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Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant.
#22269453 - 09/21/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's my 2-3 month old Sally grown from seed, the lone survivor from 10 seeds. She's been doing well in the sill of my window and I'm getting eager to train her. Judging by what I've seen and read, these plants can take quite the beating after they are established and aged, but they're very delicate as youngin's. When do you think that it is safe to try to train her with cutting?

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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22269659 - 09/21/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not an expert on s. divinorum, but I'd let that plant grow for a bit before pinching it.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: koraks]
#22271090 - 09/21/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:I'd let that plant grow for a bit before pinching it.
 Still needs to grow a while before pinching it, I think. I'd say at least let it go till it it 8-10 inches tall before doing anything. Sally will put out branches from nodes that already have a leaf on it. Don't feel like there's TOO much of a rush to pinch.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22271743 - 09/21/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said:I'd let that plant grow for a bit before pinching it.
 Still needs to grow a while before pinching it, I think. I'd say at least let it go till it it 8-10 inches tall before doing anything. Sally will put out branches from nodes that already have a leaf on it. Don't feel like there's TOO much of a rush to pinch.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22272327 - 09/22/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So is it just me...? I've grown a lot of salvia plants over the years and seen a lot of pictures online and never seen one with those hairs on the leaves. Although, I've never grown one from seed, so maybe it's a young thing? But then again, there was a poster recently who had a couple young plants grown from seed and I don't recall seeing hairs like that.
I'm wondering where the op got the seeds from? Either it's potentially an interesting mutation in his/hers seedling or maybe it's not divinorum? Everything else about the plant looks divinorum to me... But those hairs are not normal.
Edit: looking closer I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't a divinorum plant. Op, did you get the seeds froma reliable source? Divinorum seeds are really rare and I think this is a look alike.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: tdmm]
#22272474 - 09/22/15 02:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I most certainly got them from what I thought was a VERY reliable source, although that's not saying a whole bunch in this field. A quick search brought up this from the annals of botony, Oxford journals. their seedlings seem to have developing trichromatic hairs. It also says that these are only present on the very first few sets of true leaves. I guess you'll only see them right after they sprout, probably not with cuttings.
http://m.aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/93/6/763/F4.expansion
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22272506 - 09/22/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#22273574 - 09/22/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting, I stand corrected then. Carry on!
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#22274425 - 09/22/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said: They are visible on early true leaves on When's seedlings too
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21900529#21900529
Yep, true.
Some pics of blosser seedlings, which I'm 99% sure are the same genetics as OP, which btw congrats on the seedling, looking good! 
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: When]
#22277470 - 09/23/15 05:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, true.
Some pics of blosser seedlings, which I'm 99% sure are the same genetics as OP, which btw congrats on the seedling, looking good! 
I'm 99.9% sure that you're right (does that give it a 99.45% chance of being correct? lol), and thank you!
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22278135 - 09/23/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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How often are you watering it? It looks like that pot was soaked. And those trichomes are impressive!
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Oggy]
#22278334 - 09/23/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oggy said: How often are you watering it? It looks like that pot was soaked. And those trichomes are impressive!
I just mist it daily, which i did right before those pictures because i was bringing her into the sun for better detail. Sometimes I spray between the leaves a bunch of times gently right down the stalk, so I guess that could be considered "watering." When it looks like the leaf tips are going to turn brown at the tips i'll lay off the misting for a day or two.
The trichromes seem to be slightly bending today instead of standing straight up. I'm wondering if they are fading away.
I've never used or experienced salvia (however, i'm very experienced in other substances), so this plant will take that virginity from me when shes old enough.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22279149 - 09/23/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're misting it daily don't stop until you're completely sure it won't harm the plant. Even the little of changes can stress it out.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Oggy]
#22280088 - 09/23/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Call me crazy if you want (and no, I don't have pics to back it up), but I've seen trichromes on some of my plants' leaves before. They are usually very tiny and don't last long, compared to the lifetime of the leaf, but they are definitely present. I'll have to get a pic next time I notice them. I always assumed everybody's plants had them...
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22280203 - 09/23/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: Call me crazy if you want (and no, I don't have pics to back it up), but I've seen trichromes on some of my plants' leaves before. They are usually very tiny and don't last long, compared to the lifetime of the leaf, but they are definitely present. I'll have to get a pic next time I notice them. I always assumed everybody's plants had them...
I don't think you're crazy, but then again, I don't think I'm crazy either...
Lol, I'd love to see the pics though.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22280214 - 09/23/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll take some pics next time I notice them. IDK if you read, but I'm currently recovering from a sally 'crisis'... All my plants ended up taking a nosedive over the summer because I let em get too hot and too much direct sun 
Now I'm down to only the clones I made a couple weeks before. They are doing well now, but still pretty small.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22280455 - 09/23/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: I'll take some pics next time I notice them. IDK if you read, but I'm currently recovering from a sally 'crisis'... All my plants ended up taking a nosedive over the summer because I let em get too hot and too much direct sun 
Now I'm down to only the clones I made a couple weeks before. They are doing well now, but still pretty small.
Damn that sucks man, how are they doing now? This is why Ive kept mine in my mini greenhouse, it gets only an hour or two of filtered light in the morning. I decided to grow mine like in their natural habitat, high humidity and not so much light. Once it starts getting too cold though they're going into the grow tent with 400w MH, and I'll keep her misted daily.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22280619 - 09/23/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: Call me crazy if you want (and no, I don't have pics to back it up), but I've seen trichromes on some of my plants' leaves before. They are usually very tiny and don't last long, compared to the lifetime of the leaf, but they are definitely present. I'll have to get a pic next time I notice them. I always assumed everybody's plants had them...
I have noticed them too. Especially on new, smaller leaves. This kind of makes me wonder if the trichomes contain a dense source of salvinorin a/b as myself and a friend noticed an incredible relaxing feeling on a single younger, newer leaves(between 1 and 2 inches) compared to one large leaf(over 4 inches). I don't know why but it seems like the smaller the leaf the more potent it is.
I don't know about the tripping aspect, but this was all done for the instant muscle relaxing effect.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Oggy]
#22280962 - 09/23/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cowsRmeat said: Call me crazy if you want (and no, I don't have pics to back it up), but I've seen trichromes on some of my plants' leaves before. They are usually very tiny and don't last long, compared to the lifetime of the leaf, but they are definitely present. I'll have to get a pic next time I notice them. I always assumed everybody's plants had them...
I have noticed them too. Especially on new, smaller leaves. This kind of makes me wonder if the trichomes contain a dense source of salvinorin a/b as myself and a friend noticed an incredible relaxing feeling on a single younger, newer leaves(between 1 and 2 inches) compared to one large leaf(over 4 inches). I don't know why but it seems like the smaller the leaf the more potent it is.
I don't know about the tripping aspect, but this was all done for the instant muscle relaxing effect.
I'm not in the right mindset to look right now, but I believe there is information on that link I posted above (the full version of the paper) regarding salvinorin A being high in concentration within the trichromes. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22283473 - 09/24/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Taken directly from the link I posted from the Oxford journals:
• Conclusions Salvinorin A and related compounds are secreted as components of a complex resin that accumulates in the subcuticular space of peltate glandular trichomes.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Oggy]
#22285273 - 09/24/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dil8 said: Taken directly from the link I posted from the Oxford journals:
• Conclusions Salvinorin A and related compounds are secreted as components of a complex resin that accumulates in the subcuticular space of peltate glandular trichomes.
 Sounds like the presence of trichromes might suggest an extra potency...
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cowsRmeat said: Call me crazy if you want (and no, I don't have pics to back it up), but I've seen trichromes on some of my plants' leaves before. They are usually very tiny and don't last long, compared to the lifetime of the leaf, but they are definitely present. I'll have to get a pic next time I notice them. I always assumed everybody's plants had them...
I have noticed them too. Especially on new, smaller leaves. This kind of makes me wonder if the trichomes contain a dense source of salvinorin a/b as myself and a friend noticed an incredible relaxing feeling on a single younger, newer leaves(between 1 and 2 inches) compared to one large leaf(over 4 inches). I don't know why but it seems like the smaller the leaf the more potent it is.
I don't know about the tripping aspect, but this was all done for the instant muscle relaxing effect.
Are you quidding?
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22286860 - 09/25/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi Folks I'm quite pleased to report that I just became a first time steward of a few Salvia Divinorum cuttings. The look pretty healthy... about 6-8 inches tall, with well developed root balls of about 2-3" square. I believe they are Blosser? strain.
I'm going to plant them this weekend into a mix of miracle grow, coarse vermiculite, and coco coir. Probably about 1/3 each. I will also put a layer of about 1 inch perlite on the bottom of the pot for good drainage. Over all I'm shooting for a light airy potting mix that will not dry out quickly but at the same time allow for quick drainage of extra water.
Does this sound like a good strategy? I am also considering putting some holes in the sides of the pots like I do with my orchids... to facilitate good drainage and allowing some air into the soil mix. Good or bad idea?
Finally, I've been advised to use Cana A + Cana B as a fertilizer but that was based on the assumption that I would be using coir only as a substrate. Elsewhere I have read that with potting soil using Miracle Grow at regular strength every few weeks will work will to support growth. Thoughts?
Thank you for helping a noob out.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#22287141 - 09/25/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's my first time growing so I'm by no means the final say. I don't see any need for the vermiculite or coco coir in your recipe, though I don't think it will do much harm. I've also read that miracle grow on its own works wonders with this plant.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22287158 - 09/25/15 05:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you!
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#22291920 - 09/26/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: Thank you!

By miracle grow, i'm assuming you mean potting mix?
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22292578 - 09/26/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I was meaning potting mix. There are a lot of varieties out there - I think I have something called "moisture control" designed for good drainage - but also holding some amount of moisture.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#22297763 - 09/27/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mixed in some loose dirt/sand in with mine. I'm not sure if it did anything to help, but I don't think it hurt
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22313836 - 09/30/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just a quick update, she seems to be growing nicely. I've relaxed on misting daily, And have been putting water directly on the soil about every third day. It's beginning to get colder so I shut her window at night.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22315788 - 09/30/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice... that looks like a very young plant... Trichomes for the win!
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#22344595 - 10/07/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sprayed once with a highly diluted gibberellic acid solution(15-30 ppm) a few days ago. Perked her right up. Not sure if I will continue using that or not, if I do it will be like once a month or less.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22346863 - 10/07/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's lookin good.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22731620 - 01/03/16 11:23 AM (8 years, 28 days ago) |
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Here she is at 6-7 months, just about a foot tall.
What's up with the tips of the leaves?

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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: dil8]
#22731678 - 01/03/16 11:47 AM (8 years, 28 days ago) |
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Its normal for salvia plants to do that, worry if the whole leaf looks like that, but just the tip its fine. Looking good man
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: grownright]
#22733163 - 01/03/16 07:17 PM (8 years, 27 days ago) |
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That plant is very stretched. How much light does it receive?
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: Oggy]
#22745603 - 01/06/16 07:42 PM (8 years, 24 days ago) |
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Oggy said: That plant is very stretched. How much light does it receive?
 It needs more, I'm thinking.
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22745818 - 01/06/16 08:22 PM (8 years, 24 days ago) |
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Maybe even give it a boost with some seaweed extract and some fish ferts. Have you given it any fertilizer yet?
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Re: Salvia divinorum, grow tips and training the plant. [Re: grownright]
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Sally can take stronger fertilizer than most people realize. She loves Fox Farms Grow Big liquid fertilizer at full strength. I've also given her Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow A & B liquid at half strength. She will turn from pale to lush green in 2 days and grow much faster. you will see a huge different. I do this about every 2 - 3 weeks.
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