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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #22471608 - 11/03/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What if I voted yes on 2 and 3? I want weed legal with no monopoly and no monopoly men running it.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #22471647 - 11/03/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What if I voted yes on 2 and 3? I want weed legal with no monopoly and no monopoly men running it.



Than vote no on 2 and yes on 3 it's not really a monopoly like people may think.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #22471666 - 11/03/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It says right on the ballot that it's a monopoly.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: jewunit] * 1
    #22471678 - 11/03/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It says right on the ballot that it's a monopoly.



Based on the fact that they own and regulate the grow sites but anyone can lease the land from them plus they will add more if needed. I didn't see the word monopoly on the ballot myself.  No one would care if other dates had something different.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #22471689 - 11/03/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It says right on the ballot that it's a monopoly.



Based on the fact that they own and regulate the grow sites but anyone can lease the land from them plus they will add more if needed. I didn't see the word monopoly on the ballot myself.  No one would care if other dates had something different.



I oppose a cartel/monopoly running things. Its better now with individuals taking their chances growing and profiting than to let a fascist cartel/monopoly take it over.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #22471697 - 11/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pa media taking a fucking fit,, OMGS LEGAL MARIJUANA RIGHT NEXT DOOR .. what a bunch of cock sucks :blowme:


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #22471700 - 11/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It says right on the ballot that it's a monopoly.



Based on the fact that they own and regulate the grow sites but anyone can lease the land from them plus they will add more if needed. I didn't see the word monopoly on the ballot myself.  No one would care if other dates had something different.



I oppose a cartel/monopoly running things. Its better now with individuals taking their chances growing and profiting than to let a fascist cartel/monopoly take it over.



You can still grow at home though. You don't have to buy from them.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #22471788 - 11/03/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It really isn't a monopoly, you're right, but it's also a stupid thing to argue over.

If you don't want to grow you have to buy from a store that has to buy from one of the 10 manufacturers, or have a friend share one ounce with you. They can share eight ounces if you get the appropriate license.

Even if they increase the manufacturers it's still just going to be more of the same people. If you wanted to get into commercial growing, too bad. All of the investors were required by Responsible Ohio to donate $2 million. The people who own these places are multimillionaires. Former athletes, entertainers, wealthy doctors, etc.

The manufacturers can also set the prices at whatever they want, and the stores cannot sell them for less than what they purchase for. They don't really need to compete, they can just "agree" to sell high and no one can do anything about it because no one else can enter the market.

Additionally, the manufacturers are assigned counties. So it's a pretty safe bet that the manufacturer here in Franklin county will have a corner on the Columbus market. Same for Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) and Hamilton County (Cincinnati).

So if the initial 10 grow sites aren't enough, the commission can choose to allow more FOUR YEARS later, and even then it will just be more of the same people.

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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: jewunit] * 1
    #22471809 - 11/03/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Its not 10 manufacturers its 10 sites anyone can lease from to grow to sell to a dispensary


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #22471838 - 11/03/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes there are 10 sites that are owned by people and are the only ten places commercial marijuana will be grown. You think they're just gonna lease them out to anyone? You are out of your mind.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: jewunit]
    #22471860 - 11/03/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes there are 10 sites that are owned by people and are the only ten places commercial marijuana will be grown. You think they're just gonna lease them out to anyone? You are out of your mind.



I had a friend already apply to lease i guess we'll see what happens.

Edit: i would hope they wouldn't let just anyone grow with in reason of course.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 1
    #22471874 - 11/03/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not really sure where you're getting this information either.

http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative,_Issue_3_(2015)
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The amendment would create 10 Marijuana Growth, Cultivation and Extraction (MGCE) facilities. These 10 facilities would have exclusive rights to commercial production; it was this aspect of the amendment that led the Ohio General Assembly to add the competing Issue 2 to the ballot.

The MGCE facilities would be run independently to prevent collusion, as required by the Sherman Antitrust Act. There would be no vertical integration of marijuana businesses, meaning that those who cultivated the plants could not also sell directly to the public.[4]

Property owners agreed to let the 300 people that each facility expects to employ unionize and collectively bargain.[5]

Each MGCE facility has at least one investor, some of whom are local celebrities:[4]

Former 98 Degrees singer Nick Lachey
Former Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Frostee Rucker
Dayton pain specialist Suresh Gupta
WEBN radio host Frank Wood
Barbara Gould, a philanthropist based in Indian Hill
University of Cincinnati basketball star Oscar Robertson
Paul Heldman, former general counsel of The Kroger Co.
Woody Taft, a descendant of President William Howard Taft




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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: jewunit]
    #22471886 - 11/03/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

When do you find out if it passes


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: jewunit] * 1
    #22471907 - 11/03/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not really sure where you're getting this information either.

http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative,_Issue_3_(2015)
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The amendment would create 10 Marijuana Growth, Cultivation and Extraction (MGCE) facilities. These 10 facilities would have exclusive rights to commercial production; it was this aspect of the amendment that led the Ohio General Assembly to add the competing Issue 2 to the ballot.

The MGCE facilities would be run independently to prevent collusion, as required by the Sherman Antitrust Act. There would be no vertical integration of marijuana businesses, meaning that those who cultivated the plants could not also sell directly to the public.[4]

Property owners agreed to let the 300 people that each facility expects to employ unionize and collectively bargain.[5]

Each MGCE facility has at least one investor, some of whom are local celebrities:[4]

Former 98 Degrees singer Nick Lachey
Former Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Frostee Rucker
Dayton pain specialist Suresh Gupta
WEBN radio host Frank Wood
Barbara Gould, a philanthropist based in Indian Hill
University of Cincinnati basketball star Oscar Robertson
Paul Heldman, former general counsel of The Kroger Co.
Woody Taft, a descendant of President William Howard Taft







http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/10/medical_marijuana_research_cen.htmlTuesday's announcement highlights the ability of those investors to lease part or all of their land to growers, researchers, and other marijuana establishments. When Northeast Ohio Media Group asked ResponsibleOhio in August whether entrepreneurs would be able to lease space in the indoor growing facilities, its spokeswoman declined to comment.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: SnowDaze] * 1
    #22471909 - 11/03/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I HATE the specifics of this bill, but I voted No on 2 Yes on 3 today.

Voting yes on 2 would fuck with the casinos too, so I was gonna vote no anyway.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: D.M.T]
    #22471914 - 11/03/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt 2 will pass or 3


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: D.M.T]
    #22471918 - 11/03/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I sold land to the investor that wants to grow weed in Clermont County like a decade ago, and have worked with him on a few occasions. Maybe we're tight enough I can get in on the action somehow.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #22471922 - 11/03/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Right, so the owners of the facility can choose if they want to lease them out or not. It's not simply that anyone who wants to lease can.

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I HATE the specifics of this bill, but I voted No on 2 Yes on 3 today.

Voting No on 2 would fuck with the casinos too, so I was gonna vote no anyway.



No it wouldn't, the casinos are already in place. Issue 2 makes it so things basically have to go through a two step process in order to get voted in. Things that are already voted in won't be effected. At least that's my understanding of it.


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: SnowDaze]
    #22471924 - 11/03/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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When do you find out if it passes



Soon. Polls close at 7:30 (an hour).


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Re: Issue 3 in Ohio: Marijuana Legalization. On Ballot November 3rd [Re: D.M.T]
    #22471925 - 11/03/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty confused on this bill


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