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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#22273592 - 09/22/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, she's almost certainly not having seizures.
Sounds more like some kind of dyskinesia or myoclonus. There's also a chance this isn't a physical problem but a psychological one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskinesia
https://www.dystonia-foundation.org/what-is-dystonia/forms-of-dystonia/secondary-dystonia/drug-induced/more-on-drug-induced
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A number of drugs are capable of causing dystonia. In most cases, people develop an acute dystonic reaction resulting after a one-time exposure. Symptoms may include intermittent spasmodic or sustained involuntary contractions of muscles in the face, neck, trunk, pelvis, and extremities. The symptoms are usually transient and may be treated successfully with medications such as Benadryl (diphenhydramine).
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
#22273657 - 09/22/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^ That seems like a solid point. If she can talk and do stuff while this is happening, then it's probably not a seizure. It's also lasting a long time for a seizure. A doc should be able to do an EEG and look for any brain activity that would suggest seizures.
2.5 days of convulsions is a long time. I'd get an appointment with a neurologist if I were her.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22274051 - 09/22/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
dont go with some holistic/alternative medicine horse shit, seriously. have her see a doctor
best case, this was nothing
worst case, she finds she has a serious health problem but at least it is found earl enough to treat
She already saw the doc..
"This has not happened before and after a number of tests done at the hospital the doctor said it may be a form of dystonia. They did not offer anything to help, they just said to come back again in a week if it has not subsided" -OP
Sounds like they ran up a huge fucking bill and said good luck..
But yes, dont trust the plants and herbs and natural medicines that have been with humanity for ages..
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#22277093 - 09/23/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are different types of seizures, the fact her muscles are contracting would define it as a seizure.
"The term "seizure" is often used interchangeably with "convulsion." Convulsions occur when a person's body shakes rapidly and uncontrollably. During convulsions, the person's muscles contract and relax repeatedly".
I don't see the problem with holistic medicine either, just because it's not been extracted by a drug company and sold at an inflated price with a label doesn't mean it's illegitimate.
One other point of information is that she suffers from anxiety, however the days leading up to it she had been very cheerful so I didn't think it was psychological.
I will also say that although she was fine then the week earlier she had had a bit of an 'episode' (depressive). She had been prescribed Phenergan (promethazine) - belongs to a group of drugs called phenothiazines. It works by changing the actions of chemicals in your brain. Promethazine also acts as an antihistamine. It blocks the effects of the naturally occurring chemical histamine in your body. It was prescribed as a sleep aid. She had also been prescribed Oxazepam. During the episode she had taken two of each, went to sleep for an unknown amount of time and took two more of each when she woke up.
Does anyone have experience with Phenergan? I was reading about it's side effects and it did have seizures listed.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
#22277115 - 09/23/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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And an update: it has not subsided.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
#22277147 - 09/23/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have experience with it, but not enough to really tell you much about it. I know I've taken it and know several other people who have with no issues. That's by itself and actually used as medical treatment. I know quite a few other people who have drank lean and they didn't really have issues either.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Shroomslip]
#22277249 - 09/23/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ, she's taking a drug that is notorious for causing dystonia (promethazine) ( I specifically asked earlier today if she was taking any drugs for psychological conditions.)
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814632-overview
Stop taking it immediately, call the prescribing doctor immediately so he can prescribe the appropriate medication to stop the dystonia. Actually...Benadryl is the treatment for this type of dystonia 50mg - With treatment, motor disturbances resolve immediately, but they can reoccur over subsequent days until the promethazine had cleared the body.
BTW, these are not seizures. Completely different mechanism.
It is FUCKING unbelievable that the doctors at the hospital missed this. The FIRST question they should have asked seeing her symptoms would be: Is she taking any neuroleptic medications?
Edited by koods (09/23/15 01:47 AM)
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
#22277269 - 09/23/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sometimes get the shakes when I am very over-tired. It is definitely not seizures. I have actually not had it happen in a long time. I'm not sure what eliminated it, but I suspect it was a combination of things. I think it was definitely part psychological in that it was almost always related to stress.
Sometimes I don't even really know what's bothering me, and it will kinda build up inside, and I'll start shaking like I'm cold. I could definitely seem cheerful and still be suffering from anxiety, even around people I like. Happened ever sine I was young and was usually accompanied by bouts of insomnia and anxiety. Certain drugs definitely seem to exacerbate it tho, and excessive weedsmoking is definitely up there.
Your friend sounds maybe worse than my problems, but I think regardless a holistic approach would be beneficial. If you are hanging out maybe make sure you do relaxing things and just be supportive and encourage her to take care of herself. I'm not saying that you're causing it, as I don't know her, but just make sure not to smother for me at least peace and quiet is often the cure. For some people it is like medicine, as well as good friends who are willing to be understanding such as yourself.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#22277280 - 09/23/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's the medication she was prescribed.
Promethazine increases the activity of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction. It's not even in the brain, it's happening at the muscle itself.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22277294 - 09/23/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pris, I often enjoy your banter; but sometimes you come off as a real tool.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
#22277300 - 09/23/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: It's the medication she was prescribed.
Promethazine increases the activity of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction. It's not even in the brain, it's happening at the muscle itself.
If this is a new thing to her, then I think you're probably right.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22277521 - 09/23/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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She had taken Phenergen a few times but she had not taken it for five days before the incident and it was for sleep, not psychological conditions (is an inability to sleep a psychological condition? Maybe...). She has not taken it since and it was not regular. She said when she started taking it she did experience some twitching in her thumb but this is her whole body and recently it has developed to her speech. The half life would suggest it should have cleared long before the incident. I may try Benadryl. (the cough medicine?)
Edit: It turns out Benadryl is different in Australia and the recommended chemical (diphenhydramine) is unavailable here. I'd like to take this opportunity to say thanks to the geniuses responsible, you guys are doing a wonderful job regulating substances in our country, what would we do without you?
Like I said she has anxiety but I don't think it was related as she said she had been feeling well for the days up to it and I have done nothing for the last four days but assist her and try to get her to relax. Although she has been in a bad state she seems fairly positive.
A tea made from chamomile, lemon balm, valerian root and skullcap was given, she said it relaxed her but after it as I mentioned the condition seemed to extend to her speech.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
#22277552 - 09/23/15 06:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Insomnia is definitely a huge stressor.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: moonrockmushy]
#22277578 - 09/23/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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She doesn't have insomnia, just had a little trouble sleeping sometimes. You know what these GP's are like, prescribing things for the most minor of ailments. I actually recommended her not take it as I didn't think she needed it.
Either way she said she had been sleeping quite well that week.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Hoaxed]
#22277883 - 09/23/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hoaxed said: She doesn't have insomnia, just had a little trouble sleeping sometimes. You know what these GP's are like, prescribing things for the most minor of ailments. I actually recommended her not take it as I didn't think she needed it.
Either way she said she had been sleeping quite well that week.
If you need benedryl i'll send it to you.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili] 1
#22278161 - 09/23/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is really weird. Everyone should have some benedryl in their home. It can save your life if you have a severe allergic reaction.
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: koods]
#22278303 - 09/23/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: That is really weird. Everyone should have some benedryl in their home. It can save your life if you have a severe allergic reaction.
Girlfriend is crazy allergic to stings. keep an epi pen too
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Re: Medical problem - seizure/convulsions [Re: Dionili]
#22280719 - 09/23/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the offer of the Benedryl, it'll take some time to send though so I'll see what the doctor has to say and if I need it i'll let you know.
Thanks for all the responses.
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