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champinhom
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the value of a big bad trip 2
#22271893 - 09/21/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you ride it out without running mad or calling 911 and checking yourself into psychiatric ward or trying to hang yourself or some other such panic stricken shenanigan, you will have a new confidence. You will not be such an easy mark for every passing dread. Even death will not be able to spook you like it did before. When things start getting really shitty you will say to yourself, "Hey, I can handle this; it may be bad but nowhere near as bad as that trip was."
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22271908 - 09/21/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you sure that's how that works
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champinhom
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Shroomsh]
#22271943 - 09/21/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomsh said: Are you sure that's how that works 
Let's just say, it can work that way. I have had bad trips. I am grateful to them. At the same time, I try my goddamdest to avoid them.
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22271948 - 09/21/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol yeah I know what you mean. I think all bad trips are great learning experiences for everyone, you just need the time and the sight to see it. but then again who the hell wants a bad trip?
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22271976 - 09/21/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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champinhom said: if you ride it out without running mad or calling 911 and checking yourself into psychiatric ward or trying to hang yourself or some other such panic stricken shenanigan, you will have a new confidence.
Just take benzos if it's that bad. I am strongly against people going to ER over a bad trip, it's over kill, you will be fine in 8 hours every one is. If you really cant take it take a benzo. And FFS don't kill yourself. I ride out bad trips myself, but it's a stretch to say I learned anything from it. All I learned is bad trips suck.
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Shroomsh]
#22272016 - 09/21/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like nothing will be as bad as this one really high dose/bad trip I had (15ish grams), but that doesn't give me confidence that I can take on rest of life easy. I returned to baseline and feel mostly the same as I would if I hadn't take that one HUGE dose. I could imagine some people would have a changed mindset so enormous that "Hey, I can handle this; it may be bad but nowhere near as bad as that trip was." could apply. Reflecting on the experience I do feel that way, but it is fleeting and I have to deal with problems in the now. Your mind changes and only you can change it, not purely an experience.
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champinhom
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: my3rdeye]
#22272034 - 09/21/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said:
I ride out bad trips myself, but it's a stretch to say I learned anything from it. All I learned is bad trips suck.
I agree with all my heart. Still, you will admit that having weathered a bad one without, so to speak, coming unglued has meant something to you. I mean, you are at least a little more panicproof.
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22272604 - 09/22/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should add that my not seeing any value in a bummer doesn't mean that you won't. The whole experience is highly subjective, what I think is shit may be great to others. My major problem with bad trips is after I had one I had two more in a row. I took it as a sign from the acid gods that it was break time and I took a few years off. I am still slightly biased in that regard, my first instinct when someone says they had a bummer is advise them to take a break. I guess the other side of coin is fear and the memory of a bad trip can grow while you are not tripping. It becomes the epic thing. Maybe some people should hop right back on that horse. Everyone is different. In my experience the biggest reason people quit psychedelics is they had a really fucked up trip. People don't usually stop doing drugs that are fun, even people with kids. You always hear the cliche "you got the message so you hung up the phone". That's not the reason most people stop in my experience. They don't get bored with it either. Most people quit because bad trips are fucking scary. Terance Mckenna the great spokesperson for our cause had a bad mushroom trip in the late 80s and got scared off too. I swear it happens to so many people. Stick around long enough you will see all your friends stop.
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: my3rdeye]
#22272635 - 09/22/15 04:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good advice. But, I tripped several times and never had a bad trip before... this could be good because I might not be needed a bad trip to learn a lesson, or bad because if I get a bad trip it will caught me very unguarded, I might know this soon though...
I have a feeling that Ayahuasca has some tough healing time for me, where blocked memory/emotions will be released and maybe re-exposed, i do not know. I have been asking lady Aya for weeks for healing everything within me, with all it takes... And while this was planned months ago, the ceremonies are this Friday and Saturday.... I know that the healing part is going to be a terrifying and maybe at some times, hurtful trip, to heal it, vomit it, release it, and then raise my energy to a higher vibration and so, the intensity of the trip turning out into be an amazing wisdom and blissful trip.
So we will see 
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my3rdeye said: In my experience the biggest reason people quit psychedelics is they had a really fucked up trip. People don't usually stop doing drugs that are fun, even people with kids. You always hear the cliche "you got the message so you hung up the phone". That's not the reason most people stop in my experience. They don't get bored with it either. Most people quit because bad trips are fucking scary. Terance Mckenna the great spokesperson for our cause had a bad mushroom trip in the late 80s and got scared off too. I swear it happens to so many people. Stick around long enough you will see all your friends stop.
My wife. She had a very nice mushroom trip, but the comedown it was super rough to her. I know she will shroom in the future, but not sure when. Weed was nice to her the first two times, and the third time, she got a pretty bad trip (that also caused my trip to be tough, but I was able to control it, knowing it was just my wife's fear being exposed) And now she does not want weed. She is afraid of Mary She only loves Mary because she removes my chronic pain, but she will just still to the CBD oils.
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Edited by AkashicExplorer (09/22/15 04:54 AM)
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: my3rdeye]
#22274671 - 09/22/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said, my3rdeye. I came back to lovely psychedelic experiences after a year and half break. I ate mushrooms a few times right after my really bad trip. I gave it weeks then months, and it was the same scary journey each time. Not nearly as scary as the first bad trip. Psychedelics have been nothing but beautiful since I began again. I drink my mushroom tea slowly, over the course of about an hour, and that eases the come up. I have been eating them for a year now. Hope I keep up the positive relationship I've developed I ain't pulling a Terrance Mckenna if I can help it.
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Vartousky]
#22274806 - 09/22/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some of the trips I have learned the most from were "bad" or just really intense causing me to black out. That last part didn't help 
I hesitate to use the word bad, intense, non recreational, those all sound better to me. It is only bad if you don't get anything out of it
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22274821 - 09/22/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you survive the flu are you a better person? There is no inherent value in a bad trip. Get strong by never being sick.
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Love_spirit]
#22274842 - 09/22/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is value in whatever we put it into 
I would rather learn a lesson from an intense trip then just let it be unpleasant.
You can actually make "bad" trips "good" that way
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: champinhom]
#22275819 - 09/22/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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champinhom said: if you ride it out without running mad or calling 911 and checking yourself into psychiatric ward or trying to hang yourself or some other such panic stricken shenanigan, you will have a new confidence. You will not be such an easy mark for every passing dread. Even death will not be able to spook you like it did before. When things start getting really shitty you will say to yourself, "Hey, I can handle this; it may be bad but nowhere near as bad as that trip was."
definitely agree with this!
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Shroomsh
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I would be very interested in hearing how this ayahuasca goes for you.
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Shroomsh
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Love_spirit]
#22276118 - 09/22/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doesn't getting sick bolster your immune system? Not getting sick makes you more susceptible when you do actually become ill.
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musiclover420 said: Some of the trips I have learned the most from were "bad" or just really intense causing me to black out. That last part didn't help 
I hesitate to use the word bad, intense, non recreational, those all sound better to me. It is only bad if you don't get anything out of it 
......non recreational .....good stuff Bro...!
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Love_spirit]
#22276165 - 09/22/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: When you survive the flu are you a better person? There is no inherent value in a bad trip. Get strong by never being sick.
...yes....it's improves your natural immunity....genetically...less likely to get sick in future
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Vartousky]
#22276573 - 09/22/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vartousky said: I feel like nothing will be as bad as this one really high dose/bad trip I had (15ish grams), but that doesn't give me confidence that I can take on rest of life easy. I returned to baseline and feel mostly the same as I would if I hadn't take that one HUGE dose. I could imagine some people would have a changed mindset so enormous that "Hey, I can handle this; it may be bad but nowhere near as bad as that trip was." could apply. Reflecting on the experience I do feel that way, but it is fleeting and I have to deal with problems in the now. Your mind changes and only you can change it, not purely an experience.
Yup, I have been through things so horrific (like long term high dose benzo withdrawal) that you would think Id find the rest of life insanely easy but thats not how I experience it. Instead, I find the memory of the worst parts of withdrawal is mostly blocked from my day to day awareness and instead I am absorbed in the challenges of the now and not thinking so much about all that I have survived in the past. I can draw on that sometimes, but thats actually not even an experience I like to think about so when I need strength I actually prefer to draw on more pleasant thoughts, like my faith in God's providence. I find God to be a much greater fountain of strength than any past experience because I don't need to reference memory to draw strength from Him. God is always present in the now.
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: Love_spirit]
#22276799 - 09/22/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: When you survive the flu are you a better person? There is no inherent value in a bad trip. Get strong by never being sick.
The opposite, getting sick and better again gives you the antibodies so next time your body just laughs at the flu, antibodies which are then passed on to your offspring.
If people never get sick they have a lot of antibodies already and good genes.
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champinhom
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Re: the value of a big bad trip [Re: my3rdeye]
#22276805 - 09/22/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: I am still slightly biased in that regard, my first instinct when someone says they had a bummer is advise them to take a break.
Yes, I agree. That is my instinct, first and always. Back off. Lower the dose. Increase the interval between uses.
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my3rdeye said: Terance Mckenna the great spokesperson for our cause had a bad mushroom trip in the late 80s and got scared off too. I swear it happens to so many people. Stick around long enough you will see all your friends stop.
Mckenna, he of the heroic dose. I have no interest in heroic doses. In my opinion that is not courting a bad trip, that is a ticket to a psychotic break. I am not talking about psychotic breaks here.
I think the big study done at, was it Johns Hopkins?, determined that doses above 3.5 are the ones that can lead to the hell realms. 3.5 is where people max their benefit. I don't ever go higher than that.
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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