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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: stevo]
    #22269317 - 09/21/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Arctic W. Fox said:


From what I've heard, it's almost impossible to get government approval and research funding for Schedule 1 drugs in order to study them for medicinal use and get them to Schedule 2.




This is more of a funding issue. ANY phase 3 clinical trial is enormous and expensive, which is why they're always funded by pharma.

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stevo said:


The DEA themselves filed a patent for using marijuana as a neuroprotectant and antitumor drug actually.  It is still schedule 1.





A patent isn't a clinical trial. I can patent whatever I want, and most companies will patent a drug simply based on its structure.


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Invisiblekoraks
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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269349 - 09/21/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)




Please show me the meth plant.

Don't bother with the horse semen though. I think I can picture that.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks]
    #22269358 - 09/21/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What are you talking about horse semen is made in laboratories


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22269359 - 09/21/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it's grown naturally but extracted in labs.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks]
    #22269362 - 09/21/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koraks said:
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Salomon said:
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)




Please show me the meth plant.

Don't bother with the horse semen though. I think I can picture that.






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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22269364 - 09/21/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:glorious:


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks] * 1
    #22269386 - 09/21/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
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koraks said:
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MysticMoteToter said:
thats found naturally..



Yeah alright, but this here is a pretty weak argument.



tobacco- grown naturally
cocaine- grown naturally and extracted
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)
alcohol- grown naturally via yeast excrement
opiates- grown naturally
sclopamine- grown naturally
horse semen- grown naturally
coffee- grown naturally.




Cocaine must be further processed from cocoa leaf to make it cocaine...it also requires the use of tone of chemicals to do it, same with everything on there aside from horse semen, coffee and some tobaccos (even though most tobacco is seriously processed to the point where conventional cigs shouldnt even be considered tobacco. Even scopalmine* needs to be extracted from the datura plant to be strong enough to not have to eat a shit ton of seeds. You are either extremely unable to get the concept of what a natural drugs is. i.e. it grows from the ground and is ready as is or you're a very bad troll.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks]
    #22269409 - 09/21/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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koraks said:
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Salomon said:
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)




Please show me the meth plant.

Don't bother with the horse semen though. I think I can picture that.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegalia_berlandieri

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S. berlandieri contains a number of diverse alkaloids, the most plentiful of which are N-methylphenethylamine, tyramine, and phenethylamine.[3] The total alkaloid content in dried leaves has been reported to be in the range 0.28-0.66%.[8] In a recent study, researchers identified thirty-one alkaloids in samples of plant foliage, including trace amounts of four amphetamines previously known only from laboratory synthesis: amphetamine, methamphetamine, para-hydroxyamphetamine and para-methoxyamphetamine. Other trace alkaloids include nicotine, and mescaline (found in many cacti but infrequently in other plants).[3] The same group of researchers later reported finding most of the same alkaloids in A. rigidula, a related species also native to the Southwestern U.S.[9] There are no reports in the literature of these findings having been repeated, however, leading to the suggestion that they resulted from cross-contamination or were possibly artifacts of the analytical technique.[10]




i honestly don't see how you could accidentally extract meth out of a tree,


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: stevo]
    #22269441 - 09/21/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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stevo said:I wonder how mushrooms would size up though penaltywise.    Everyone Ive known to get busted with cocaine serves a 10 year sentence.  There's been a few people here caught with mushrooms, cultivating them even, and they still post.




I got caught with 2 lbs back in mass and a few thousand in cash...

There wasn't any trafficking charge for mushrooms in Mass though, at least not then (this was like 13 or 14 years ago) and I got it busted down to possession on a plead bargain to pay $250 court costs and get the hell out of the state. hah

edit: oh yeah, a few oz. of weed too


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269477 - 09/21/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
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koraks said:
Quote:

Salomon said:
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)




Please show me the meth plant.

Don't bother with the horse semen though. I think I can picture that.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegalia_berlandieri




I did not know that! :raisemyglass:


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269506 - 09/21/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegalia_berlandieri




Wow, that's got everything!


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... *DELETED* [Re: micro]
    #22269548 - 09/21/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: stevo]
    #22269579 - 09/21/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I do understand from that wiki page that the finding of many of those alkaloids may have been the result of contamination. Fucking lab rats spilling their meth all over the place again.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #22269580 - 09/21/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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MysticMoteToter said:
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Salomon said:
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koraks said:
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MysticMoteToter said:
thats found naturally..



Yeah alright, but this here is a pretty weak argument.



tobacco- grown naturally
cocaine- grown naturally and extracted
meth- grown naturally, (probably not what you're smoking, but this is a fact)
alcohol- grown naturally via yeast excrement
opiates- grown naturally
sclopamine- grown naturally
horse semen- grown naturally
coffee- grown naturally.




Cocaine must be further processed from cocoa leaf to make it cocaine...it also requires the use of tone of chemicals to do it, same with everything on there aside from horse semen, coffee and some tobaccos (even though most tobacco is seriously processed to the point where conventional cigs shouldnt even be considered tobacco. Even scopalmine* needs to be extracted from the datura plant to be strong enough to not have to eat a shit ton of seeds. You are either extremely unable to get the concept of what a natural drugs is. i.e. it grows from the ground and is ready as is or you're a very bad troll.





extracting cocaine is just as easy as extracting dmt. and yea, you need acids, bases, and solvents.. thats why i used the word, EXTRACTED.:burke: meth can be extracted from tree bark just the same as dmt or coke.it was produced by a plant, i'm just separating it from the rest of the plant matter. and if you're not retarded at drugs, you can end up with a drug naturally produced with barely any of the associated chemicals in it, like for example BHO from weed. it's all the same shit

i smoke cigarettes that i grew in my backyard, :burke:

datura needs not to be extracted to experience sclopamine, like you said yourself, just eat a handful of seeds, lol to be strong enough with out extracting, give me a fucking break, crack open a seed pod and munch away, then tell me you need to extract.

coffee dosent need anything done to it aside from some roasting for flavour, you can brew green beans.

and alcohol, i can throw grapes in a jug for a few months with some micro-orgasms and boom alcohol.



all natural, you're just a wook :wook:


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks]
    #22269591 - 09/21/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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stevo said:
Yea why does all the cool shit grow in mexico?



and texas:awesome:


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koraks said:
I do understand from that wiki page that the finding of many of those alkaloids may have been the result of contamination. Fucking lab rats spilling their meth all over the place again.





i was thinking, like maybe they happened to pick a tree where somebody had recently dumped a gallon of meth? lol only one way to find out


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269593 - 09/21/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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i can throw grapes in a jug for a few months with some micro-orgasms and boom alcohol.



More like, boom, moldy vinegar.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: koraks]
    #22269608 - 09/21/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

fine mr fussy britches, some cane sugar, water, and yeast


. i'm not a wine maker:ashamed:


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269633 - 09/21/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon] * 1
    #22269750 - 09/21/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)







extracting cocaine is just as easy as extracting dmt. and yea, you need acids, bases, and solvents.. thats why i used the word, EXTRACTED.:burke: meth can be extracted from tree bark just the same as dmt or coke.it was produced by a plant, i'm just separating it from the rest of the plant matter. and if you're not retarded at drugs, you can end up with a drug naturally produced with barely any of the associated chemicals in it, like for example BHO from weed. it's all the same shit

i smoke cigarettes that i grew in my backyard, :burke:

datura needs not to be extracted to experience sclopamine, like you said yourself, just eat a handful of seeds, lol to be strong enough with out extracting, give me a fucking break, crack open a seed pod and munch away, then tell me you need to extract.

coffee dosent need anything done to it aside from some roasting for flavour, you can brew green beans.

and alcohol, i can throw grapes in a jug for a few months with some micro-orgasms and boom alcohol.



all natural, you're just a wook :wook:




hey buddy, hey smart guy.... ALL NATURAL does not mean DERIVED FROM NATURE, Natural means you find it in nature and in the form it is found it is able to be used as is. You're so smaht budd under your assumption of whats natural cesium-137 is natural because it comes from nuclear radiation which is a naturally occurring phenomenon.


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Re: We americans live in a society where marijuana/mushrooms/acid/DMT, are worse than meth & coke...... [Re: Salomon]
    #22269762 - 09/21/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Salomon said:
meth can be extracted from tree bark just the same as dmt or coke.




I dunno... It said "trace amounts" and there were a lot of different alkaloids so you might have a hard time.


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