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Smudging tobacco
    #22271308 - 09/21/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I have been smudging tobacco lately after growing some from seed. I don't smoke tobacco but I have been reading on its ceremonial uses a bit lately.

I know a lot of people addicted to nicotine including my mom and felt I should start trying to establish a healthy relationship with it.

What I do is take a dried leaf a just light it like incense then sort of half blow on it/ inhale while sending positive thoughts out to the universe.

The first few times I didn't really feel anything besides maybe a bit grounded and uplifted. Earlier I inhaled a bit more than before and got a bit of a buzz.

It was a bit mild though and blended nicely with a bit of kratom and cannabis.

I want to try drying some properly to either make pipe tobacco or a better incense then plain dried leaves. I have been enjoying it though.

Anyone have experience with ceremonial tobacco use?


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271358 - 09/21/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

tobacco gets a shit name from big corperation and the media but its an amazing plant

good for you OPizzle


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271407 - 09/21/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it is pretty fucked up how people tend to use it like the opposite of how natives did. Most people abuse the shit out of it which is considered very disrespectful.

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336 said:
I have my own ceremony with tobacco and so does my brother.
I swear it helps with meditation. I often send out positive thoughts and thanks when smoking the tobacco as I let out the smoke.

P.S. I think it's fucking awesome you grew your own tobacco plant. I heard it takes a long ass time. You have pics?




Yeah I could see how it could go great with meditation when used properly! I had like no issues growing mine. I actually neglected the shit out of them. Left them in pretty small pots so they ll stayed pretty small, still got some decent sized leaves. They dried out a bunch since they were in smaller pots but always bounced back when I watered them. They did get white flies pretty bad but since I am not intending to smoke it really it doesn't matter.

Though I did try to use leaves with no white fly larvae to dry for incense, and I wiped off some on the leaves with just a lil.

I don't have any pics but honestly they look pretty sad, I collected seed though so after the winter I get to try again!


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271716 - 09/21/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyone have experience with ceremonial tobacco use?





would smoking contests be considered ceremonial because that was far more common than actual ceremonies.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22271735 - 09/21/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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would smoking contests be considered ceremonial because that was far more common than actual ceremonies.





With who? Native Americans?

Tobacco is sacred in many cultures, I am sure you know how they all used it and have done the math to say for sure which was done more :rolleyes:

Of course it is very addictive and is commonly abused by natives and westerners alike... That is not the point of this thread, clearly.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271772 - 09/21/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What is that from? Reminds me of scary movie 3 with the rap battle scene :lol:


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271819 - 09/21/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Back when eminem was actually any good.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271825 - 09/21/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:

would smoking contests be considered ceremonial because that was far more common than actual ceremonies.





With who? Native Americans?




native american is pretty offensive


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Tobacco is sacred in many cultures, I am sure you know how they all used it and have done the math to say for sure which was done more :rolleyes:




which cultures? like asian or african cultures? I'm sure those rtaditions went
back thousands of years

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Of course it is very addictive and is commonly abused by natives and westerners alike... That is not the point of this thread, clearly.





which other cultures were using tobacco as a ceremonial sacrament? the fist
nations people have had traditions dating back as far as their history of
consumption of tobacco well outside of ceremonies. dont go researching on the
internet thinking that it was strictly used for 'shamanic' purposes


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22271889 - 09/21/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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dont go researching on the
internet thinking that it was strictly used for 'shamanic' purposes




:thefuckisthis:

Who said that? :lol:

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which other cultures



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I'm sure those rtaditions went back thousands of years




Here are some random quotes:

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Tobacco had already long been used in the Americas, with some cultivation sites in Mexico dating back to 1400–1000 BC.




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Many Native American tribes traditionally grew and used tobacco as an entheogen. Eastern North American tribes carried tobacco in pouches as a readily accepted trade item, and often smoked it in peace pipes, either in defined sacred ceremonies, or to seal a bargain.[5] They smoked it at such occasions in all stages of life, even in childhood.[6] They believed that tobacco is a gift from the Creator, and that the exhaled tobacco smoke carries one's thoughts and prayers to the Creator.




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Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum and Nicotiana rustica), or picietl in nahuatl, was also used among the Aztecs. This plant was identified on the Xochipilli statue as well as on other items such as snuff boxes. The Aztec smoked and chewed tobacco, and possibly drank infusions of the plant to induce visions. Certain rites and ceremonies required the use of tobacco.




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Tobacco has been used for many generations as offerings to the spirits, for planting, for gathering food, for healings and for ceremonies. The sacred uses of tobacco are different for many tribes but a basic truth remains, tobacco should be used for prayer, protection, respect and healings. Tobacco is medicine. The meaning of medicine can be translated according to perceptions, i.e. power from the creator and/or knowledge of self. 




Yuki Tobacco Use:
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.Sometimes an old man and his wife smoked a little before going to bed, and old men might smoke when gathered in the dance house listening to someone tell stories. Smoking was done only at night, and was not considered an everyday affair.




Costanoan Mutsen Tobacco Use:
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They stuffed some little sticks into the end on which they sucked so the tobacco would not get into their mouths, they stuffed them in but there was always space where the air could get through. The used to smoke the torepas only in the evening time, it was like a devotion, their belief.




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During the last forty years most of the traditional use of native tobacco has diminished. However, at present there are a small number of Yurok and Karuk peoples planting and tending tobacco gardens.  We must reaffirm our beliefs system so that we can provide a greater depth of knowledge of the sacred herb. 




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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271919 - 09/21/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so you're saying it was all the indigenous people of this continent which are the other cultures

that still doesnt refute that tobacco was used far more frequently outside of
ceremonial purposes. tobacco was a trade item, it was gifted to the elders of
a family by their guests. it was very common for people to smoke pipes, it is
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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22271929 - 09/21/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I used to grow nicotiana rustica and take a bong rip of it once in awhile. It would literally knock my ass to the ground. The rush from that shit is so strong you'll think you're dying. It never gave me the sickening dizzy feeling I got from commercial tobacco. It's like the companies take the good qualities out and infuse it with sickness instead. The chemical fertilizers used also contain an abundant amount of toxic metals, and tobacco concentrates polonium 210. This is why it causes cancer, not only lung but also mouth and throat cancers when not smoked. It's a powerful plant and a very toxic plant too. You can die from simply using tobacco leaves as a poultice against your skin. Deliriants and stimulants aren't my thing really and I'm allergic to all nightshades anyway.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #22271949 - 09/21/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I used to grow nicotiana rustica and take a bong rip of it once in awhile. It would literally knock my ass to the ground. The rush from that shit is so strong you'll think you're dying. It never gave me the sickening dizzy feeling I got from commercial tobacco. It's like the companies take the good qualities out and infuse it with sickness instead. The chemical fertilizers used also contain an abundant amount of toxic metals, and tobacco concentrates polonium 210. This is why it causes cancer, not only lung but also mouth and throat cancers when not smoked. It's a powerful plant and a very toxic plant too. You can die from simply using tobacco leaves as a poultice against your skin. Deliriants and stimulants aren't my thing really and I'm allergic to all nightshades anyway.





tobacco doesnt cause cancer, it's a contributor in people that have the genetic
predisposition, if tobacco caused cancer then everyone that has ever smoked would
have lung, throat and/or mouth cancer

seafood contains polonium 210, does seafood cause cancer?


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #22271951 - 09/21/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22271956 - 09/21/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I never denied any of those points... This is a thread to discuss ceremonial tobacco use, I never argued either use is more common then the other.

How about contributing to this thread or going somewhere else to argue with people :lol: Seems like you just popped in here to be dissenting.

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I used to grow nicotiana rustica and take a bong rip of it once in awhile.




I never understood tobacco bong rips, seems like a easy way to over due it. Plus I am sure it is horrible on the lungs. I agree about commercial stuff though.

My mom and a lot of the people I know who smoke only smoke quality stuff at least. My ex used to smoke cheap ghetto stuff that smelled like burning plastic to me :puke:


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22271963 - 09/21/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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passifloracaerulea said:
I used to grow nicotiana rustica and take a bong rip of it once in awhile. It would literally knock my ass to the ground. The rush from that shit is so strong you'll think you're dying. It never gave me the sickening dizzy feeling I got from commercial tobacco. It's like the companies take the good qualities out and infuse it with sickness instead. The chemical fertilizers used also contain an abundant amount of toxic metals, and tobacco concentrates polonium 210. This is why it causes cancer, not only lung but also mouth and throat cancers when not smoked. It's a powerful plant and a very toxic plant too. You can die from simply using tobacco leaves as a poultice against your skin. Deliriants and stimulants aren't my thing really and I'm allergic to all nightshades anyway.





tobacco doesnt cause cancer, it's a contributor in people that have the genetic
predisposition, if tobacco caused cancer then everyone that has ever smoked would
have lung, throat and/or mouth cancer




You should learn to read. He is saying it doesn't, the synthetic things used to grow it do... Which is pretty much fact as far as I am concerned.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #22271974 - 09/21/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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336 said:
Quote:

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so you're saying it was all the indigenous people of this continent which are the other cultures

that still doesnt refute that tobacco was used far more frequently outside of
ceremonial purposes. tobacco was a trade item, it was gifted to the elders of
a family by their guests. it was very common for people to smoke pipes, it is
in fact what was stuffed in those peace pipes



What does it matter if they smoked recreationally more often than ceremonially?

Why do you hate on the tribes so much?
It's like you're ashamed of who you are.
Which would be really sad if you are.




where am I hating on the first nations?

I just find it funny when someone decides they're an internet shaman


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271994 - 09/21/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Pris, are you Canadian? I've only heard Canadians use that term.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22271995 - 09/21/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

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passifloracaerulea said:
I used to grow nicotiana rustica and take a bong rip of it once in awhile. It would literally knock my ass to the ground. The rush from that shit is so strong you'll think you're dying. It never gave me the sickening dizzy feeling I got from commercial tobacco. It's like the companies take the good qualities out and infuse it with sickness instead. The chemical fertilizers used also contain an abundant amount of toxic metals, and tobacco concentrates polonium 210. This is why it causes cancer, not only lung but also mouth and throat cancers when not smoked. It's a powerful plant and a very toxic plant too. You can die from simply using tobacco leaves as a poultice against your skin. Deliriants and stimulants aren't my thing really and I'm allergic to all nightshades anyway.





tobacco doesnt cause cancer, it's a contributor in people that have the genetic
predisposition, if tobacco caused cancer then everyone that has ever smoked would
have lung, throat and/or mouth cancer




You should learn to read. He is saying it doesn't, the synthetic things used to grow it do... Which is pretty much fact as far as I am concerned.





so why then does seafood contain polonium 210, is it because we fertilized the
entire ocean? it would have been so diluted it wouldnt accumulate in any
sufficient quantity to measure in fish

lead 210 is the source of polonium 210, not fertilizer. he's still wrong

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Polonium-210 in tobacco contributes to many of the cases of lung cancer worldwide. Most of this polonium is derived from lead-210 deposited on tobacco leaves from the atmosphere; the lead-210 is a product of radon-222 gas, much of which appears to originate from the decay of radium-226 from fertilizers applied to the tobacco soils.[47][110][111][112][113]

The presence of polonium in tobacco smoke has been known since the early 1960s.[114][115] Some of the world's biggest tobacco firms researched ways to remove the substance—to no avail—over a 40-year period. The results were never published.[47]




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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272023 - 09/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You say I'm wrong but then quote some source that says polonium 210 does come from the fertilizers? Wake the fuck up dude:rolleyes:.
Seafood does give a lot of people cancer. But the tobacco plant CONCENTRATES polonium 210 in the same manner that opium poppies concentrate otherwise harmless levels of cadmium from the soil into harmful concentrations.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272024 - 09/21/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm native, and I smoke tobacco ceremonially and for prayer.  N. Rustica is what was used traditonally by the natives of the US and Canada. N tabucum originates in honduras, and that area. It was preferred because it has bigger harvests.

Tobacco is seen as something that is a connection to the spirit world. Offerings were made when people needed spiritual help. Whether it was through dried leaf layed out or through smoking it(occasionally both).


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Achillita]
    #22272049 - 09/21/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:

Thanks for the input, I find the natives beliefs around it very fascinating.

Especially considering how commonly abused it is now a days :sad:

I didn't say I knew anything about that pris, I was just pointing out you were arguing the same thing basically :lol:

I am not sure about that metal or whatever but many synthetic fertilizers are very fucked up and I have heard crazy #s for how many chemicals are in commercial tobacco.

It is no wonder it causes cancer, especially with how people abuse it.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272052 - 09/21/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

336 said:
Maybe I'm wrong. Just seems like whenever they get brought up you find whatever opportunity you can to demean them and shit on them. :shrug:





maybe you would be better off actually reading my posts instead of reading into it
what you want. I may correct people on their distorted views of indian culture but
that doesnt mean I'm bashing indians, it means I'm correcting something that's
being spread as bullshit which I do an a myriad of topics. the indians were not
some great conservationists that used every part of an animal when they killed it,
sure, they used a great bit and a great deal of an animal was used but the same
people that caused the extinction of the mammoth in north america, the same that
used the hunting technique of running huge herds of bison over cliffs in order to
have a more successful hunt to feed a few thousand people, it was wasteful but
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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272075 - 09/21/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the same
people that caused the extinction of the mammoth in north america




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They lived from the Pliocene epoch (from around 5 million years ago) into the Holocene at about 4,500 years ago




:thefuckisthis:

So our saying they were the same almost 5,000 years ago then they were say several hundred years ago when Europeans first showed up to learn about them?

:lol: :rolleyes:

Think of how much has happened in just the past 100 years, let alone 1000, or 4,500...

More fucked up shit has happened in the past couple hundred years at the hands of people all over the world.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272087 - 09/21/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It honestly matters what natives you're talkng about. They vary wildly in different parts of the US. Using every part(or at least the majority) was very common in many native tribes. I can tell you what each part of the animal was used as.

But natives were only human and did make mistakes, there are tons of misconceptions of natives. In the south east(where my tribe originated) many tribes, including my own, over hunted deer because of the leather trade. My tribe ended up putting laws about overkilling deer. I'm pretty sure it was one of the first laws about over hunting.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272111 - 09/21/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mapacho is a bundle of nicotiana rustica leaves that are wrapped up together for curing. If you google mapacho and do a little digging, I'm sure you could find info on the method of curing it.

Mapacho is very popular in Peru among many different types of shamans including ayahuasqueros and huachumeros (San Pedro cactus shamans). Mostly used for smudging but can be smoked or made into snuff or tincture.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272122 - 09/21/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
:thumbup:

Thanks for the input, I find the natives beliefs around it very fascinating.

Especially considering how commonly abused it is now a days :sad:

I didn't say I knew anything about that pris, I was just pointing out you were arguing the same thing basically :lol:




you guys use ceremonial and traditional, traditionally it was abused, even by
children, ceremonial use was common within a few nations such as the algonquin
where they frowned on it's use outside of ceremony of some sort. a ceremony
could be something as simple as a trade or a small gathering or a wedding

little distinctions such as the type of ceremony clarifies a lot


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I am not sure about that metal or whatever but many synthetic fertilizers are very fucked up and I have heard crazy #s for how many chemicals are in commercial tobacco.




yet another myth

here's the ingredients of a pack of marlboro
http://www.altria.com/our-companies/philipmorrisusa/our-products-and-ingredients/Documents/cigarettes/Marlboro%20Ingredients.pdf

wanna know what a lot of the 'chemikillz' are, they're many of the same that are
released/converted when combustion of any plant matter takes place including the
marijuana that people hold so dear... that huge list of thousands of additives
they teach you to fear are what's found as a compilation of all cigarettes from
all over the world, it's not what's found in a single cigarette and the list also
includes the breakdown of chemicals naturally present and through combustion

I wonder why they dont break down fruits the same way, there are dozens of
chemicals found in a banana, why isnt there a fear of them?




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It is no wonder it causes cancer, especially with how people abuse it.




your post caused cancer in california


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272125 - 09/21/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no youre not speaking out of yer piehole prisoner1 is just hateing cuz hes from gringoria

his ancestors chewed khat and ate yak testicals


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272135 - 09/21/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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336 said:
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Maybe I'm wrong. Just seems like whenever they get brought up you find whatever opportunity you can to demean them and shit on them. :shrug:





maybe you would be better off actually reading my posts instead of reading into it
what you want. I may correct people on their distorted views of indian culture but
that doesnt mean I'm bashing indians, it means I'm correcting something that's
being spread as bullshit which I do an a myriad of topics. the indians were not
some great conservationists that used every part of an animal when they killed it,
sure, they used a great bit and a great deal of an animal was used but the same
people that caused the extinction of the mammoth in north america, the same that
used the hunting technique of running huge herds of bison over cliffs in order to
have a more successful hunt to feed a few thousand people, it was wasteful but
effective



Still we've had the natives get brought up in a few topics since I joined and every time you always have something negative to say instead of positive. Even if you're just trying to correct people's misconceptions the way you do it especially when it comes to the natives always seems to involve negativity. IMO

But maybe I'm speaking out of my ass. :shrug: lol





maybe you need to show me but also understand that sometimes the truth isnt pretty


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: musiclover420]
    #22272140 - 09/21/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Naw you're right. I'm usually too late to the argument to say anything though.

Natives has so many misconceptions towards them though. But pris, tobacco wasn't abused in any way that it is today. But it depends completely on the tribe. Some tribes advocated daily smoking, others very seldom.

My tribe and nearly every tribe in the south east would smoke tobacco seldomly(although through late colonial times it became more common for daily use). Tribal Council meetings, meetings with other tribes to establish peace, meetings with other tribes to establish war alliances, when soliciting supernatural aid, and also on informal occasions, such as meeting a friend on the trail.


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22272142 - 09/21/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Mapacho is a bundle of nicotiana rustica leaves that are wrapped up together for curing. If you google mapacho and do a little digging, I'm sure you could find info on the method of curing it.

Mapacho is very popular in Peru among many different types of shamans including ayahuasqueros and huachumeros (San Pedro cactus shamans). Mostly used for smudging but can be smoked or made into snuff or tincture.




Thanks, will try to remember to look into that.

I was reading up on the ferment cure method where you wrap or stack the leaves so it takes them longer. Not sure how much more I will harvest this year.

If I get much more I will definitely give that a try to make some smudge sticks :thumbup:


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it's not what's found in a single cigarette and the list also
includes the breakdown of chemicals naturally present and through combustion




I don't think anyone ever said otherwise...

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I wonder why they dont break down fruits the same way, there are dozens of
chemicals found in a banana, why isnt there a fear of them?





Because I eat organic bananas :tongue2: This is getting old real fast man. Just stop.

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your post caused cancer in california




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You literally have just been arguing against others opinions this whole time, please go argue elsewhere if that is what you seek :leaving:


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #22272184 - 09/21/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
But pris, tobacco wasn't abused in any way that it is today. But it depends completely on the tribe. Some tribes advocated daily smoking, others very seldom.





there wasnt 7 billion people and distribution networks that could deliver tobacco
to even the most remote villages of central mongolia on a daily basis 500 years
ago either




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My tribe and nearly every tribe in the south east would smoke tobacco seldomly(although through late colonial times it became more common for daily use). Tribal Council meetings, meetings with other tribes to establish peace, meetings with other tribes to establish war alliances, when soliciting supernatural aid, and also on informal occasions, such as meeting a friend on the trail.




and also when making deals and also when discussing news and politics among
themselves and even when just relaxing and talking bullshit, the Cherokee and
Creek traded more for tobacco than they grew but many were also growers of
tobacco, if you go to the Qualla Boundary you'll find at least a hundred homes
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    #22272194 - 09/21/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I just get the vibe that your more out their to be "on the white man's team" then to educate and correct people. Which would be more-or-less understandable given the past few hundred years some of the whites have used to demean native culture and to convince everyone they were savage, primitive, and stupid.

The whole movement to try and deify natives is obviously an overboard attempt to counter all the hate and negativity that has been spread about native culture.

IMO of course.




that's your own perceptions, maybe you have some bias that wants you to read what I
say as negative, maybe it's your own negativity showing thorough, I know that we
dont hold many of the same opinions which would certainly affect how you view my
posts but i speak frankly, I dont like to mince words and sugar coat things


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    #22272199 - 09/21/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The daily smoking of tobacco became much more common after European influence. And because europeans began getting natives to grow N Tabacum(comercial tobacco) compared to the traditionally used N Rustica. Tobacco growing became very popular since they could grow and get traded beads, weapons, metal, ect.

Trade networks were pretty extensive through out ancient america. Although I get your point :lol:


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Re: Smudging tobacco [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22276464 - 09/22/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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wanna know what a lot of the 'chemikillz' are, they're many of the same that are
released/converted when combustion of any plant matter takes place including the
marijuana that people hold so dear... that huge list of thousands of additives
they teach you to fear are what's found as a compilation of all cigarettes from
all over the world, it's not what's found in a single cigarette and the list also
includes the breakdown of chemicals naturally present and through combustion

I wonder why they dont break down fruits the same way, there are dozens of
chemicals found in a banana, why isnt there a fear of them?






I'm glad somebody finally saidit! I'm so tired of hearing "Dude, Tobacco's not bad for you, it's the chemicals they put in it" or "Marijuana contains x number of chemicals!"

Everything is full of chemicals. That's how the world works.


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