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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22272267 - 09/22/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Home invasion always sound spooky






It sure does! This was a drug rip off. It was not random.
34 homicides for every self defence killing. I don't even see how this a debate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

Self defense with a gun is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There is nothing but data showing how idiotic the very idea of it is
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
http://www.the-broad-side.com/guns-for-self-defense-myth-versus-reality







skewed statistic, it states the FBI defines as "the killing of a felon, during
the commission of a felony, by a private citizen.". now with a first time
offender the person isnt a felon because he's never had a conviction, was travon
martin defined as a felon? he was certainly committing a felony and zimmerman,
being a citizen defended himself with a firearm and it was ruled as a justifiable
homicide by both the police and a jury but dose the FBI deem that trayvon martin
was a felon


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I don't think there are "good guys with guns". The majority of use is criminal.




so 100 million people in the US are criminals?


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272278 - 09/22/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol @ that harvard study

7. Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense.

Well no fucking shit. The laws, n tings?


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: twighead]
    #22272319 - 09/22/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the thing is, these folks want to cite the self defense homicides as the defining
factors when in reality self defense more often than not doesnt even require a shot
to be fired and in many cases the suspect is only wounded or surrenders while
others manage to flee

why dont they take those instances into account?


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22272620 - 09/22/15 04:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

bcuz gunz r bad mkaayyyy


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22272632 - 09/22/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

ITT and every other on the topic... All gun owners are criminals who use them in criminal activity because having guns for home defense/self defense is pointless as the home owner will either kill himself in the shootout, get shot by the thugs, or kill a family member. Oh and they're all psycho unstable people who will go on shooting rampages and everyone knows that crazy people cannot kill someone without a gun, it's like their kryptonite.

"Honey! I'm going to go out on a rampage, don't wait up for me"
But you can't! You gave your gun to a crack dealer for a quick fix
"FUCK! THEN JUST HOW THE HELL AM i SUPPOSED TO KILL ALL THESE PEOPLE?! My plans for tonight are just goddamn ruined"
Can't you just take the knife? Or make a bomb?
"What are you? Fucking stupid? Everyone knows guns are the only way to kill multiple people for no good reason!"
Darling, most people are too afraid when being slashed at with a knife to do anything but panic, it leaves them vulnerable
"DIDN'T YOU JUST HEAR WHAT I SAID? IT WON'T FUCKING WORK. You can't kill a bunch of people with knives.
What about your car?
"Are you fucking kidding me? Just shut up right now. Ramming my car into a group of people isn't going to do anything.."

This is the point all the anti-gun nuts point out how ridiculous of an argument it is that knives or cars can be used just as effectively as guns, and where I realize they refuse to use logic and think about anything other than "guns are bad!"


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22272641 - 09/22/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

but guns r bad


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #22272649 - 09/22/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Guns are bad when you're on the wrong end of them. Otherwise, they're great.


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #22272691 - 09/22/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

we ought to just ban black people


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #22272695 - 09/22/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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we ought to just ban black people koods




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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22272739 - 09/22/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

what I want to know is, during a home break in you pull a gun on the intruder ok.  now say they have no weapon, they put their hands up.  At this point they are clearly no threat to you, and self defense in most states says you can only shoot if your life is threatened.

So whats stopping the intruder from running out the door, because if hes running away from you, with no weapon, even if he had one and dropped it, if he runs out the door he is no threat to you and if you shoot him its man slaughter right????????


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #22272759 - 09/22/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Depends on the state. In some just breaking in is justifiable cause to use deadly force. In others you have to be acting in direct protection of someone (as in, you don't shoot they face serious harm or death). In some states you may be able to argue that they were "fair game" as long as they were still in your house, regardless of their actions, but it's kinda pushing it. The general idea of self defense is to neutralize a threat. When the person isn't a threat, you cannot shoot them. It's a really grey area though. All the shooter has to do is give reasonable evidence they believed their or someone else's life was in danger. Once they pass the threshold it becomes pretty black and white though. If you chase someone down after they flee, and kill them, it's pretty much the same as just randomly murdering them all together.

As long as you can give a reasonable argument that you felt your life was in danger and the only thing you could do to prevent harm was shoot them, you're in the clear. People have gotten away with a lot less, but I would not gamble on it.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: D.M.T]
    #22272824 - 09/22/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You mean like this one where an 11 year old was killed by home invaders?

11-year-old shoots, kills home invader

Boy's action protected sister, 4


Published: 09/04/2015 at 12:58 AM

ST. LOUIS COUNTY – A teen shot and killed Thursday by an 11-year-old has been identified.

Lamonte Streeter, 16, was shot during what police believe was a home invasion. According to Sgt. Brian Schellman, a spokesperson for the St. Louis County Police Department, the incident occurred on the 10,000 block of Hallwood Drive around 2:25 p.m.

Police believe two suspects attempted to break into the house when an 11-year-old boy inside the home picked up a loaded gun and fired one shot, striking the 16-year-old. The suspect was pronounced dead on the scene inside the home.

A second suspect ran from the scene but is now in custody.

Sgt. Schellman says two subjects approached the home twice earlier in the day, but never were able to get inside.

A 4-year-old girl was also in the home during the incident. The mother of the two children was not home during the shooting and is cooperating with the investigation.

The St. Louis County Police Department's Bureau of Crimes Against Persons is investigating.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2015/09/03/11-year-old-shoot-st-louis-county-home-invader/71665778/




Wow the parents left an 11 year old at home with a four year old, and a gun? wtf is wrong with people.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272832 - 09/22/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't the the guy defending his house get shot? Why do people risk their lives defending property?


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272838 - 09/22/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Didn't the the guy defending his house get shot? Why do people risk their lives defending property?



it's the principle of the matter. alot of people refuse to be a victim, and are willing to risk their lives to defend that principle .


and besides, you have no idea why this stranger who may be armed is breaking into your house, whose to say they're not there to rape your children while they make you watch, and then murder all of you?


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272839 - 09/22/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm kinda disappointed.. Been waiting for your appearance and that's what you have to say? :lol:

Don't get me wrong, you know I'm pro-gun as shit, but I kinda think that's stupid as well. I have no problem with kids shooting guns, hell my 10 year old has already shot an impressive array of guns. .22 pistols, 9mm pistols, .38 revolvers, cowboy rifles, assault rifles, converted WWII SMGs replica .22 StG 44s and even a 12 gauge shotgun, but it was all done under close supervision and guidance.

I really don't care what the circumstances are, leaving a child that age within easy access of a gun is pretty stupid. I'm not against him defending his sister or the actions he took, but I do have to questions the circumstances that lead to it in the first place.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272845 - 09/22/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow the parents left an 11 year old at home with a four year old, and a gun? wtf is wrong with people.




11 year olds can be responsible enough.

WTF is wrong with you for assuming this one wasn't?



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Why do people risk their lives defending property?




Because:
A. It's nowhere near as risky as your pants-piddling self thinks.
B. Stuff is worth more than the life of scumbags.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods] * 2
    #22272865 - 09/22/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just in the past month:

http://www.kcra.com/news/candlelight-vigil-held-for-teen-killed-in-accidental-shooting/35407052

http://www.standard.net/Police-Fire/2015/09/20/Ogden-Police-13-year-old-accidentally-shot-by-younger-sister

http://www.villagelife.com/news/accidental-shooting-ends-edh-womans-life/

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/09/20/deputies-man-killed-woman-18-after-accidentally-firing-gun/

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/bessemer-police-chief-accidentally-shot-killed-whi/nndtF/

http://foxct.com/2015/09/18/woman-accidentally-shot-during-target-practice-in-preston/

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/09/birmingham_teen_accidently_sho.html

https://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/09/state_police_investigating_after_trooper_accidentally_shoots

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150914/far-rockaway/15-year-old-girl-accidentally-shot-head-by-friends-at-her-home-nypd

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-boy-11-accidentally-shot-to-death-had-lost-father-to-gun-violence-20150903-story.html

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/pinal/breaking/2015/09/08/police-say-baby-sitter-accidentally-shoots-boy/71906574/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/clark-county-teen-accidentally-shot-in-chest/nnfJW/

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Man-woman-claim-they-accidentally-shot-themselves-police-say-325397191.html

http://host.madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/madison-police-woman-accidentally-shot-by-man-cleaning-gun/article_b0dd0976-bb87-56fd-be96-aa5ddbf2bd93.html

http://myfox8.com/2015/08/30/north-carolina-pastor-killed-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-while-cleaning-gun/

http://www.wmur.com/news/girl-9-accidentally-shot-in-stomach-by-father-in-vermont/35016668

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/man-selfie-shooting/

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/29872927/16-year-old-boy-dead-in-catoosa-county-from-gunshot-wound

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/father-charged-sons-accidental-shooting-ford-city-/nnb8g/

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/weddings/71999640/lavish-new-york-wedding-ruined-after-guest-accidentally-shot

http://www.nj.com/burlington/index.ssf/2015/08/2_charged_after_teen_is_accidentally_shot_in_mt_la.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3233932/Teenager-accidentally-shot-killed-17-year-old-friend-horseplay-gun.html

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2015/09/woman_accidentally_shot_after.html

http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/accidental-shooting-reported-in-kettering/nnZBJ/

http://nbc26.tv/2015/08/25/breaking-accidental-shooting-at-w-s-hornsby-school/

http://fox43.com/2015/09/10/teen-charged-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-in-harrisburg/

http://nypost.com/2015/08/26/toddler-dies-after-accidentally-shooting-himself/

http://fox6now.com/2015/08/27/neighbor-discovers-67-year-old-man-accidentally-shot-in-chest-victim-taken-to-hospital-via-flight-for-life/

http://www.wapt.com/news/central-mississippi/5yearold-girl-accidentally-shot-by-brother-authorities-say/35101778

http://theadvocate.com/news/13321351-123/new-roads-man-kills-himself

http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article33725922.html

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/09/14/police-teen-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-leg-for-second-time-in-3-months/

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/08/31/student-gun-school-shoots-classmate-ws-hornsby

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/Cops-Boy-accidentally-shot-by-older-brother-190081.shtml

http://www.whdh.com/story/29886373/nashua-man-accused-of-accidentally-shooting-friend

http://www.douglasenterprise.net/articles/2015/09/03/news/doc55d49b22917ad795096050.txt



Wow. Some guy defended his house from home invaders and only got shot,. Totally worth it.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272877 - 09/22/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Inb4 huge amount of pasted stories where the home owner was killed.



OMG THERE IT IS! :ilold:


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: koods]
    #22272879 - 09/22/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol koods.


Seriously though why the fuck Do we need guns I could give two shits if nobody had any guns.

Seems like it would make the world safer.


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Re: Ohio Man Exchanges Gunfire with Home Invaders, Home Invaders Lose [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #22272884 - 09/22/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Only if you could go back in time and erase guns from history and then manage to stop anyone who came close to inventing them.

Guns are a pandora's box. Once they're out, they're out. There is no stopping it. As long as the basic concept exists, people will always be able to obtain them. If they're illegal, it only makes it a little harder for criminals to get them, but criminals do not give one shit about the law, so saying "you can't legally own a gun" does not prevent them from having them.

They're out there, they are not going away.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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