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Medical problem - seizure/convulsions
    #22272902 - 09/22/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was hoping to get some advice or maybe some information that is more helpful than the lack thereof provided by the hospital my friend and I wasted our time at yesterday.

My friend has spent the last two and a half days convulsing, that is her body is shaking uncontrollably. It speeds up and slows down intermittently and can become quite vigorous and for the most part has not subsided apart from a couple of intervals and seems to subside while she is sleeping although she has been doing it in her sleep today also. This has not happened before and after a number of tests done at the hospital the doctor said it may be a form of dystonia. They did not offer anything to help, they just said to come back again in a week if it has not subsided. Upon further research into the cause I was reading about how heavy metals such as mercury can build up and cause things similar and as she has been eating a lot of fish I thought it may be a possibility. She has also been eating a lot of fruits and vegetables lately in an effort to eat healthily and I had been reading a few brief things about pesticides and seizures however I have not really found anything that relates to the duration of the condition. I have also read about marine toxins and as we had both eaten squid for dinner the day before she started experiencing this and we had both felt slightly unpleasant I thought that may be another possibility. The thing is, what seemed to trigger it was smoking cannabis. We have smoked a few times together before so it's nothing out of the ordinary, however the effects for her were rather strange. She had only smoked a little bit before she coughed and started to experience an intense cannabis 'trip' in which she had seen things from her dreams and matched them to their origins and other unusual things like that, as well as convulsing for it's duration. I had not experienced anything out of the ordinary and although it was of unknown origin as she had received it from a friend I don't think it could have been the cause, the doctor also said it would not have caused it however it seemed to trigger it as it happened directly after.

Has anyone experienced anything like this? Is there anything I can give her? She is extremely fatigued from the convulsions and they are causing her pain. As I said the hospital wasn't very helpful, regarding heavy metals in the blood they said they didn't test for that in that hospital which I thought was rather outrageous. I will inquire about that tomorrow but other than that I don't know what to do.

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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22272911 - 09/22/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you sure it was real weed?

Could have been a synthetic cannabinoid I've heard of people seizing on that shit.

Also if you have been using 25 nbome at all I've heard of shit like that.

I have never heard of People convulsing on real cannabis though, never even heard of it.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22272924 - 09/22/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nervines!

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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: MichAnon.ael]
    #22272934 - 09/22/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://livingafield.com/Actions.htm#Nervine

I have heard of this recently with weed..


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22272937 - 09/22/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Does she take any medications for psychiatric problems? Some antipsychotics are notorious for causing muscle twitching and jerking.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
    #22272947 - 09/22/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Regardless, she should see her primary care physician who can refer her to a neurologist who will have a much better understanding of these problems than some attending physician in an ER.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed] * 1
    #22272958 - 09/22/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It can be the weed. I dunno what causes it, but I have a friend who can't smoke weed for pretty much the same reason. He takes one or two hits (of schwagg, this was long before the shit that is widely available today) and starts having convulsions and seizure like events. His eyes flutter and his "nerves" constantly jolt. It usually subsided after 6 or so hours. I have never seen a single other person have this reaction, but he did. Seems kinda rare, but it does happen.

I have nothing beyond that to offer.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22272974 - 09/22/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cbd compounds in weed are actually used to tames seizures in some individuals, I think it's safe to rule out the weed but you never know.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22272994 - 09/22/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

drugs trigger shit:shrug:


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #22273010 - 09/22/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Cbd compounds in weed are actually used to tames seizures in some individuals, I think it's safe to rule out the weed but you never know.



Seizures are a pretty broad symptom caused by many things. It may be effective in some cases or situations, but that doesn't mean it won't make another worse or even flat out cause it. I don't have a medical background nor have I devoted countless hours studying it's effects in a wide range of individuals. All I can offer is what I've seen. What my friend experiences when he smokes weed is magnitudes beyond "getting too high" or something. The only thing that really sets it apart is he's able to speak (although that is kind of degraded as well, he can only speak in short bursts and simple yes or no's). It's bad enough that we pretty much picked up the phone to call 911 over it. The only reason we didn't is he said he was okay. Even after that, we were still worried, but he kept talking so I didn't. I trusted that he was okay like he said.

He has a VERY adverse reaction to weed. Nothing else does that to him, he's even an ex meth user. It's not as if he's a virgin to mind altering substances. Him and weed combined just make something that looks a lot like someone having a seizure and completely debilitates him.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22273017 - 09/22/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It was real weed, it was a bud and I had smoked it. Aside from that she doesn't take drugs, I mean at least she wouldn't have confused it with nbome.

She had taken Effexor (venlafaxine) twice about a month ago but decided not to continue with it. I know that stuff has a rather long half life but it was a month and only two pills.

I know antipsychotics can cause that (lithium being a heavy metal) thats why I suspected Mercury in the first place.

I will get her some nervine relaxants tomorrow and see how it goes.

Yes, most of the stuff I looked up was about how cannabis could help seizures however thats kind of the opposite of what happened.

I just don't know why it's lasting so long.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22273270 - 09/22/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It was real weed, it was a bud and I had smoked it. Aside from that she doesn't take drugs, I mean at least she wouldn't have confused it with nbome.

She had taken Effexor (venlafaxine) twice about a month ago but decided not to continue with it. I know that stuff has a rather long half life but it was a month and only two pills.

I know antipsychotics can cause that (lithium being a heavy metal) thats why I suspected Mercury in the first place.

I will get her some nervine relaxants tomorrow and see how it goes.

Yes, most of the stuff I looked up was about how cannabis could help seizures however thats kind of the opposite of what happened.

I just don't know why it's lasting so long.





Effexor needs to be banned, that drug is way to dangerous to be giving to anyone especially kids.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
    #22273298 - 09/22/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not to sidetrack the thread, but why do you think Effexor is dangerous?


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
    #22273305 - 09/22/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like the whole situation is fucked man I would advise seeming a doctor ASAP.
The info I have on this is a friend of mine who used to take Nbomes all the time started having convulsions and seizures quite often.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22273306 - 09/22/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I will get her some nervine relaxants tomorrow and see how it goes.

Yes, most of the stuff I looked up was about how cannabis could help seizures however thats kind of the opposite of what happened.

I just don't know why it's lasting so long.




dont go with some holistic/alternative medicine horse shit, seriously. have her see a doctor

best case, this was nothing

worst case, she finds she has a serious health problem but at least it is found earl enough to treat


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
    #22273317 - 09/22/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Effexor needs to be banned, that drug is way to dangerous to be giving to anyone especially kids.






marijuana should be banned, it makes people stupid and kids could use it


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22273340 - 09/22/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It was real weed, it was a bud and I had smoked it. Aside from that she doesn't take drugs, I mean at least she wouldn't have confused it with nbome.

She had taken Effexor (venlafaxine) twice about a month ago but decided not to continue with it. I know that stuff has a rather long half life but it was a month and only two pills.

I know antipsychotics can cause that (lithium being a heavy metal) thats why I suspected Mercury in the first place.

I will get her some nervine relaxants tomorrow and see how it goes.

Yes, most of the stuff I looked up was about how cannabis could help seizures however thats kind of the opposite of what happened.

I just don't know why it's lasting so long.





Effexor needs to be banned, that drug is way to dangerous to be giving to anyone especially kids.



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Dionili said:

Effexor needs to be banned, that drug is way to dangerous to be giving to anyone especially kids.






marijuana should be banned, it makes people stupid and kids could use it





Yeah yeah priz, just doing your thang eh? lol


I watched effexor destroy my friends body and mind. when he started taking it his personality disappeared, and he started flipping out that most drugs would no longer take effect on him, a YEAR later the effexor started giving him seizures, his doctors finally weened him off the stuff, he refused to take any thing else and is now leading a normal functional life.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
    #22273384 - 09/22/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dionili said:
Quote:

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Dionili said:

Effexor needs to be banned, that drug is way to dangerous to be giving to anyone especially kids.




marijuana should be banned, it makes people stupid and kids could use it





Yeah yeah priz, just doing your thang eh? lol





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I watched effexor destroy my friends body and mind. when he started taking it his personality disappeared, and he started flipping out that most drugs would no longer take effect on him, a YEAR later the effexor started giving him seizures, his doctors finally weened him off the stuff, he refused to take any thing else and is now leading a normal functional life.





the same can be said of that devil's weed you children smoke, I've seen the same
thin happen to people smoking weed, they start worshiping 420 as if it's
something significant, they start dressing like hippies and they say some
incredibly stupid shit, they flip out when someone mentions it and go on a rant
about how some pharmaceutical did it to their friend


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22273405 - 09/22/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what did the person eat before it happened?

do they drink?


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: micro]
    #22273489 - 09/22/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a link about pesticide exposure:

http://www.organicauthority.com/health/how-do-you-know-if-you-have-pesticide-poisoning-3-warning-signs-not-to-ignore.html

Did she have any headaches or get sweaty or anything else weird before or during the seizures? It's hard to guess at anything without more info.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #22273592 - 09/22/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, she's almost certainly not having seizures.

Sounds more like some kind of dyskinesia or myoclonus. There's also a chance this isn't a physical problem but a psychological one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskinesia

https://www.dystonia-foundation.org/what-is-dystonia/forms-of-dystonia/secondary-dystonia/drug-induced/more-on-drug-induced
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A number of drugs are capable of causing dystonia. In most cases, people develop an acute dystonic reaction resulting after a one-time exposure. Symptoms may include intermittent spasmodic or sustained involuntary contractions of muscles in the face, neck, trunk, pelvis, and extremities. The symptoms are usually transient and may be treated successfully with medications such as Benadryl (diphenhydramine).





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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
    #22273657 - 09/22/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^ That seems like a solid point. If she can talk and do stuff while this is happening, then it's probably not a seizure. It's also lasting a long time for a seizure. A doc should be able to do an EEG and look for any brain activity that would suggest seizures.

2.5 days of convulsions is a long time. I'd get an appointment with a  neurologist if I were her.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22274051 - 09/22/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dont go with some holistic/alternative medicine horse shit, seriously. have her see a doctor

best case, this was nothing

worst case, she finds she has a serious health problem but at least it is found earl enough to treat




She already saw the doc..

"This has not happened before and after a number of tests done at the hospital the doctor said it may be a form of dystonia. They did not offer anything to help, they just said to come back again in a week if it has not subsided" -OP

Sounds like they ran up a huge fucking bill and said good luck..

But yes, dont trust the plants and herbs and natural medicines that have been with humanity for ages..

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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: MichAnon.ael]
    #22277093 - 09/23/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There are different types of seizures, the fact her muscles are contracting would define it as a seizure.

"The term "seizure" is often used interchangeably with "convulsion." Convulsions occur when a person's body shakes rapidly and uncontrollably. During convulsions, the person's muscles contract and relax repeatedly".

I don't see the problem with holistic medicine either, just because it's not been extracted by a drug company and sold at an inflated price with a label doesn't mean it's illegitimate.

One other point of information is that she suffers from anxiety, however the days leading up to it she had been very cheerful so I didn't think it was psychological.

I will also say that although she was fine then the week earlier she had had a bit of an 'episode' (depressive). She had been prescribed Phenergan (promethazine) - belongs to a group of drugs called phenothiazines. It works by changing the actions of chemicals in your brain. Promethazine also acts as an antihistamine. It blocks the effects of the naturally occurring chemical histamine in your body. It was prescribed as a sleep aid. She had also been prescribed Oxazepam. During the episode she had taken two of each, went to sleep for an unknown amount of time and took two more of each when she woke up.

Does anyone have experience with Phenergan? I was reading about it's side effects and it did have seizures listed.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22277115 - 09/23/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And an update: it has not subsided.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22277147 - 09/23/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have experience with it, but not enough to really tell you much about it. I know I've taken it and know several other people who have with no issues. That's by itself and actually used as medical treatment. I know quite a few other people who have drank lean and they didn't really have issues either.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22277249 - 09/23/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus Christ, she's taking a drug that is notorious for causing dystonia (promethazine)
( I specifically asked earlier today if she was taking any drugs for psychological conditions.)

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814632-overview

Stop taking it immediately, call the prescribing doctor immediately so he can prescribe the appropriate medication to stop the dystonia. Actually...Benadryl is the treatment for this type of dystonia 50mg - With treatment, motor disturbances resolve immediately, but they can reoccur over subsequent days until the promethazine had cleared the body.

BTW, these are not seizures. Completely different mechanism.

It is FUCKING unbelievable that the doctors at the hospital missed this. The FIRST question they should have asked seeing her symptoms would be: Is she taking any neuroleptic medications?


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22277269 - 09/23/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sometimes get the shakes when I am very over-tired.  It is definitely not seizures.  I have actually not had it happen in a long time.  I'm not sure what eliminated it, but I suspect it was a combination of things.  I think it was definitely part psychological in that it was almost always related to stress.

Sometimes I don't even really know what's bothering me, and it will kinda build up inside, and I'll start shaking like I'm cold.  I could definitely seem cheerful and still be suffering from anxiety, even around people I like.  Happened ever sine I was young and was usually accompanied by bouts of insomnia and anxiety.  Certain drugs definitely seem to exacerbate it tho, and excessive weedsmoking is definitely up there.

Your friend sounds maybe worse than my problems, but I think regardless a holistic approach would be beneficial.  If you are hanging out maybe make sure you do relaxing things and just be supportive and encourage her to take care of herself.  I'm not saying that you're causing it, as I don't know her, but just make sure not to smother :wink: for me at least peace and quiet is often the cure.  For some people it is like medicine, as well as good friends who are willing to be understanding such as yourself.

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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #22277280 - 09/23/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's the medication she was prescribed.

Promethazine increases the activity of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction. It's not even in the brain, it's happening at the muscle itself.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22277294 - 09/23/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pris, I often enjoy your banter; but sometimes you come off as a real tool. :facepalm:


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
    #22277300 - 09/23/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the medication she was prescribed.

Promethazine increases the activity of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction. It's not even in the brain, it's happening at the muscle itself.




If this is a new thing to her, then I think you're probably right.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22277521 - 09/23/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

She had taken Phenergen a few times but she had not taken it for five days before the incident and it was for sleep, not psychological conditions (is an inability to sleep a psychological condition? Maybe...). She has not taken it since and it was not regular. She said when she started taking it she did experience some twitching in her thumb but this is her whole body and recently it has developed to her speech. The half life would suggest it should have cleared long before the incident. I may try Benadryl. (the cough medicine?)

Edit: It turns out Benadryl is different in Australia and the recommended chemical (diphenhydramine) is unavailable here. I'd like to take this opportunity to say thanks to the geniuses responsible, you guys are doing a wonderful job regulating substances in our country, what would we do without you?

Like I said she has anxiety but I don't think it was related as she said she had been feeling well for the days up to it and I have done nothing for the last four days but assist her and try to get her to relax. Although she has been in a bad state she seems fairly positive.

A tea made from chamomile, lemon balm, valerian root and skullcap was given, she said it relaxed her but after it as I mentioned the condition seemed to extend to her speech.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22277552 - 09/23/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Insomnia is definitely a huge stressor.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #22277578 - 09/23/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

She doesn't have insomnia, just had a little trouble sleeping sometimes. You know what these GP's are like, prescribing things for the most minor of ailments. I actually recommended her not take it as I didn't think she needed it.

Either way she said she had been sleeping quite well that week.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
    #22277883 - 09/23/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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She doesn't have insomnia, just had a little trouble sleeping sometimes. You know what these GP's are like, prescribing things for the most minor of ailments. I actually recommended her not take it as I didn't think she needed it.

Either way she said she had been sleeping quite well that week.





If you need benedryl i'll send it to you.


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    #22278161 - 09/23/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That is really weird. Everyone should have some benedryl in their home. It can save your life if you have a severe allergic reaction.


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
    #22278303 - 09/23/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That is really weird. Everyone should have some benedryl in their home. It can save your life if you have a severe allergic reaction.





Girlfriend is crazy allergic to stings. keep an epi pen too


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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
    #22280719 - 09/23/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the offer of the Benedryl, it'll take some time to send though so I'll see what the doctor has to say and if I need it i'll let you know.

Thanks for all the responses.


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