, to let it dominate yourself. If you choose to let it control, bad trip. As lomg as you got your hands on the wheel, it doesnt matter what can wherever you're at. Dirty street kid seen just about it all. And the ones who will pass you the torch, will say the same. No such thing. All about mental fitness.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272675 - 09/22/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's a lot of people that have that reaction, it's like they go into the dream with their mind but their body hasn't been sufficiently sedated...sleepwalkers.. I saw that a lot.
And then there are your fighters, like in that video you posted. I learned it's dangerous giving someone salvia, that could kick your ass.
It's a real select few who can take it, and even fewer that can enjoy it. In the later days, I got to the point where I couldn't find anyone who I felt it was meant for.. and it was just, a that's it kind of scenario.. like a whole era was passed, no more receptive salvia people.. I know there's still a few out there somewhere..
It's one of those things where it should have never become common knowledge. Period. The angels are watching, they'll give you what you need... you never know who you pass on the street... if you get what I'm saying.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] 1
#22272686 - 09/22/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your mistake is assuming that because you can handle certain situations and not freak out, that everyone else is capable of it as well. A person is not necessarily capable of something just because another person is. Everybody's brain, for lack of a better term, are wired differently. What you can accomplish, another might not be able to. Take school for example. There are certain people who just intuitively understand certain subjects, and others who constantly struggle and fail at understanding them. It's not their lack of study or effort, they just simply cannot grasp it. However look deep enough and you will find a completely flipped example where the first person simply cannot grasp it, and the second just understands it.
I'm a relatively intelligent person, I'm even pretty well versed on behavior, body language, psychology and the like. From a "scientific" stand point, I understand it all. Yet applying that knowledge completely eludes me. It's not because I haven't tried, or even because I don't understand it, my brain is just not built for that type of stuff. I cannot put what I know to be true into action effectively, just as someone who understands stressful situations may not be able to recognize them and act accordingly. They can no more refuse to have a bad trip, than I can refuse to be socially inept.
If you take nothing else away from this, take this: Everybody is not you. You cannot expect that what is true for you, is true for everyone.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272702 - 09/22/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Your mistake is assuming that because you can handle certain situations and not freak out, that everyone else is capable of it as well. A person is not necessarily capable of something just because another person is. Everybody's brain, for lack of a better term, are wired differently. What you can accomplish, another might not be able to. Take school for example. There are certain people who just intuitively understand certain subjects, and others who constantly struggle and fail at understanding them. It's not their lack of study or effort, they just simply cannot grasp it. However look deep enough and you will find a completely flipped example where the first person simply cannot grasp it, and the second just understands it.
I'm a relatively intelligent person, I'm even pretty well versed on behavior, body language, psychology and the like. From a "scientific" stand point, I understand it all. Yet applying that knowledge completely eludes me. It's not because I haven't tried, or even because I don't understand it, my brain is just not built for that type of stuff. I cannot put what I know to be true into action effectively, just as someone who understands stressful situations may not be able to recognize them and act accordingly. They can no more refuse to have a bad trip, than I can refuse to be socially inept.
If you take nothing else away from this, take this: Everybody is not you. You cannot expect that what is true for you, is true for everyone.
Everybody is just as capable. You here, are setting your own boundries and limitations. IQ does not dictate emotional intelligence.
Thats why we have super smart crazed killers.
It all comes down to emotion. Emotion controls thought, thought controls our actions and how we handle things.
Without a balance of emotion, im sure this world can get over whelming. Anxiety, depression, rage.. bad trips.
But IQ doesnt determine emotional intelligence. Therefore everyone is capable of controlling their emotion. Its a matter of do you know how. Meditation is key. Finding enjoymemt in the passing of time.
Bad trips only exist if you let them.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22272720 - 09/22/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dunno what else to tell you. I hate to pull a bassfreak, but you're just wrong.
I could make another reply on par with the last, pointing out errors and giving realistic examples that proves your assertions wrong, but I really don't feel It'd do any good or be worth trying. I'm not trying to get into some long drawn out debate. So take this reply as you will. If you wanna say you won and I'm bowing out because I can't refute your argument, go ahead. I think in general most people would agree with me though.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272737 - 09/22/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence
Get this up, and bad trips will be abolished. It just takes traing and faith.
After fryn out with more than enough people, i know my methods and theorys are correct. Ive brought so many people back from a bad trip, tell them what i told you but deeper, and they are on it. No bad trips. Even the oldest have things to learn. As do i. Keep your mind open. For this is your next lesson.
It doesnt matter what people agree with. That would mean looking for self glorification.
Everyone agreed with obama back in '08. Now hes a monster mess. Time after time we see the general population being wrong. So masses agreed or not, with proper mental stimulation, bad trips are non existent. Bad scenarios sure, but figure how to not lose your shit, and you wont lose your shit.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] 1
#22272749 - 09/22/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that everyone has a breaking point when it comes to tripping. Even if you don't experience "bad trips" it can be a stressor if you overdo it it is a stressor so caution is prudent. That idea that you can just will yourself to be calm and sane might work at first, but those people tend to fall the hardest in the end compared to the ones who have a bad experience and change their behavior.
Also, Obama
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22272755 - 09/22/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dont get me wrong, ive had bad trips. But not until i realized its all just in me, and went through huge behavior change. Im no longer the same person. And everyone in my life asks why im so different (in a good way) i tell em idk i just woke up like this lmao.
I havr tripped on anything since July. I dont feel the need to. "Got the message, hang up the phone." Ive learned many life skills. Its done.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22272760 - 09/22/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pschyedellics are tools. Not toys. They should never be used for fun. But to build. Stick to pot for fun. If your using tools for fun, one might find its a destructive tool, instead of a constructive one.
Like a hammer. One head for putting nails in, the other side for removing. Destroying.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis] 1
#22272827 - 09/22/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah... tell me "it's all just me" when language loses all meaning and sounds just fall apart.. and the loops that make up the rhythms and cycles of your thought process break..and all you can do is lay like a baby on its back and just take in this whole new world you've seen your whole life but never really been seeing since you were laying as a baby on your back..
Pay attention to the sounds little baby humans make... quite interesting.
When it all falls apart,...there IS no language, that can pull you back...try reasoning with a baby that won't stop crying for who knows what reason... you cant communicate, they cant communicate..
Even deeper is when all your logic goes... you are now at the mercy of God.
There's no talking, there's no anything..but that world...the spirit world.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Amanita86]
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Amanita86]
#22272928 - 09/22/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Yeah... tell me "it's all just me" when language loses all meaning and sounds just fall apart.. and the loops that make up the rhythms and cycles of your thought process break..and all you can do is lay like a baby on its back and just take in this whole new world you've seen your whole life but never really been seeing since you were laying as a baby on your back..
Pay attention to the sounds little baby humans make... quite interesting.
When it all falls apart,...there IS no language, that can pull you back...try reasoning with a baby that won't stop crying for who knows what reason... you cant communicate, they cant communicate..
Even deeper is when all your logic goes... you are now at the mercy of God.
There's no talking, there's no anything..but that world...the spirit world. 
Sounds like an overdose bud. Dont do that to yourself.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22273334 - 09/22/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Not sometimes. Thats always. The entire world is insecure. A trip is whats going on in your head. How cool are you with yourself? Do you control the thoughts, or are you along for the ride?
Most of the time you are along for the ride, thats the point. Trying to control your thoughts is what causes bad trips imo. Ever heard someone say not to fight it? Trying to control your thoughts while tripping is fighting it. Just go with the flow.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#22273433 - 09/22/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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TORCUTT said: Not sometimes. Thats always. The entire world is insecure. A trip is whats going on in your head. How cool are you with yourself? Do you control the thoughts, or are you along for the ride?
Most of the time you are along for the ride, thats the point. Trying to control your thoughts is what causes bad trips imo. Ever heard someone say not to fight it? Trying to control your thoughts while tripping is fighting it. Just go with the flow.
Unless the flow is completely irrational, and potentially dangerous. The flow can take over, and propel one into the bad trip. Control the flow, and let it downstream in the direction you want.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
#22274352 - 09/22/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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It wasn't necessarily a bad trip, and to be honest I did it to myself. The come-up took FOREVER, I didn't take an MAO inhibitor, and I may have had some food in my stomach. The night started off fine and I was enjoying the mental clarity I had. I was about an hour into my experience when an ambulance came and took one of my neighbors to the hospital. This is where the downward spiral started...
I started to think about how just over a year ago my uncle had died in the same house I am living in now. I am usually okay with the idea of death, but for some reason I had a sinister feeling sweep over me. I realized that my nice night full of plans of star gazing and meditation were behind me.
I ended up waking up my fiance, who is also my trip sitter, and trying to get her to come up to bed. Now... With her it is always hit and miss when waking her up. Sometimes she will flash me a smile, and I know it wont be a struggle to get her to come to bed. There are other times where she can be pretty harsh... This was one of those times!
Being on mushrooms made it easy to decipher her feelings, and I tried to quickly turn them around, which I did!
We didn't make it up to our bedroom, and decided to spend some time in the guest bedroom since there were only positive feeling associated with it. We had our first experience with LSD in that room and have made lasting and beautiful memories because of it.
I laid on the small twin sized bed as I swore the room was coming in on me. It was my 4th, and also the oddest trip I have had. Closed eyed visuals were apparent, but not a large part of the trip. What made it a bad trip is I felt alone, and I was afraid of death, but also welcoming to it. Definitely a weird feeling I ended up completely giving in to the mushrooms and decided that if I were to die I would die next to the one I love.
My fiance ended up being there for the rest of the night until the initial peak had gone down, and was able to sooth my anxious mind.
I had prepared most of the week for the trip, and when it finally came down to the time of consuming I felt like maybe it was the wrong time... I should have listened... I believe the mushrooms also knew it wasn't a good time to do them, and as a result I didn't get what I wanted. But I did gain something out of the trip; respect.
It wasn't necessarily a bad trip, but an unfavorable one. I'm not afraid to get back on the horse and ride again, but I do think it would be a smart idea for me to be patient with the horse... So to speak!
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
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TORCUTT said: Not sometimes. Thats always. The entire world is insecure. A trip is whats going on in your head. How cool are you with yourself? Do you control the thoughts, or are you along for the ride?
Most of the time you are along for the ride, thats the point. Trying to control your thoughts is what causes bad trips imo. Ever heard someone say not to fight it? Trying to control your thoughts while tripping is fighting it. Just go with the flow.
Unless the flow is completely irrational, and potentially dangerous. The flow can take over, and propel one into the bad trip. Control the flow, and let it downstream in the direction you want.
YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO CONTROL THE FLOW.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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TORCUTT said: Not sometimes. Thats always. The entire world is insecure. A trip is whats going on in your head. How cool are you with yourself? Do you control the thoughts, or are you along for the ride?
Most of the time you are along for the ride, thats the point. Trying to control your thoughts is what causes bad trips imo. Ever heard someone say not to fight it? Trying to control your thoughts while tripping is fighting it. Just go with the flow.
Unless the flow is completely irrational, and potentially dangerous. The flow can take over, and propel one into the bad trip. Control the flow, and let it downstream in the direction you want.
YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO CONTROL THE FLOW. 
But you can direct it in a positive direction! During one of my earlier experience I started to fear what I was seeing. I was able to change the music I had on, and go into a different setting. I pulled myself from the dark thoughts and into the light, and continued to float down that beautiful river of insight, and self realization.
I wouldn't say I tried to control the flow, but point it in a positive direction.
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Re: A little update, and about to trip (: [Re: Jacobap23]
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Exactly.
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