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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272891 - 09/22/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Inb4 huge amount of pasted stories where the home owner was killed.
OMG THERE IT IS! 
No, those are people who were accidentally shot with guns that were supposed to protect them. There are dozens per month. How many successful self defense incidents are there?
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Shroomslip]
#22272898 - 09/22/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Only if you could go back in time and erase guns from history and then manage to stop anyone who came close to inventing them.
Guns are a pandora's box. Once they're out, they're out. There is no stopping it. As long as the basic concept exists, people will always be able to obtain them. If they're illegal, it only makes it a little harder for criminals to get them, but criminals do not give one shit about the law, so saying "you can't legally own a gun" does not prevent them from having them.
They're out there, they are not going away.
This is a totally different issue. This is about whether having a gun at home makes your family safer or not. Look how many people are accidentally shot with their own, or their parents, or their friends parents guns compared to the number of people who use their gun to thwart a robbery or home invasion - and even those numbers are going to be misleading because we don't know how those situation would have ended up if the homeowner didn't have a gun.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
#22272903 - 09/22/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly.
a lot of gun owners I know are racist bigot assholes and get hammered and shoot there guns off while they rev up their trucks.
So im kinda biased on the whole thing.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22272917 - 09/22/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Wow the parents left an 11 year old at home with a four year old, and a gun? wtf is wrong with people.
11 year olds can be responsible enough.
WTF is wrong with you for assuming this one wasn't?
I'm not questioning the 11 year old, I'm question the parents who left an 11 year old alone to take care of a four year old.
And let's be honest, which is more likely to happen if an 11 year old by is left home alone with access to a gun - that he will successfully defend his home against an intruder or he accidentally shoots himself or his sister or his friend that wants to see the gun because that is exactly what 11 year old boys do.
The reason that story is unusual is because things worked out for the best. How many stories are there where a kid like that ends up hurting or killing himself or someone else?
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
#22272923 - 09/22/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Same difference.
And couldn't tell you (sure someone else will though). Although the answer to that argument would be kind of pointless unless you can prove those people had basic training with guns. Idiots injure themselves all the time with tools they haven't taken the time to familiarize themselves with. If you wanna tack on a stipulation that someone must attend some basic training before owning one, I'm all for it. But for all I know all those stories are of idiots who don't know the first thing about them.Quote:
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Shroomslip said: Only if you could go back in time and erase guns from history and then manage to stop anyone who came close to inventing them.
Guns are a pandora's box. Once they're out, they're out. There is no stopping it. As long as the basic concept exists, people will always be able to obtain them. If they're illegal, it only makes it a little harder for criminals to get them, but criminals do not give one shit about the law, so saying "you can't legally own a gun" does not prevent them from having them.
They're out there, they are not going away.
This is a totally different issue. This is about whether having a gun at home makes your family safer or not. Look how many people are accidentally shot with their own, or their parents, or their friends parents guns compared to the number of people who use their gun to thwart a robbery or home invasion - and even those numbers are going to be misleading because we don't know how those situation would have ended up if the homeowner didn't have a gun.
Kind of like the statistics you love to throw out that include suicides in gun deaths. As if those people couldn't or wouldn't have killed themselves another way.
We don't or more accurately shouldn't, live in a world of "what ifs". If you're okay with banking on the home intruder not killing you, and don't want to own a gun that's fine. I'd rather have option. Having a gun isn't based on what if's, it's just being prepared/having the option. You're living in what if land when automatically assume everything will be fine in that situation. I'm not just paranoid, I have a legitimate reason to be afraid my front door will be kicked in by a madman who has actually attempted to kill me in the past. I hear my door get kicked in, I'm grabbing my gun that is locked in a safe and fully loaded, takes me about 2 seconds to access, and am coming out ready to shoot. Not blindly shoot, be ready to shoot. I know to identify targets first and I have plenty of room to do so, even caught by surprise. I also actually have video of SWAT and dozens of cops surrounding the house across the street when they finally caught a group of dangerous robbery suspects breaking into the house. I don't live in a great neighborhood, that shit happens here.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
#22272930 - 09/22/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22272933 - 09/22/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet you like killing things for sport
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
#22272936 - 09/22/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Wow the parents left an 11 year old at home with a four year old, and a gun? wtf is wrong with people.
11 year olds can be responsible enough.
WTF is wrong with you for assuming this one wasn't?
I'm not questioning the 11 year old, I'm question the parents who left an 11 year old alone to take care of a four year old.
And let's be honest, which is more likely to happen if an 11 year old by is left home alone with access to a gun - that he will successfully defend his home against an intruder or he accidentally shoots himself or his sister or his friend that wants to see the gun because that is exactly what 11 year old boys do.
The reason that story is unusual is because things worked out for the best. How many stories are there where a kid like that ends up hurting or killing himself or someone else?
You don't know the kid nor the parents... correct? So I ask again...
WTF is wrong with you for assuming this one wasn't?
Untwist your knickers and stop with your bleeding heart nonsense. You look more foolish each time.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22272938 - 09/22/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, I gave up hunting decades ago.
I bet you frequently like saying stupid things.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22272964 - 09/22/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Exactly.
a lot of gun owners I know are racist bigot assholes and get hammered and shoot there guns off while they rev up their trucks.
So im kinda biased on the whole thing.
Like a street thugs from Chicago? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-weekend-shooting-totals-20150921-story.html
Last weekend "8 dead, 45 wounded".
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Actually, I gave up hunting decades ago.
I bet you frequently like saying stupid things.
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I pretty much agree with home invaders who take the risk to breaking into a home know what the risks were before they did it. They chose to risk that against fast money, their problem. I have no sympathy for them.
That said, I dunno if everyone shares my philosophy, but mine is I'm not going to wait around and see if they plan to just steal my shit and leave. Someone breaking into homes is obviously pretty desperate, there's really no telling what they're going to do.
Honestly, fuck 'em. It's not gun owners who shoot them who have no value for life, it's the thieves themselves that have no value for life. Well actually they do, and it's quite low. Hundreds maybe a thousand or two dollars. THEY put that value on their life, not the person shooting them. It's not as if they HAD to break into the house. They chose to. No one out there breaking into homes is unaware of the possible consequences.
Do you also think that people who take hostages shouldn't be shot? They knew the consequences when they did it. That's different because they've put other lives in danger? Well no it's not really. Despite their actions, you don't really know what's going through either person's head. For all anyone know that hostage taker is going to kill his victim and for all anyone knows, that burglary suspect will do the same.
Sorry, I just have no sympathy for them. I've committed a lot of crime in my life, and I always knew the possible outcomes. I still chose to do it. If the worst came to pass, I'd have to live or die with it. I made that choice long before the crime.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
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D.M.T said: You mean like this one where an 11 year old was killed by home invaders?
11-year-old shoots, kills home invader Boy's action protected sister, 4
Published: 09/04/2015 at 12:58 AM
ST. LOUIS COUNTY – A teen shot and killed Thursday by an 11-year-old has been identified.
Lamonte Streeter, 16, was shot during what police believe was a home invasion. According to Sgt. Brian Schellman, a spokesperson for the St. Louis County Police Department, the incident occurred on the 10,000 block of Hallwood Drive around 2:25 p.m.
Police believe two suspects attempted to break into the house when an 11-year-old boy inside the home picked up a loaded gun and fired one shot, striking the 16-year-old. The suspect was pronounced dead on the scene inside the home.
A second suspect ran from the scene but is now in custody.
Sgt. Schellman says two subjects approached the home twice earlier in the day, but never were able to get inside.
A 4-year-old girl was also in the home during the incident. The mother of the two children was not home during the shooting and is cooperating with the investigation.
The St. Louis County Police Department's Bureau of Crimes Against Persons is investigating.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/03/11-year-old-shoot-st-louis-county-home-invader/71665778/
Wow the parents left an 11 year old at home with a four year old, and a gun? wtf is wrong with people.
I'll tell you, some are reactionary types that fake offense and shock at anything they can, I like to call that type the 'Drama Queen', they're the type that want to make someone believe that it wold be terrible to leave a gun home alone which is why a responsible parent left a 4 year old in charge of it
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
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koods said: What would have happened to these people if they didn't have their gun? Do you really believe most of them would have been physically harmed?
I don't know that any more than you do. Should they have waited to see? 
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Meanwhile you ignore the dozens of people who are killed every month by guns that were in someone's house because they wanted to be able to defend themselves.
Moronic statement. Why would you assume I ignore it? If people are careless with their guns then they have brought the consequences onto themselves.
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It's also kind of fucked up that you feel that killing someone who breaks into your house to steal your jewelry is OK.
It's fucked up you don't.
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Nobody values life around here.
I highly value life. Just not the lives of scumbags.
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You think taking someone's life is justified if they step onto your property uninvited.
Do you never tire of saying stupid things? Do you do so IRL? Can people stomach your repeatedly saying stupid things?
I don't have a problem with people stepping onto my property, it's when they enter my house uninvited that the gun would come out. How sad for you that you can't distinguish between the two.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so the moral of the story is non violent people who break into homes should wear gopro's from now on ?
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Salomon]
#22273061 - 09/22/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salomon said: I BET YOU BOTH LIKE BOOBS

I'll admit it. I do like boobs on a womans chest.
However, I don't like the stupid things boob-ish people say .
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: makaveli8x8]
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The moral of the story is if your life really is so valuable, don't go breaking into people's houses when you damn well know it may end with you bleeding out on the floor.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
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koods said: Meanwhile you ignore the dozens of people who are killed every month by guns that were in someone's house because they wanted to be able to defend themselves.
maybe those people shouldnt have been breaking into other people's homes while they were there, it's called home invasion and it is a violent crime.
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damn koods, you never will give up on defending the rapists, pedophiles and murderers that use other criminal acts to achieve their goals, I'm not at all surprised why so many 'biggots' see gay people as just that sort of criminal
maybe their mothers should have taught them that stealing is wrong or at least to only steal from people with Obama bumper stickers because they make easy targets
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