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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Gorlax]
    #22272134 - 09/21/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's not what people I've met from Europe tell me. I'm sure you can find shitty accounts if your read Right Wing websites and FB groups and stuff. And yeah there's no utopia, but there are ways we can change our system to make it a lot more functional and just.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22272143 - 09/21/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In sweden and denmark? Those are the countries Bernie is referencing. They have pretty high standards of living.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22272145 - 09/21/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Def don't go on any right wing websites. You can't look at a few countries and compare them to the US when we have a completely different economy and variables. Free health care would work if we produced a shit ton of gold/oil/etc and were the size of rhode island.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Gorlax]
    #22272148 - 09/21/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Free healthcare works if the government pretty much forces hospitals to cut down on the costs of medical treatment. The US has some of the highest medical costs in the world. And it's not because that's how much it actually costs.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Achillita]
    #22272206 - 09/21/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's high because it takes doctors 8 years to turn a profit. It's even worse for Surgeons who can only start turning a profit after like 12-14 years. If you think about how much debt they accumulate then it starts to make sense. Many hospitals are straight ridiculous though and those need to change.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Gorlax]
    #22272212 - 09/21/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also not to mention the inflated high price of most medical equipment and medicines.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Achillita]
    #22272226 - 09/22/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

old news, and Paul Walker beat him to it 2 years ago


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Adolin]
    #22272258 - 09/22/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bernie Sanders plan is trash. He is already posting videos on shitty websites like worldstar to get victim votes. He just rambles about how he is going to get the top 15 richest people to somehow disperse their wealth and fix the country. which makes no sense legally and will never happen.

Then he claims he will make almost everything free. College would be free, healthcare, and 15$ min wage. Simply changing the number won't do shit besides just shift inflation higher. Then you have the estimate of cost that it would cost being upwards of 18 trillion. So if we are dumb enough to elect someone who wants to double the national debt we are truly fucked. He has no chance tho imo. Way too out there and will win like 2 states (cali and washington)




Lol that forbes smear article was good huh? Good if you know nothing about how they came up with that figure. 15 trillion of it was just estimated by the article writer because congress once came up with a single payer healthcare bill that would cost 15 trill over 10 years - but then consider that America pays 3 trillion a year for health care adjusted for the current rate of increase translates to 42 trillion on healthcare in the next 10 years. So 15 trillion - even if that was the cost for the healthcare bit (which his bill would likely be way more efficient..) isn't terrible. Then also take into account you're paying a lot for private medical insurance right now.. that would be a bygone cost.
The other 3 trillion is for infrastructure and schools. Doesn't sound bad to me... And I don't think taxes (for 99% earners) would raise significantly either since he is very dedicated to closing corporate tax loopholes and subsidiaries... which are estimated to account for up to 1.6 to 2 trillion per year... that's a fuck ton right there. Then consider the tax rate on the highest bracket of earners, which in most of the US' history (of having an income tax) has gone from 94% during WWII... to 90% in the 50s... to 80-70% in the 70s... then Holy Reagan came in... and dropped it to 20%....... I think we can stand to tax billionaires a little more again, considering their wealth gain has been massive while median class income has stagnated. 

Keep in mind little factoids that completely defeat what neo-cons would like you to think.... Minimum wage in AUS is ~15$/hr and the all holy 'big mac' index that they always cry about being 9$ if they raised minimum wage here is.... Wow! Oh! A big mac is 3.92 in Australia and 4.79 on average in the US. There goes that theory.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: twighead]
    #22272272 - 09/22/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Mcdonalds is a massive corporation. The pricing of their "big mac" isn't going to reflect regular businesses that have to cough up the 15$ an hour.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Gorlax]
    #22272282 - 09/22/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a franchise in most (80%) locations, they are locally owned and ran.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22274363 - 09/22/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Most of the policies he talks about have already been very successfully implemented in other countries for decades now. The citizens of these countries rank among the happiest people on earth.



Socialism has failed everywhere.  Tell me how happy the Greeks are.  The Norwegians got away with it because of North Sea oil.  Of course a lot of people are happy.  You'd be happy too if you got taken care of withut having to work.  The problem with that is that it eventually collapses.  Every fucking time.

Trump is topped out.  He is leading because there are so many candidates and he is a unique outlier who appeals to morons.  Bush is a threat because of his money.  Unless the field gets winnowed down theer will be a brokered convention and none of the establishment Republicans will accept Trump.

Bernie the cranky commie has no shot in the general election.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: Achillita]
    #22274386 - 09/22/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In sweden and denmark? Those are the countries Bernie is referencing. They have pretty high standards of living.



Wait until they get the influx of welfare cases flooding Europe.  They had the advantage of being monolithic for a long time with a Protestant work ethic.  They are being flooded by bums.  Look at what is happening in Malmo

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150625/1023830315.html

They don't seem very happy.


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Re: Scott Walker is out of the race. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22274551 - 09/22/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

America is much more capable and has much more resources than Scandinavian countries. It's a shame more people don't believe in us.


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